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Post by Derbymanc on Sat 11 Jun 2016, 10:15 am

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Hopefully it will stop the arguments about Gib and we can tell Spain to pee off

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:05 pm

Top... I know where Europe is going. And it's not a nice place. But you keep talking about tax, banks, employment opportunities and trade and enjoy the Remain win. It was a good game but the Remain side scored more goals.
I'll worry about the other silly stuff.... the long term view that seems to evade the accountants and bankers on this Thread.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:08 pm

The long term view which you hold that's found almost zero credible support in the entire world and is totally lacking in basis, fact or rationality.

"Vote Leave or we'll be forced to take the Euro, you know, the thing we already refused to take and were proven right not to do so".

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:08 pm

FT Poll of Polls (20 June 2016):

Leave - 44%

Remain - 44%

Squeaky bum time.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:12 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:The long term view which you hold that's found almost zero credible support in the entire world and is totally lacking in basis, fact or rationality.

"Vote Leave or we'll be forced to take the Euro, you know, the thing we already refused to take and were proven right not to do so".

How can a Long term view be proven to have zero credibility?

As regard the 'Euro' - that's small change and not worth a thought. Europe is going to darker places than that.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:16 pm

SecretFly wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:The long term view which you hold that's found almost zero credible support in the entire world and is totally lacking in basis, fact or rationality.

"Vote Leave or we'll be forced to take the Euro, you know, the thing we already refused to take and were proven right not to do so".

How can a Long term view be proven to have zero credibility?

As regard the 'Euro' - that's small change and not worth a thought.  Europe is going to darker places than that.
I assume you mean immigration?

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Post by Hero on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:17 pm

The other side of the moon?

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Post by Guest on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:21 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Russell Brand strikes again......... Rolling Eyes


Depressing to see Leave poll leads given what utter nincompoops it's supporters make themselves look whenever they open their mouths....

Because the Remain supporters have all engaged in intelligent, reasonable, discussion?

Not neccessarily, but they're also not the mad kooks like Secretfly and that other muppet on here who kept on making up imaginery things that weren't even being discussed.

Fly's prediction of a future federal Europe are not those of 'a mad kook'.

Take a look at the result of some recent polls:

According to Eurobarometer (2013), 69% of EU citizens are in favour of direct elections of the President of the European Commission; 46% support the creation of a united EU army.[22]
Two thirds of respondents think that the EU (instead of a national government alone), should make decisions on foreign policy. More than half of respondents think that the EU should also make decisions on defense.[23]
44% of respondents support the future development of the European Union as a federation of nation states, 35% are opposed. The Nordic Countries were the most negative of a united Europe in this study. 73% of the Nordics opposed the idea. [24] A large majority of the people for whom the EU conjures up a positive image support the further development of the EU into a federation of nation states (56% versus 27%).[24] FederalEurope

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:25 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:The long term view which you hold that's found almost zero credible support in the entire world and is totally lacking in basis, fact or rationality.

"Vote Leave or we'll be forced to take the Euro, you know, the thing we already refused to take and were proven right not to do so".

How can a Long term view be proven to have zero credibility?

As regard the 'Euro' - that's small change and not worth a thought.  Europe is going to darker places than that.
I assume you mean immigration?

No. You see there is the other shallow blip word used by both camps to avoid thinking of the future. If the EU doesn't change pace and focus; if it keeps travelling down the same road, oblivious to all the voices of concern throughout Europe, then it'll break up in less peaceful ways than a Referendum or two. Europe will break up - one way or another. A referendum is actually a nice way to say 'Bye'. But so be it. I guess none of us can stop the future.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:26 pm

Except we've already contracted out of 'ever greater union' and all that balls. And we said no to the Euro before and can/will again. Ditto EU army.

As was pointed out previously, you have a very bizarre approach, say you're a remaining but then accept as fact all the arguments presented by the Leavers..... Headscratch

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:27 pm

Not the ramblings of a "mad kook", but never going to happen. You'd need the unanimous support of participants to go down that road, and as well as the Nordic states I cannot see the UK ever agreeing to such proposals (and we would have to in order to participate).

Talk of an EU army and a Federal United States of Europe is irresponsible scaremongering from the Project Fear department at Leave HQ.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:31 pm

SecretFly wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:The long term view which you hold that's found almost zero credible support in the entire world and is totally lacking in basis, fact or rationality.

"Vote Leave or we'll be forced to take the Euro, you know, the thing we already refused to take and were proven right not to do so".

How can a Long term view be proven to have zero credibility?

As regard the 'Euro' - that's small change and not worth a thought.  Europe is going to darker places than that.
I assume you mean immigration?

No.  You see there is the other shallow blip word used by both camps to avoid thinking of the future.  If the EU doesn't change pace and focus; if it keeps travelling down the same road, oblivious to all the voices of concern throughout Europe, then it'll break up in less peaceful ways than a Referendum or two.  Europe will break up - one way or another.  A referendum is actually a nice way to say 'Bye'.  But so be it.  I guess none of us can stop the future.


Sorry, I don't follow. What do you mean by "Europe is going to darker places"? What exactly is it you are predicting - are you suggesting that there will be another war in Europe? What do you think will be the catalyst for that?

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:42 pm

Don't indulge Mr Brand....

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Post by temporary21 on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:42 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-coxs-death-take-country-8214995

I'm sorry if this has been posted already or you've read it. I think it's an article worth reading though

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Post by Guest on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:43 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Except we've already contracted out of 'ever greater union' and all that balls.  And we said no to the Euro before and can/will again.  Ditto EU army.

As was pointed out previously, you have a very bizarre approach, say you're a remaining but then accept as fact all the arguments presented by the Leavers..... Headscratch

Indeed, at present we are contracted out of 'ever greater union', but so what? It may well be that a future British electorate and a future British Government may view a 'greater union' with EU as best serving its interests. Even if that were not to happen, a more federal Europe may evolve regardless the level of UK integration.

It would be folly to brush aside the notion of a federal Europe. It isn't unreasonable.

My approach isn't at all bizarre. I think for myself rather than follow the crowd. I have clearly expressed some of my thoughts on the debate. My only reason for supporting UK in the EU is I believe it is in the UK's best interests to do so, economically, at present. It's a risk, but a lesser risk than going it alone, in my opinion.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 2:54 pm

Munchkin wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Except we've already contracted out of 'ever greater union' and all that balls.  And we said no to the Euro before and can/will again.  Ditto EU army.

As was pointed out previously, you have a very bizarre approach, say you're a remaining but then accept as fact all the arguments presented by the Leavers..... Headscratch

Indeed, at present we are contracted out of 'ever greater union', but so what? It may well be that a future British electorate and a future British Government may view a 'greater union' with EU as best serving its interests. Even if that were not to happen, a more federal Europe may evolve regardless the level of UK integration.

It would be folly to brush aside the notion of a federal Europe. It isn't unreasonable.

I wouldn't brush it aside, but rather make the point that the UK would never need to be a part of it unless it chose to be. It's why it isn't a "risk" if we vote Remain or vote Leave at this referendum.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 3:08 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Don't indulge Mr Brand....

Why?

Afraid of a lil ol' opinion, Top?

The pen is mightier... huh? Cool

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Post by Guest on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 3:35 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Except we've already contracted out of 'ever greater union' and all that balls.  And we said no to the Euro before and can/will again.  Ditto EU army.

As was pointed out previously, you have a very bizarre approach, say you're a remaining but then accept as fact all the arguments presented by the Leavers..... Headscratch

Indeed, at present we are contracted out of 'ever greater union', but so what? It may well be that a future British electorate and a future British Government may view a 'greater union' with EU as best serving its interests. Even if that were not to happen, a more federal Europe may evolve regardless the level of UK integration.

It would be folly to brush aside the notion of a federal Europe. It isn't unreasonable.

I wouldn't brush it aside, but rather make the point that the UK would never need to be a part of it unless it chose to be. It's why it isn't a "risk" if we vote Remain or vote Leave at this referendum.

Sorry, the risk I was referring to was really an economic risk. I wasn't clear at all.

The bit in bold is the bit I did mention. As the poll I provided demonstrates, there are plenty within Europe who would support a federal Europe. That the majority within the UK would support a federal Europe, at some point in the future, wouldn't surprise me. Something else to consider is when does a choice become less of a choice? EU laws may change, economic pressures may dictate, that leaving the EU is really not much of an option. We may not be in full control of our own destiny.

For now, I'm trusting that the UK has an adequate exit strategy.

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Post by Coxy001 on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 3:42 pm

Munchkin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Except we've already contracted out of 'ever greater union' and all that balls.  And we said no to the Euro before and can/will again.  Ditto EU army.

As was pointed out previously, you have a very bizarre approach, say you're a remaining but then accept as fact all the arguments presented by the Leavers..... Headscratch

Indeed, at present we are contracted out of 'ever greater union', but so what? It may well be that a future British electorate and a future British Government may view a 'greater union' with EU as best serving its interests. Even if that were not to happen, a more federal Europe may evolve regardless the level of UK integration.

It would be folly to brush aside the notion of a federal Europe. It isn't unreasonable.

I wouldn't brush it aside, but rather make the point that the UK would never need to be a part of it unless it chose to be. It's why it isn't a "risk" if we vote Remain or vote Leave at this referendum.

Sorry, the risk I was referring to was really an economic risk. I wasn't clear at all.

The bit in bold is the bit I did mention. As the poll I provided demonstrates, there are plenty within Europe who would support a federal Europe. That the majority within the UK would support a federal Europe, at some point in the future, wouldn't surprise me. Something else to consider is when does a choice become less of a choice? EU laws may change, economic pressures may dictate, that leaving the EU is really not much of an option. We may not be in full control of our own destiny.

For now, I'm trusting that the UK has an adequate exit strategy.

Do you mean Boris "I'm only campaigning for leave so I can be the next PM" Johnson and his motley crew having a set in stone exit strategy?

They haven't got one. It's all based on make believe assumptions.

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Post by Guest on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 3:51 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Except we've already contracted out of 'ever greater union' and all that balls.  And we said no to the Euro before and can/will again.  Ditto EU army.

As was pointed out previously, you have a very bizarre approach, say you're a remaining but then accept as fact all the arguments presented by the Leavers..... Headscratch

Indeed, at present we are contracted out of 'ever greater union', but so what? It may well be that a future British electorate and a future British Government may view a 'greater union' with EU as best serving its interests. Even if that were not to happen, a more federal Europe may evolve regardless the level of UK integration.

It would be folly to brush aside the notion of a federal Europe. It isn't unreasonable.

I wouldn't brush it aside, but rather make the point that the UK would never need to be a part of it unless it chose to be. It's why it isn't a "risk" if we vote Remain or vote Leave at this referendum.

Sorry, the risk I was referring to was really an economic risk. I wasn't clear at all.

The bit in bold is the bit I did mention. As the poll I provided demonstrates, there are plenty within Europe who would support a federal Europe. That the majority within the UK would support a federal Europe, at some point in the future, wouldn't surprise me. Something else to consider is when does a choice become less of a choice? EU laws may change, economic pressures may dictate, that leaving the EU is really not much of an option. We may not be in full control of our own destiny.

For now, I'm trusting that the UK has an adequate exit strategy.

Do you mean Boris "I'm only campaigning for leave so I can be the next PM" Johnson and his motley crew having a set in stone exit strategy?

They haven't got one. It's all based on make believe assumptions.

Obviously not. I mean the present Governments strategy should we remain within the EU.

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Post by Coxy001 on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 4:36 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Except we've already contracted out of 'ever greater union' and all that balls.  And we said no to the Euro before and can/will again.  Ditto EU army.

As was pointed out previously, you have a very bizarre approach, say you're a remaining but then accept as fact all the arguments presented by the Leavers..... Headscratch

Indeed, at present we are contracted out of 'ever greater union', but so what? It may well be that a future British electorate and a future British Government may view a 'greater union' with EU as best serving its interests. Even if that were not to happen, a more federal Europe may evolve regardless the level of UK integration.

It would be folly to brush aside the notion of a federal Europe. It isn't unreasonable.

I wouldn't brush it aside, but rather make the point that the UK would never need to be a part of it unless it chose to be. It's why it isn't a "risk" if we vote Remain or vote Leave at this referendum.

Sorry, the risk I was referring to was really an economic risk. I wasn't clear at all.

The bit in bold is the bit I did mention. As the poll I provided demonstrates, there are plenty within Europe who would support a federal Europe. That the majority within the UK would support a federal Europe, at some point in the future, wouldn't surprise me. Something else to consider is when does a choice become less of a choice? EU laws may change, economic pressures may dictate, that leaving the EU is really not much of an option. We may not be in full control of our own destiny.

For now, I'm trusting that the UK has an adequate exit strategy.

Do you mean Boris "I'm only campaigning for leave so I can be the next PM" Johnson and his motley crew having a set in stone exit strategy?

They haven't got one. It's all based on make believe assumptions.

Obviously not. I mean the present Governments strategy should we remain within the EU.

They got a couple of half decent wins from the negotiations? And we have the status quo i.e. not joining the Euro, having that magical thing called a Veto and we're exempt from this ever closer union nonsense?

Yes, strategy is there.

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Post by Guest on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 4:39 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Except we've already contracted out of 'ever greater union' and all that balls.  And we said no to the Euro before and can/will again.  Ditto EU army.

As was pointed out previously, you have a very bizarre approach, say you're a remaining but then accept as fact all the arguments presented by the Leavers..... Headscratch

Indeed, at present we are contracted out of 'ever greater union', but so what? It may well be that a future British electorate and a future British Government may view a 'greater union' with EU as best serving its interests. Even if that were not to happen, a more federal Europe may evolve regardless the level of UK integration.

It would be folly to brush aside the notion of a federal Europe. It isn't unreasonable.

I wouldn't brush it aside, but rather make the point that the UK would never need to be a part of it unless it chose to be. It's why it isn't a "risk" if we vote Remain or vote Leave at this referendum.

Sorry, the risk I was referring to was really an economic risk. I wasn't clear at all.

The bit in bold is the bit I did mention. As the poll I provided demonstrates, there are plenty within Europe who would support a federal Europe. That the majority within the UK would support a federal Europe, at some point in the future, wouldn't surprise me. Something else to consider is when does a choice become less of a choice? EU laws may change, economic pressures may dictate, that leaving the EU is really not much of an option. We may not be in full control of our own destiny.

For now, I'm trusting that the UK has an adequate exit strategy.

Do you mean Boris "I'm only campaigning for leave so I can be the next PM" Johnson and his motley crew having a set in stone exit strategy?

They haven't got one. It's all based on make believe assumptions.

Obviously not. I mean the present Governments strategy should we remain within the EU.

They got a couple of half decent wins from the negotiations? And we have the status quo i.e. not joining the Euro, having that magical thing called a Veto and we're exempt from this ever closer union nonsense?

Yes, strategy is there.

Yes, I know the strategy is there....

The irony is that if I completely believed Remains doom and gloom about an exit, I wouldn't trust that the exit strategy was adequate. If the EU believes the Remain camps rhetoric it puts the UK in a weak negotiating position, which would also make closer integration more difficult to avoid.

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Post by Guest on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 4:53 pm

Coxy, which 'half decent wins' are you referring to?

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Post by Guest on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 8:52 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
TJ wrote:Well yorkshire has to put up with decisions from westminster they do not like and made by a government they have not voted for and that is a government with a minority of the vote - unlike the EU which is fully representative of all the countries in it.

Not proportionately though, is it?

The UK's level of representation is pretty miniscule relative to it's size (demographically, geographically, economically and politically [not sure how many of those words I've spelt right!]).

All of them are correct expect for "it's".

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Post by ShahenshahG on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 9:07 pm

emancipator wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
TJ wrote:Well yorkshire has to put up with decisions from westminster they do not like and made by a government they have not voted for and that is a government with a minority of the vote - unlike the EU which is fully representative of all the countries in it.

Not proportionately though, is it?

The UK's level of representation is pretty miniscule relative to it's size (demographically, geographically, economically and politically [not sure how many of those words I've spelt right!]).

All of them are correct expect for "it's".

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 10:08 pm

Surprisingly, ORB have had a swing to Leave, with Remain now ahead by a margin of 49-47, instead of the last poll which had a 5 point Remain lead.

With YouGov's random generator, Leave are once again in the lead by a 44-42 margin.

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Post by Fernando on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 11:31 pm

It's a bunch of crap Dooty, Not a hope in hell leave wins after Jo Cox was killed.

It sounds harsh but a lot of people who were undecided probably have now seen a right wing loonie and will go the opposite.

Id be genuinely amazed if Leave get more then 37.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 20 Jun 2016, 11:47 pm

Fernando wrote:It's a bunch of crap Dooty, Not a hope in hell leave wins after Jo Cox was killed.

It sounds harsh but a lot of people who were undecided probably have now seen a right wing loonie and will go the opposite.  

Id be genuinely amazed if Leave get more then 37.

I believe the same, sire. 

Don't think Leave will do that badly, however, maybe a 55-45 margin to Remain is more realistic.

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Post by Coxy001 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 9:22 am

Why did you put a big bet on it then?

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 9:44 am

Duty281 wrote:Surprisingly, ORB have had a swing to Leave, with Remain now ahead by a margin of 49-47, instead of the last poll which had a 5 point Remain lead.

With YouGov's random generator, Leave are once again in the lead by a 44-42 margin.

As others have said, you're so full of sh!te it's incredible.

"ORB’s poll is reported in the Telegraph as showing Remain “surging back into the lead” with figures of Remain 53%(+5), Leave 46%(-3). These figures are based on only those certain to vote however, and ORB have previously suggested that they regard their figures for all voters as their primary measure. On those figures the movement is in the other direction – REMAIN 49%(nc), LEAVE 47%(+3)."

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 9:46 am

Coxy001 wrote:Why did you put a big bet on it then?

So that when he loses he can blame it all on a freak event like Jo Cox assassination and say that the referendum result still doesn't reflect the wants or desires of the majority of the British public/population....

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Post by ShahenshahG on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 9:52 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEUjx2cPyaY

Nice little snack for you Toppy, between breakfast and brunch.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 9:57 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Surprisingly, ORB have had a swing to Leave, with Remain now ahead by a margin of 49-47, instead of the last poll which had a 5 point Remain lead.

With YouGov's random generator, Leave are once again in the lead by a 44-42 margin.

As others have said, you're so full of sh!te it's incredible.

"ORB’s poll is reported in the Telegraph as showing Remain “surging back into the lead” with figures of Remain 53%(+5), Leave 46%(-3). These figures are based on only those certain to vote however, and ORB have previously suggested that they regard their figures for all voters as their primary measure. On those figures the movement is in the other direction – REMAIN 49%(nc), LEAVE 47%(+3)."

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Yes, 49-47 is the correct margin...

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:00 am

The one you want is always going to be "the correct margin".

Where were you when the FTSE and Sterling were rebounding on the news of poll reversals and big swings in the betting markets towards Remain??

There was a lot of posting since Friday but I seemed to miss your hourly polling updates.......

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:10 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:The one you want is always going to be "the correct margin".

Where were you when the FTSE and Sterling were rebounding on the news of poll reversals and big swings in the betting markets towards Remain??

There was a lot of posting since Friday but I seemed to miss your hourly polling updates.......

Well, the results of the poll is 49-47 Remain, that is indeed the correct margin.

And I posted these on Saturday, if you're interested:

Duty281 wrote:The YouGov swing-a-thon continues.

EU referendum poll:
Remain: 42% (+3)
Leave: 44% (-2)
(via YouGov, online / 15 - 16 Jun)


And, with very little surprise, the scores with Survation swap around.

EU referendum poll:
Remain: 45% (+3)
Leave: 42% (-3)
(via Survation, phone / 17 - 18 Jun)

Duty281 wrote:EU referendum poll:
Remain: 45% (-4)
Leave: 55% (+4)
(via BMG, online / 10 - 15 Jun)
Excluding DKs.


EU referendum poll:
Remain: 53%
Leave: 47%
(via BMG, phone / 10 - 15 Jun)
Excluding DKs.


Online poll shows an extension of the lead for Leave, but a phone poll (the first by this company) shows Remain with an advantage.

So the real answer probably lies in the middle! Wink

There hasn't been a great deal of polling since Friday, but I do believe I've posted all four that have been conducted (except for one which had Leave in the lead by 20 points, as it comes from an unverified polling company).

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:36 am

Coxy001 wrote:Why did you put a big bet on it then?

a) It isn't a big bet.
b) I thought Leave would win when I placed the bet (nearly two months ago), but that has since changed.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:40 am

Duty281 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Why did you put a big bet on it then?

a) It isn't a big bet.
b) I thought Leave would win when I placed the bet (nearly two months ago), but that has since changed.

THEY SEE ME ROLLIN', THEY HATIN'............

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:43 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Why did you put a big bet on it then?

a) It isn't a big bet.
b) I thought Leave would win when I placed the bet (nearly two months ago), but that has since changed.

THEY SEE ME ROLLIN', THEY HATIN'............

Top 2%.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:44 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:Why did you put a big bet on it then?

a) It isn't a big bet.
b) I thought Leave would win when I placed the bet (nearly two months ago), but that has since changed.

THEY SEE ME ROLLIN', THEY HATIN'............

It's a moderate-sized bet, my dear fellow. We're not talking £5,000 and up here, which would be a substantial sum.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:48 am

All part of the story, I know, I know....

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:49 am

The Energy is draining from this one. When the clients start talking about the betting shops you know topic fatigue has set in.
Take a bow everyone. The most placid and respectful and wise debate ever conducted on 606.....

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 10:51 am

SecretFly wrote:The Energy is draining from this one.  When the clients start talking about the betting shops you know topic fatigue has set in.
Take a bow everyone.  The most placid and respectful and wise debate ever conducted on 606.....

I think everything has been said; now we're just waiting for Friday morning*.

*I won't be here on Friday morning, whatever the outcome, so no accusing me of sour grapes and such like!

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 11:05 am

Well it turns out I can't vote. I'm registered to vote in person, and I'm out bright and early every Thursday morning until the evening ends. There's just no time for me to go back to the area where my mother lives (where I'm registered) and vote. Silly me.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 12:07 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Fernando wrote:It's a bunch of crap Dooty, Not a hope in hell leave wins after Jo Cox was killed.

It sounds harsh but a lot of people who were undecided probably have now seen a right wing loonie and will go the opposite.  

Id be genuinely amazed if Leave get more then 37.

I believe the same, sire. 

Don't think Leave will do that badly, however, maybe a 55-45 margin to Remain is more realistic.
I called that weeks ago. Same as the Scottish ref.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 12:10 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Well it turns out I can't vote. I'm registered to vote in person, and I'm out bright and early every Thursday morning until the evening ends. There's just no time for me to go back to the area where my mother lives (where I'm registered) and vote. Silly me.


Pity, I'd have happily been your proxy as well......REMAIN!

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 12:24 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Fernando wrote:It's a bunch of crap Dooty, Not a hope in hell leave wins after Jo Cox was killed.

It sounds harsh but a lot of people who were undecided probably have now seen a right wing loonie and will go the opposite.  

Id be genuinely amazed if Leave get more then 37.

I believe the same, sire. 

Don't think Leave will do that badly, however, maybe a 55-45 margin to Remain is more realistic.
I called that weeks ago. Same as the Scottish ref.

Yes, but I changed my mind based on the cowardly killing of Jo Cox.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 12:27 pm

I'm not convinced the killing of Jo Cox will change the outcome, perhaps a % or two on the margin of victory for Remain.

I know it shows a lack of free will to listen to experts on the subject, but George Soros' comments today are, in my view, worth reading. When it comes to understanding currencies and markets, he's usually on the money.

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Post by Hero on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 12:33 pm

Nissan is taking legal action against the official pro-Brexit campaign, Vote Leave, after it used the car brand's logo on a leaflet calling on voters to ditch the EU in Thursday's referendum.

The Nissan logo appeared next to those of other companies, including Unilever and Vauxhall, with the text: "Major employers … have all said they’ll stay in the UK whatever the result of the referendum."

Nissan is a declared supporter of the Remain campaign. It said yesterday it was initiating proceedings to prevent Vote Leave using its name or logo and from "making any further false statements and misrepresentations concerning Nissan."

Nissan chairman and chief executive, Carlos Ghosn, said in February: "Our preference as a business is, of course, that the UK stays within Europe – it makes the most sense for jobs, trade and costs. For us, a position of stability is more positive than a collection of unknowns."

The move by Nissan follows a public rebuke for Vote Leave from the UK’s statistics watchdog last month, over claims that EU membership costs the UK £50m a day – a figure that does not take into account the rebate, or any of money spent by the EU in the UK.

Sir Andrew Dilnot, chair of the UK Statistics Authority, said he was disappointed the campaign was continuing to make the claim, saying it was "misleading and undermines trust in official statistics".


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Post by temporary21 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 12:36 pm

I thino that would be a horrible legacy of the vote though. People only stayed because a woman's murder was dragged into it before she was even cold

I do hope that doesn't change anything, it really shouldnt

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 12:36 pm

Did George Soros suffer when the last big World Economic downturn happened?

Or did he profit?

We do realise that these big Investors and 'money' professionals are quite similar to Art Dealers.... they not only want to talk about 'good' art, they want to promote art down the avenue they've wisely pre-invested in. And thus we often get grey paint on a disused old red brick, lying in the middle of a billion dollar Art Gallery and worth 40 million bucks.

Soros isn't any more neutral than Duty is.




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Post by temporary21 on Tue 21 Jun 2016, 12:37 pm

Did Nissan say they would stay regardless of the result? If they did then the poster is correct and they may well have a fight with that one

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