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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:21 pm

The England Saxons:

15 Mike Haley
14 Semesa Rokoduguni
13 Nick Tompkins (Saracens)
12 Oliver Devoto
11 Christian Wade
10 Danny Cipriani
9 Dan Robson

1 Alec Hepburn (Exeter)
2 Tommy Taylor
3 Kieran Brookes
4 Dave Attwood (c)
5 Charlie Ewels
6 Dave Ewers
7 Matthew Kvesic
8 Donovan Armand.

Replacements: 16 George McGuigan, 17 Ross Harrison, 18 Jake Cooper-Woolley, 19 Mitch Lees, 20 Sam Jones, 21 Michael Young, 22 Sam Hill (Exeter), 23 Sam James.


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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:24 pm

England have been under the cosh for the whole opening 10 minutes.

SA missed penalties and have just missed a conversion, so we are fortunate to be only 5-0 down.

Robson did make one break well into the SA half but no-one went with him and the counter attack took the boks back up to our try line. We lost a lineout and they scored.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:26 pm

In an eventful opening, our prop Hepburn had a kick charged down.

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Post by Cumbrian on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:27 pm

Is it really impossible to get a neutral referee? Taken without the ball going for the line yet no yellow card...
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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:28 pm

Commentators just said full back Mike Haley dislocated his shoulder.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:38 pm

I think it's fair to predict that decisions aren't likely to go our way for the rest of the match either.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:40 pm

The best thing to say for England so far is that we are only 5-0 behind, after having so little possession and field position.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:42 pm

Scrum penalty to England, and Cipriani gets us on the board. 5-3.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:45 pm

We fumbled the restart, and someone palyed it in an offside position. Boks A turned down going at goal and tried a lineout move. Kvesic breakdown steal saved our bacon momentarily.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:49 pm

That'sout of the blue.

Wade took the ball in open play and ran it back, eventually forcing the Bok last man to field his grubber into touch.

From the resulting lineout,we got a good maul going and Taylor scored a try. No extras for Cipriani but we now lead 5-8

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 6:53 pm

On the stroke of half-time, South Africa put together a good move which ends in a try near the posts.

We go in 12-8 down.

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Post by Cumbrian on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:00 pm

Saxons have been incredibly inaccurate and should be further behind. Spent a long time without the ball. Still in the game though and look dangerous on the break. Such a shame about Haley.
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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:11 pm

SA strike early and we are 19-8 down. That's a costly few minutes either side of half time.

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Post by Cumbrian on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:14 pm

England not come out of the shed after the oranges.
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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:15 pm

Disaster. Pass to Wade is behind him and SA kick ahead to score another try.

26-8

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:16 pm

This game looks lost but these players will need to put in a good finish to show they are worth another look.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:17 pm

We get a quick reply through another maul, and a second try for Taylor.

26-15

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:26 pm

And it gets worse. They have been terrible and SA far more precise.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:27 pm

Bit of luck went our way there. SA scored but the linesman had ruled a player in touch before he passed. He wasn't.

The TMO pointed out it was a bad call, and the ref said the try might stand. Attwood complained, pointing out the whistle had gone. Ref agreed, and we got our lineout. And the passage ends in another mauling try.

It's 26-22


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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:29 pm

There's over 20 minutes left.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:36 pm

Chances and turnovers for both sides.

We had another good attacking lineout but Taylor stopped his throw to complain and he gave away a freekick.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:40 pm

Lots of possession for England but well held out by SA, and driven back down the field.

Michael Young is on....


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Post by Cumbrian on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:41 pm

Has Astwood got vaseline on his hands?!
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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:42 pm

We don't look like we have a way to break the SA defensive line except through an attacking maul.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:43 pm

10 minutes to go.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:45 pm

Ref told us to use it during a maul. We didn't believe him, and so we lost it.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:49 pm

Wade takes a pass and squeezes in at the corner. Back in the lead!

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:50 pm

Cipriani converst from out wide. 26-29 to the Saxons and 4 minutes left.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:51 pm

Silly by England. We had them pinned deep but gave away a ruck penalty.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:55 pm

We held on to win 26-29.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:56 pm

That was quite a game. Thought we'd thrown it away after South Africa scored three quick tries but we pulled ourselves together.

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Post by Cumbrian on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:56 pm

How have we won that?!?
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Post by Poorfour on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:59 pm

Scrappy performance by England today but I was very impressed by Wade. Defensively very solid against a muscular South Africa A, got stuck in to rucks, helped to force at least one turnover, scored a try and should have had another (or a penalty try).

I've been critical in the past but if he can keep that up he will deserve a shot in the senior side if an opportunity arises.
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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 7:59 pm

South Africa threw that away, really, by trying to play loose when they had no need to do so.

That disallowed try was a big turning point because we went on to score from that position.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:05 pm

Poorfour wrote:Scrappy performance by England today but I was very impressed by Wade. Defensively very solid against a muscular South Africa A, got stuck in to rucks, helped to force at least one turnover, scored a try and should have had another (or a penalty try).

I've been critical in the past but if he can keep that up he will deserve a shot in the senior side if an opportunity arises.

Yup defended v well, no contest against him in the air which will surely be another question but again easily the most threatening back. The fact it wasn't a pen try or yellow is the reason we now have neutral refs!

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:09 pm

Wade was busy, and did well with the opportunities he had. If anything, England tried too hard to get the ball to him, and gave away position and points when passes went astray.

When we were under the cosh early on, Roko had some nice carries out of trouble but was otherwise quiet.

Cipriani had a good game.

Ultimately, our forwards did the job with the maul. I thought Kvesic has scored from a maul but actually SA had messy possession near their line, and he pilfered it and went over for his try.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:11 pm

Good to hear we won.

Good to hear about Wade.

Ok I'm going to ask it.....did Kvesic make the impression he needed to, knowing he's against Clifford, Harrison, Haskell etc....

And was there any other players who you thought...yeah Jones will have seen something in him!?

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:15 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:...Ok I'm going to ask it.....did Kvesic make the impression he needed to, knowing he's against Clifford, Harrison, Haskell etc....
He made one crucial turnover (may have got others) but also got penalized. He took his try well.

We had to make a ridiculous number of tackles during the match, and I think all the forwards will have high counts.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:16 pm

Well that was a complete turnaround after they had seemingly lost it.

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Post by kingelderfield on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:47 pm

I really enjoyed that even though at times we played like the strangers they reasonably are, often trying to play to much and forcing passes.

It was good to see the players work out the way to win and come together as a side. There will be sore bodies on both sides and a few bevvies should be downed by way of compensation.

I was a little disappointed by Robson (did he take an early knock?) as he struggled to find the pass away from the ruck. It will be interesting to see how he and Cipriani develop their 9/10 relationship.

There will be couple of sore shoulders with both Haley and Rokoduguni leaving the field through injury, however ultimately it was the forwards who won it!

Finally I wonder if any of this squad will be called up to go across to Oz for game 3 - of course Wade will.......

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Post by Cumbrian on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:49 pm

Thought Kvesic was unlucky not to make more turnovers, there were a couple of occasions when the Saffa players were allowed to hold onto the ball on the floor for a ridiculously long time. He lloks streetwise at the breakdown.
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Post by Poorfour on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:56 pm

Kvesic was pretty good at the breakdown and carried better. Took his try well, too. I still don't think he did enough to displace the existing senior options, though.

Ewers looked industrious without really standing out
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 9:15 pm

Kvesic slipped off an early tackle incorrectly had a steal penalised leading to a SA try as he wasn' the tackler, pick of back rows for me.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 18 Jun 2016, 12:25 am

Rugby Fan wrote:Bit of luck went our way there. SA scored but the linesman had ruled a player in touch before he passed. He wasn't.

The TMO pointed out it was a bad call, and the ref said the try might stand. Attwood complained, pointing out the whistle had gone. Ref agreed, and we got our lineout. And the passage ends in another mauling try.

It's 26-22
Evened out the obvious forward pass at the start of the break down field that led to their first try ...

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 18 Jun 2016, 7:25 am

Completely missed this.

South African report says centre Lukhanyo Am was red carded for foul play in the build-up to Wade's try in the final minutes.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/sport/rugby/2016/06/17/South-Africa-A-slump-to-another-defeat-to-visiting-England-Saxons

Haven't seen that mentioned anywhere else, and didn't notice anything at the time.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 18 Jun 2016, 3:45 pm

I missed that too ...

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Sat 18 Jun 2016, 3:51 pm

Totally failed to notice that myself. The commentary must have missed it.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sat 18 Jun 2016, 7:42 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Totally failed to notice that myself.  The commentary must have missed it.
Well surprise, surprise.

I have rarely heard such bias commentary as that which I heard in the last couple of games.

I didn't realise, they have 4 pairs of commentators each commentating in a different language

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