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Post by Not grey and not a ghost on Thu 23 Jun 2016, 2:43 am

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New Zealand v Wales, 18 June

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NEW ZEALAND v WALES
25 June 2016
19:35 NZST (UTC+12)
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin

Live on [tbc]

Referee:  Jérôme Garcès
Touch judges: Jaco Peyper, Andrew Lees
Television match official: George Ayoub

A. Head to Head

32 Played 32
29 Won 3
0 Drawn 0
3 Lost 29
991 Points 350

B. Recent Form

18 June 2016 - Westpac Stadium, Wellington: 36-22 to New Zealand

11 June 2016 - Eden Park, Auckland: 39-21 to New Zealand

22 November 2014 - Millennium Stadium, Cardiff: 16 – 34 to New Zealand

24 November 2012 - Millennium Stadium, Cardiff: 10 – 33 to New Zealand

27 November 2010 - Millennium Stadium, Cardiff: 25 – 37 to New Zealand

26 June 2010 - Waikato Stadium, Hamilton: 29 – 10 to New Zealand

19 June 2010 - Carisbrook, Dunedin: 42 – 9 to New Zealand

7 November 2009 - Millennium Stadium, Cardiff: 12 – 19 to New Zealand

C. Teams

NEW ZEALAND

Israel Dagg; Ben Smith, George Moala, Ryan Crotty, Julian Savea,  Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith; Joe Moody, Dane Coles, Charlie Faumuina, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Elliot Dixon, Sam Cane, Kieran Read (capt).

Replacements: Codie Taylor, Wyatt Crockett, Ofa Tu'ungafasi,  Luke Romano,  Liam Squire, Tawera Kerr-Barlow,  Lima Sopoaga, Waisake Naholo.

WALES

Rhys Patchell, Liam Williams, Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, Hallam Amos, Dan Biggar, Rhys Webb, Rob Evans, Ken Owens, Tomas Francis, Luke Charteris, Alun Wyn Jones, Ross Moriarty, Sam Warburton (capt), Taulupe Faletau.

Replacements: Scott Baldwin, Aaron Jarvis, Samson Lee,  Jake Ball, Ellis Jenkins, Gareth Davies, Rhys Priestland, Scott Williams.

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Post by emack2 on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 7:57 am

NZ are not yet the finished side as 2015 obviously,BUT there individual
skill levels come from child hood up.
NZ have a very solid setpiece,they win and use all there own scrum ball
plus the best lineout in the game currently.
That means the kicking game to touch they will get possession there
kick down there throat they will kill you.
They play at a pace for as long as it takes the full whistle to whistle
there abillty to blitz you almost at the touch of a switch.
At the moment you have a lot of new players trying too hard to
impress.
Like England they will improve too ,to make 12 changes to a
squad,score 6 tries against a solid Wales side.
Was indications the conveyor belt is still working ,now they
want it for the whole game.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 8:27 am

You'll have to give credit where it's due soon enough emack. NZ aren't going to be the force they were. You could just change to support the winning side rather than try to justify supporting a team the other side of the world. And there is more than 1 version of there (their, they're)!

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Post by emack2 on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 9:11 am

Don`t put words into my mouth and your padantic nit picking of my
prose style again it`s boring.
England have indeed done very well how can you not admit it 100
percent win.
There are many ways to win you play to your strengths and expose
other sides weakness.
Who I choose support is my own business not yours,my knowledge
of Rugby History is vast including NH in Pre-Pro games.
Especially tours have a large but dated library by many top
authors of all nations.
There is of course no guarantee that this NZ side will equal
the 200 4-15 sides.
Post 2003 NZ lost a whole team ,2007 a whole squad they
adapted and moved on.
In 1998,and 2009 they struggled but within a year the
were competing again.
You watched all the 6Ns can you tell me most matches
were not decided by goal kickers.
Would you for example have say Laidlaw,Biggar,or
Farell but for there goal kicking.?
The England 10/12 was trialled by Lancaster,what happens
to Tuilagi a 12/13 with Slade,Farell to 10.
IRB ratings was predicated on RWC ratings NZ were 10
points clear[2015]
THIS NZ side has to prove itself worthy of them but they
have little chance to do it.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 9:16 am

Not criticising your prose, I'm criticising your inability to use more than one version of there!

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 9:19 am

And the constant little digs to validate you supporting NZ.

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Post by emack2 on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:05 am

Yes,fine now answer my questions you are so obviously an expert
on NH Rugby.
NH and SH are played at a different pace which suits the teams
therein.As to digs about my support its all you ever do to me
my support hasn't changed in 60years[and that was a team in
rebuilding too.]
Of the tier one Nations NZ are now the only team who picks
home based players[for obvious reasons]
It is a case of Country before club can you honestly say
that is true in the Premiership or top14.
How many non-English players are in the top 4 sides
Saracens?Leicester,Wasps,Exeter.or say Toulon,Racing92,
Toulouse.
Is the Pro 12 at the same level which effects the National side.?
NZ at ITM or Super level support the national side.
Many teams over the years have used inferior players for
there goal kicking abilities.
First rule always pick your best goalkicker first name on the
sheet.
In my opinion if you want a more fluid England backline you
need a better 9 than Ben Youngs.
A good running half back but not a great passing one Care is
better option.
The two five 8 NZ style is fine then what do you do with Daley
or Tuilagi?.
Do you think there is room for Cipriani or Ashton how many
especially forwards will be there come RWC2019?.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:17 am

England only pick home based players as well. Their when you associate with someone or a team in this case rather than there.

From your previous post I'd personally have Biggar and Farrell in the team somewhere yes they're quality players. That's the only question I see there?

Can't be bothered counting the non English qualified in the top 4 sides but it's on their websites. Don't follow Pro 12 closely enough to answer.

Robson will be close to selection shortly but Youngs and Care both look better from the bench.

Daly is a squad option at the moment and Tuilagi is injured. I currently wouldn't have Cipriani or Ashton in the squad presently.

What does 'how many especially forwards will be there come RWC2019' mean?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:22 am

bedfordwelsh wrote:
Shifty wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:Have the Welsh coaches run their course? It seems that things are a little stagnated and a bit of a coaching shake up might get things moving again. Wales seem a little predictable at present and they clearly have some good players so it's not lack of ability.

Is there some stand out Welsh coaches that could come in and freshen things like say Gustard has given the English defence some teeth. Could these new coaches be tested next summer with a view to more permanent positions should Gats get the Lions call again?

I think that myself, Wales are terrible and clearly in decline.  I think we need to replace McBryde, Howley, and Edwards and freshed things up.

We can all think what we want about the coaches but it doesn't matter one iota, they've all signed new deals until after 2019.

Depressing, isn't it?

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Post by Allty on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:27 am

Very

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Post by RiscaGame on Tue 28 Jun 2016, 9:56 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:And the constant little digs to validate you supporting NZ.

Just foe him. You will find a page reads a lot better then, because trying to read his posts or even scroll down them is a lot more graft than it should be.

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Post by RiscaGame on Tue 28 Jun 2016, 9:58 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
Shifty wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:Have the Welsh coaches run their course? It seems that things are a little stagnated and a bit of a coaching shake up might get things moving again. Wales seem a little predictable at present and they clearly have some good players so it's not lack of ability.

Is there some stand out Welsh coaches that could come in and freshen things like say Gustard has given the English defence some teeth. Could these new coaches be tested next summer with a view to more permanent positions should Gats get the Lions call again?

I think that myself, Wales are terrible and clearly in decline.  I think we need to replace McBryde, Howley, and Edwards and freshed things up.

We can all think what we want about the coaches but it doesn't matter one iota, they've all signed new deals until after 2019.

Depressing, isn't it?

It is very depressing. I can't believe any other team would reward such poor coaching performances for so long. It would be okay if we were winning ugly, but we aren't even doing that now.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 28 Jun 2016, 10:00 am

The game's moving on and we're not.

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