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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 2:49 am

1).Well done to Lt.William Hurley III, US Navy, Ret'd, for winning the Quickie Loans tournament. The personal tragedy he suffered 13 or 14 months ago is a matter of public record so no need to go into it here. But good for Billy for putting family first and turning down the Open Championship opportunity.

2).And, talking about watery matters, expect to see an aircraft carrier swooshing down the first fairway at The Greenbrier sometime soon. The place is awash with floodwaters but cancellation of the tournament certainly puts the PGA Tour and many of its players in a watery bind. I'm still wondering whether transferring the event to Turning Stone was a viable option - perhaps the Oneida Nation Indians turned the PGA Tour down?  

3).Top ten for Francesca Molinari last week and he's pretty much home and hosed as far as his card for next year is concerned. Decent result for Martin Laird but he still needs a few more like that to secure his place in the Barclays and PGA Tour ranks next season. The "Barracuda Championship" in Reno, Nevada, has been a happy hunting ground for the Laird in the past - more of the same and he's got a Tour job next year.

4).What an absolute c0ck-up the WGC people have made with the revised date for the "Bridgestone Invitational" (declined by so many). And the European Tour have compounded the stupidity by not recognising it as a European Tour event. Absolute b0ll0cks. Regardless, can't imagine Darren Clarke and his E.T. cronies will turn that much of a blind eye if Russell Knox, Soren Kjeldsen, Shane Lowry or some others wins the tyres but misses out on the automatic qualifying positions for Ryder Cup play.

5).And: Why didn't the European Tour bring influence to bear to hold the WGC the week after Troon? Perhaps they did but there is no European tournament scheduled and "Canada" would almost certainly have been happy with the revised  Bridgestone date (especially considering the extent to which their excellent tournament has been subsidised in the past). Bunch of egotistical idiots.

6).McIlroy, Lowry, Knox, Day . . . . . . . who will be the next non-American to win a WGC? Diminished field this week so Sunday is probably not going to reveal the answer. But there were many better solutions to the compressed Tour schedule conundrum than torpedoing France with the SS Bridgestone, which reverts back to its normal place on next year's Tour calendar.

7).Can't help but have a titter or two about the number of abdications from Olympic golf - perhaps it might have been better to post the WGC up against the Olympics? Zika this. (And the first LPGA Pro has done exactly that - first of many or just a Pacesetter?)

8).There's a proper tournament this week in Reno, Nevada, the Barracuda Championship. It has been suggested that Jhonny Vegas would be an appropriate winner but this (Montreux GC) is a good Nicklaus course and is worthy of Tour recognition. Unfortunately, the Tour's dumbfxck decision to pitch Bridgestone against France has resulted in a weaker field in Reno - a handful of Seniors doesn't help the tournament's credibility. Hoping for good weeks from Laird & Steele regardless.

9).Quite apart from all the tragedies of the floods in West Virginia (probably exacerbated by the likes of Greenbrier owner Jim Justice's coal mining exploits), losing the Greenbrier tournament reduces the opportunities for Tour members to ensure they're in the top 125 in FedEx points, qualify for The Barclays and keep their card for 16/17. Tournaments remaining are:
Bridgestone/Reno
Troon/Barbasol
Canada
PGA Travelers
Joohn Deere
Greensboro

10).Six weeks then for some good names to keep their cards. Omitting golfers who may have career-money exemptions coming, this lot are among those playing for their golfing careers:
John Senden
Lahiri
Molinari
Tringale
De Laet
Crane
Stallings
Chris Stroud
Martin Laird
Matt Jones
Jamie Donaldson
Overton
de Jonge
Morgan Hoffmann
Thomas Aiken
Owen
Davis
Allenby.
As happens every year, most of these will go to the web.com Finals, and some will fail to retrieve their card. Will they bounce back courtesy of sponsor invites, or perhaps good results on the web.com circuit? Or will they disappear from sight?? You'd think at least some of these still have good careers in front of them but their clock is ticking and the pressure is on. Perhaps some (Molinari, Donaldson, Aiken) have a safety net overseas but we'll be following others on Tour for the last time. An unforgiving business for so many below the very top level.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 11:58 am

Kwini wrote:What an absolute c0ck-up the WGC people have made with the revised date for the "Bridgestone Invitational"

I still think you are possibly being harsher than it warrants on this. The WGC field is hardly diminished at all with most of the top 50 still turning up, and if Rory had turned up most viewers probably wouldn't have thought anyone was missing. Although would have been somewhat funny if Gerry had trawled us and turned up the French and not the WGC.

An event somewhere was going to be disrupted by having the WGC put up against it so why not the French Open, an event most of us wouldn't normally have any interest in.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 12:10 pm

Mac,
See my note 5). above; it seems pretty clear that the WGC wilfully targetted the French Open instead of going for a date immediately following The Open when there is no European event.
And Pelley compounded the nonsense by not recognising the WGC. Wonder if he's awarding World RC points to the Barbasol?

Should be good weather thru'out the WGC action, tho' chance of storms Friday.
High heat in the West with Reno temps likely to reach 35C to 40C degrees.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 12:19 pm

Kwini

I doubt the PGAT management care about it but the biggest mistake they made with the re-schedule was putting it up against the Euro's on TV. Hard to imagine many people watching the WGC over the Euro Qf's.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 12:37 pm

Agreed, Wimbledon too.

Fact is, PGA Tour and US networks don't give a monkey's about Europe or the European Tour, and the European Tour doesn't give them any compelling reason to change that philosophy.

It also seems there's a concerted effort by the Tour and Olympic people to ensure a full complement of four players turn up at Rio - special meetings to review security, Zika, you name it. Ironically, one of NBC's lead personalities (not golf) is nixing Rio due to Zika fears and no publicity about that whatsoever. Fortunately we'll have footie back by then; and the John Deere Classic.

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Post by Shotrock on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 3:16 pm

Are there any other sports where potential participants are refusing to go because of the health risks?

I like the NBA players who simply state they don't want to go because ... well, they don't want to go!

Compelling US Olympic Swim Trials on TV this week.

I've been a timer in the pool when Katie Ledecky was racing (earlier this year) ... as close to a sure thing as the US Team has. A wonderful swimmer you will be hearing/reading about in Rio.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 3:26 pm

Sr,
I know there are some. TeJay van Garderen is the only American I can think of - but then road cycling is a bit like golf in that there is far more exposure to the elements than, say, synchronized diving.

Amazing timing Olympic-quality swimmers isn't it Sr? Been there, done that; quite the eye-opener for the local swimmers.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 5:38 pm

Berger's withdrawal after playing just one shot makes no sense at all unless he injured his shoulder on the range or making that first swing.
He's surely entitled to last place money if he's qualified but injured. By withdrawing, his appearance counts as a full tournament for owgr purposes, among other things.

Laird off to the good start he so badly needs in Reno.

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Post by GPB on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 5:57 pm

With 59 tournaments in his 2 yr resume, the added tournament in his resume is not as bad for his OWGR ranking as it would be for someone like Rory who has 44 tournaments in resume.

Maybe Berger should stay away from WGC's as he hurt himself in the matchplay when he was stymied against a stone wall.

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Post by GPB on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 8:41 pm

According to this ESPN article, Berger got $50,500 for hitting the one shot.

If he had WDed before hitting the shot, the $50,500 would have gone to his favorite charity.

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/16648675/one-swing-nets-daniel-berger-50500-wgc-bridgestone-invitational

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Post by EmmDee57 on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 9:24 pm

Great start from Laird in Reno

He must be listening to you Kwini!!

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 9:32 pm

Oops, I see that Koepka has gone the Berger route, except humoured the sponsor just a little bit more - you'd think all these Americans baling out early that the PGA Tour would do the right thing and not count it as a tournament either . . . . . Rolling Eyes


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Laird has only played Reno three times, 4th, 2nd, 6th. Not a bad record. 21st last week and hopefully we'll have something much better than that this week.

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Post by Shotrock on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 9:36 pm

Kwin - What does being an American have to do with that potential -- but not likely -- decision?


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Post by McLaren on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 10:02 pm

Kwini

Even with those WD's the strength of field the winner beats will be very high. So why would you make it a non counting event?
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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 10:03 pm

GPB wrote:According to this ESPN article, Berger got $50,500 for hitting the one shot.

If he had WDed before hitting the shot, the $50,500 would have gone to his favorite charity.

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/16648675/one-swing-nets-daniel-berger-50500-wgc-bridgestone-invitational

The cynic in me says it probably did...

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 10:16 pm

Just teasing Sr, Mac, Very Happy

Grumps,
Remember, the PGA Tour is all about charity. Just don't tell the Congressional Committee looking at their tax-exempt status about Berger.

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 11:07 pm

Well he was just following the mantra that charity starts at home

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Post by GPB on Thu 30 Jun 2016, 11:59 pm

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:Well he was just following the mantra that charity starts at home

At least he took a driver and hit his drive 300+ yds.

Back in 2010, Stenson conceded his first round match to Ben Crane in the Match, after using a putter off the first tee.  Stenson took home about $45,000 in official money and about 2 OWGR points (and 22 FEX pts), which counted towards his RtD earnings and Ryder Cup points.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 01 Jul 2016, 12:38 am

But the REAL reason Stenson did that was to get his quota of 15 tournaments in - live by the sword, die by the sword, and good for Henrik for showing up the (stupid) system, which he did not for personal financial gain.


And: There goes another one, DLIII.

That lot sums up in a nutshell what I don't like about the stroke-play WGC's. So many golfers just mailing it in.

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Post by GPB on Fri 01 Jul 2016, 1:07 am

Stupid System?

PGATour membership is a privilege, not a right.

and Membership has its obligations.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 01 Jul 2016, 1:22 am

Quite; my preference would be that no-one received credit for a tournament played who didn't complete 18 holes.

Stenson abused the system just as surely as did Berger. Just for different reasons.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 01 Jul 2016, 2:19 pm

Haven't seen any updates from Firestone but there's a line of storms that should start to produce "weather" round about the 10.00 a.m. first tee-time.
Should be plain sailing then from this afternoon thru' Sunday.

Several of those remaining at the Bridgestone seem to be going through the motions, happy to collect their $50K - $60K without breaking a sweat. Not the WGC's finest hour and the Tours need to do a little reflection of the Olympic fiasco and this week's nonsense.

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Post by McLaren on Fri 01 Jul 2016, 3:25 pm

Not sure how we can guess the mindset of the players but Lowry for example seemed really keen to defend strongly but shot a 76. He wasn't here to go through the motions but still ended up with a bit of a shocker.

Jason Day also pushing hard.
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Post by sirbenson on Fri 01 Jul 2016, 8:15 pm

Tiger out of the Open, wouldn't think he'd back until his own event tbh!

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Post by McLaren on Fri 01 Jul 2016, 8:54 pm

Question posed on twitter by GCW'ers.

Lydia Ko (modern ball+equipment) vs Palmer in his prime (60's ball + 60's equipment)

Who wins?


I vote Ko, and would also predict Ko would beat a 70's Jack using 70's kit.
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Post by sirbenson on Fri 01 Jul 2016, 10:00 pm

Jimmy Walker has hit 3 of 25 fairways and is still par....

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 02 Jul 2016, 2:43 am

No withdrawals today - except ETW of course. Marcus Fraser takes his place and I reckon Luke Donald might be next in line for Troon.

EDIT: Confirmation that Donald is next "alternate" in line for Troon, followed by Summerhays and Charlie HowellIII.


Weather problems have passed Firestone by. It seemed like most of the field was treading water in Round 2 (or slipping under the water), but should be calmer Saturday and hopefully scoring will improve.

Happy to see Messrs Laird and Steele continue to play well in Reno, chasing Snakey.

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Post by sirbenson on Sat 02 Jul 2016, 10:36 am

Brendon Todd has made a cut in the Barracuda after missing 15 cuts in a row! Quite a weird downturn in form considering he has had good years in 2014, 2015!

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 02 Jul 2016, 10:53 am

sirb,
I saw that about Todd!
We followed him at last year's Barclays and many of his camp followers seemed to be on their third or fourth drink by the time he finished his round - about noon. Not that there's anything wrong with that, tho' it's kinda unusual. But if those habits extend to the golfer, there's trouble ahead.

His stat's are amazing - just about as bad as it gets off the tee and approaching the green, but his short game is phenomenal. Presumably because it needs to be, but usually it's the other way around.

His exemption for winning in Dallas a couple of years ago expires this season so his career is at a crossroads.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 02 Jul 2016, 7:34 pm

Looks like Dustin Johnson fancies the Bridgestone tyres even if some don't - round of the day so far as his -5 after 11 holes is two strokes better than anyone else has managed after 18.


Meanwhile, outside Reno the early starters are closing out their rounds - there'll be a "secondary cut" here as 81 golfers made the cut so Job One is to avoid an MDF. Jon Rahm and Greg Owen both teetering on that particular edge early in their rounds.

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Post by McLaren on Sat 02 Jul 2016, 11:42 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:sirb,
I saw that about Todd!
We followed him at last year's Barclays and many of his camp followers seemed to be on their third or fourth drink by the time he finished his round - about noon. Not that there's anything wrong with that, tho' it's kinda unusual. But if those habits extend to the golfer, there's trouble ahead.

I usually take a hip flask when watching golf, with the aim of getting a bit tipsy. Booze pretty expensive at the catering tents.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 03 Jul 2016, 3:43 am

I expect your green-side behaviour is pretty bad Mac, but when there are alcohol-induced piggy backs going on just outside the ropes - I know, girls will be girls - it makes you wonder if such silliness extends inside the ropes.

Boring old Firestone sends me to sleep, but have enjoyed the golf and scenery from Reno as much as ever. Snakey with a decent lead, but if Laird can stop 3-putting he'll be right there Sunday evening.

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Post by McLaren on Sun 03 Jul 2016, 10:18 am

"I expect your green-side behaviour is pretty bad Mac"

I think I behave ok, haven't shouted mash potato yet.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 03 Jul 2016, 6:30 pm

Some better scores among the early starters at the Bridgestone, even Bowditch broke 80.

Casey having some of the birdie buffet after being in summer hibernation since Augusta.
After all the hoo hah about Double Ryder Cup Points for the France action, the top 9 automatic qualifyiers remain the same though there's some positional juggling.
But there'll be some movement in the US places, what with Koepka having done an early runner and Patrick Reed scraping it round.
Zach Johnson, Piercy and Bubba look to take advantage, especially with Phil, Fowler, Haas, Holmes & Hoffman going nowhere.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 03 Jul 2016, 9:48 pm

Looks like the Bridgestone will result in one or the other of:
~2nd consecutive WGC win by Day.
~2nd consecutive American WGC win by DJ.


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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sun 03 Jul 2016, 11:19 pm

The magnificent Dustin Johnson seals the deal at Firestone to win the WGC Bridgestone Invitational. Delighted to see DJ finally the most of his ample talent.

Last four titles:
WGC-HSBC Champions
WGC-Cadillac championship
U.S. Open
WGC-Bridgestone Invitational

Must be the favourite heading into the Open championship

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Post by sirbenson on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 12:31 am

Keep getting those titles DJ!

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Post by Shotrock on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 12:40 am

The "next non American" to win a WGC event? Well, it won't be this day ... well done DJ!! Surprising day from Day, that's for sure.


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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 3:16 am

Quite something to win your first tournament at the age of 42 with an eagle on the 72nd hole. Wow! Snakey!!

7th place for Laird, his worst finish at Reno in four trips - needs another good result to ensure his card for next year..

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Post by super_realist on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 8:24 am

Science Denier better get his finger out soon or he's going to start plummeting down the rankings.
Average results won't do it after his 2015.

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Post by pedro on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 9:33 am

Well done Dustin. Glad you dropped the ganja.

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Post by pedro on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 9:39 am

super_realist wrote:Science Denier better get his finger out soon or he's going to start plummeting down the rankings.
Average results won't do it after his 2015.
Think that applies to Rory as well. Rory is dropping more points than the SD.

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Post by hend085 on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 10:29 am

funny to think DJ wasnt considered part of the big 4 by most commentators a few weeks ago. now hes #2 in the world.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 11:49 am

Hideki Matsuyama the latest to w/d from Olympic consideration.
Rapidly turning into a farce.
Will one of the Americans break ranks? DJ certainly doesn't seem that keen, nor does #3.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 11:54 am

Good result for DJ. Now he's got that Major monkey off his back, could have some great contests with him, Spieth, McIlroy and Day at, or around, their best.

McLaren wrote:Question posed on twitter by GCW'ers.

Lydia Ko (modern ball+equipment) vs Palmer in his prime (60's ball + 60's equipment)

Who wins?


I vote Ko, and would also predict Ko would beat a 70's Jack using 70's kit.
Not a chance. Certainly not against 70s Jack in his prime.
I presume you'd have them playing the same layout? So Ko off the tips or Arnie/Jack off a LPGA setup?
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Post by super_realist on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 12:14 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Hideki Matsuyama the latest to w/d from Olympic consideration.
Rapidly turning into a farce.
Will one of the Americans break ranks? DJ certainly doesn't seem that keen, nor does #3.

Doubt the Americans will withdraw, god will protect them after all.

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Post by GPB on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 1:21 pm

hend085 wrote:funny to think DJ wasnt considered part of the big 4 by most commentators a few weeks ago. now hes #2 in the world.

How is it funny?

A few weeks ago, DJ hadn't won anything in 15 months. Amazing how winning actually means something.

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Post by GPB on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 1:22 pm

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Post by McLaren on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 2:32 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
McLaren wrote:Question posed on twitter by GCW'ers.

Lydia Ko (modern ball+equipment) vs Palmer in his prime (60's ball + 60's equipment)

Who wins?


I vote Ko, and would also predict Ko would beat a 70's Jack using 70's kit.
Not a chance. Certainly not against 70s Jack in his prime.
I presume you'd have them playing the same layout? So Ko off the tips or Arnie/Jack off a LPGA setup?

Really you think she would have no chance? In a ten match series I could easily see it coming out in Ko's favour playing from the tee's of Jack and Arnie's era's.
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Re: PGA Tour: All At Sea: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by pedro on Mon 04 Jul 2016, 2:44 pm

GPB wrote:
hend085 wrote:funny to think DJ wasnt considered part of the big 4 by most commentators a few weeks ago. now hes #2 in the world.

How is it funny?

A few weeks ago, DJ hadn't won anything in 15 months.  Amazing how winning actually means something.
Agree with GPB. Jason Day had hardly won anything till last autumn. Now he's a world beater. For some players I think it's all about getting the monkey off your back (or as Garcia say: "off your bag").

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