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Post by laverfan on Thu 07 Jul 2016, 9:33 pm

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Raonic v Federer - McEnroe feels his protege is ready to get to a Slam Final. On ESPN, he stated that emphatically.  Federer looks hungry, but Cilic feels Federer was missing shots that he did not miss in his heyday.

Berdych v Murray - Murray should find this a bit easier than his QF v Tsonga. Drop shots and good defense should also help. Baseline play may not get him much leverage with Berdych.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:46 pm

I'm a little surprised that individual tournaments have any responsibility for keeping stats. I would have thought there would have been a centralised body for that.

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Post by lags72 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:48 pm

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:Maybe converting BPs was never his forte, but his sheer dominance concealed it.

Safe to say he didn't have much trouble converting in his heyday ..... Cool

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:48 pm

What a volley!

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Post by lags72 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:49 pm

Raonic coming up with stuff I haven't seen from him before. All credit.

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Post by lags72 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:50 pm

And coming up with it at the most vital times ......

Impressive.

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Post by Guest on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:51 pm

Disaster if this goes to a fifth

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Post by barrystar on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:51 pm

Carlos Moya looks sick with worry - I'd like my coach to betray less emotion of that sort.
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Post by Jermaine2015 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:52 pm

The legend of Roger Federer goes on and on. Weeks shorts of his 35th birthday, the greatest reaches yet another Wimbledon final. No Nadal or Djokovic to deny him this time. #18

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:53 pm

I'm a little torn watching this match. Massively prefer Fed over Milos, but my true loyalty lies with Andy and, for whatever reason, I'm more worried about Fed being across the net in the final. On balance though, I think I'm still rooting for Fed. The prospect of a Raonic-Berdych final sends shivers down my spine.

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Post by lags72 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:54 pm

No need to worry emancipator.

He's rubbish, remember ..... Shocked

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:54 pm

Jermaine2015 wrote:The legend of Roger Federer goes on and on. Weeks shorts of his 35th birthday, the greatest reaches yet another Wimbledon final. No Nadal or Djokovic to deny him this time. #18

Am I watching on time delay or have you just paid Milos a Bung?

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:56 pm

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:
Jermaine2015 wrote:The legend of Roger Federer goes on and on. Weeks shorts of his 35th birthday, the greatest reaches yet another Wimbledon final. No Nadal or Djokovic to deny him this time. #18

Am I watching on time delay or have you just paid Milos a Bung?
Pre loaded comment which I wasn't trying to post just yet Doh

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Post by barrystar on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:56 pm

My goodness - where did Raonic get all this from?
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Post by temporary21 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:57 pm

Damn it man. Don't di that to man who can't watch it

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Post by lags72 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:57 pm

You might want to check out his posting history ....!

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Post by barrystar on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:57 pm

And what a time for Fed to start looking so vulnerable....
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:59 pm

It does seem weird McEnroe commentating on this one. Hard to see how he can speak candidly while being in Raonic's pay. Sure he has some great insights, but no way can he blab these on live TV.

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Post by Guest on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:59 pm

Awful from Fed to lose serve from 40-0.

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Post by barrystar on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:59 pm

I think that #18 went just there - Federer has a series of brain farts from 40-0 up and Raonic plays some of the best points all match.
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Post by kemet on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 3:59 pm

Oh boy, I have to make sure my nerves can take this....

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Post by temporary21 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:00 pm

Jesus. Jermaine that's a heck of a curse you just put in Roger

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:00 pm

Time to wheel out the egg emoticon.....

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Post by kemet on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:00 pm

emancipator wrote:Awful from Fed to lose serve from 40-0.

This really, really, really (did I say really?) annoys me.

But I am not surprised....

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:03 pm

Right, where's your money then? Fed has had a few warrior comebacks over 5, but I think his 5th set record is relatively poor. Potentially uncharted territory for Milos.

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Post by temporary21 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:03 pm

Fed.

But he's now had the worst prep possible for the final

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:04 pm

Serving first could prove a huge advantage for Milos.

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Post by Guest on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:04 pm

Yup this pretty much guarantees that Fed will be nackered in the final - if he gets there.

Lags - I think we'll find out how 'good' Milos is if he plays Murray in the final.

Scraping past a slow, old and out of form Federer should not be too difficult for someone with aspirations of being a slam champion.


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Post by lags72 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:04 pm

barrystar wrote:My goodness - where did Raonic get all this from?

With respect barrystar .....the Raonic believers have seen it coming, as he gets closer & closer to making a major Final.

Those who prefer to trash him maybe didn't want it to come.

Federer guilty of so many errors, sure. But even he began to feel pressure after seeing so many BP's fended off. And well saved, must be said.

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Post by kemet on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:05 pm

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:Right, where's your money then? Fed has had a few warrior comebacks over 5, but I think his 5th set record is relatively poor. Potentially uncharted territory for Milos.

I think Roger has to rely on Raonic's serve to fail him and then he has to make sure he does not lose serve after being 40-0 up in games.


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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:05 pm

Fed had the court much more open on the other side on the set point. Was he anticipating Raonic starting to run and then putting it behind him? Poor shot choice, although easy to say in retrospect.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:06 pm

Can't get much more sickening than being broken from 40-0 up at 5-6 on a grass court. Fed needs to push the reset button and move on quickly. He cannot afford a lapse early on in the decider.

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Post by lags72 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:07 pm

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:It does seem weird McEnroe commentating on this one. Hard to see how he can speak candidly while being in Raonic's pay. Sure he has some great insights, but no way can he blab these on live TV.

Maybe.

But can't say I've noticed any significant difference in his approach to this commentary, or his overall tone.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:09 pm

Henman Bill wrote:Fed had the court much more open on the other side on the set point. Was he anticipating Raonic starting to run and then putting it behind him? Poor shot choice, although easy to say in retrospect.

A bit reminiscent of the Tsonga-Murray match, where Tsonga's BH was surprisingly good on the pass. Hard to blame Fed for going for the percentage play, but the approach was a bit safe and I guess Milos knew it was coming.

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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:13 pm

Is there a possibility that Federer starts to feel the pressure a little more when his biggest opponent has gone?

If you look at the last couple of years, when it's been Djokovic in the final at the US Open or Wimbledon, Federer had got there. But when Djokovic lost Federer was bombed out of the US Open by Cilic, and here at Wimbledon struggling against Cilic and Raonic.

There was also the famous Thomas Haas match at RG, wasn't it the day after Rafa exited.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:14 pm

I wonder what the odds are on this going beyond 6-6. There's only been one TB and quite a few missed BPs, so breaks haven't been that hard to come by. However, with tiring limbs, if both players hit their spots, we could be in for the long haul.

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Post by Guest on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:14 pm

Fed has been missing routine rallying shots from the baseline. In fact every time he lines up to it from the baseline it feels like he's gonna miss or shank.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:16 pm

Oh no. Was that the bad knee?

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Post by kemet on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:16 pm

Henman Bill wrote:Is there a possibility that Federer starts to feel the pressure a little more when his biggest opponent has gone?

If you look at the last couple of years, when it's been Djokovic in the final at the US Open or Wimbledon, Federer had got there. But when Djokovic lost Federer was bombed out of the US Open by Cilic, and here at Wimbledon struggling against Cilic and Raonic.

There was also the famous Thomas Haas match at RG, wasn't it the day after Rafa exited.

If Djokovic was Raonic's opponent in this match, this match would have been over an hour and a half ago, and in Djokovic's favour.


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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:16 pm

Class from Fed to stave off the BP.

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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:16 pm

Is that fair enough to go and sit down there at break point etiquette wise?

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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:17 pm

Was foot not knee

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Post by lags72 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:17 pm

emancipator wrote:

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Lags - I think we'll find out how 'good' Milos is if he plays Murray in the final.

Scraping past a slow, old and out of form Federer should not be too difficult for someone with aspirations of being a slam champion.


Yes, we will. And yes, Murray will be the clear favourite, no doubt. And Raonic looks a near-certainty to make the Final now.

But his points tally on grass in the Queens Final v Andy was 49 % v 51%, so a perfectly respectable showing over the three sets.

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Post by Henman Bill on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:19 pm

I jinxed Fed the other day by talking about this champion second serves. More double faults than usual today.

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Post by temporary21 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:19 pm

What's up with his foot?

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:19 pm

What a point from Raonic! Fed will have nightmares. Now it's just a question of Raonic's nerve.

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Post by kemet on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:20 pm

And that, ladies and gentlemen is the coup d'grace

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Post by barrystar on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:20 pm

Henman Bill wrote:Is that fair enough to go and sit down there at break point etiquette wise?


I don't know - I suspect that he was spooked and needed to be told that he wasn't going to hurt his knee?  It was v. quick.

Raonic is playing like he expects to win now, and I think he's right.
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Post by Guest on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:20 pm

Oh dear, this may be it. Well played from Milos on the break point. Really stayed cool.

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Post by temporary21 on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:21 pm

Now. The ultimate test of nerve...

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Post by banbrotam on Fri 08 Jul 2016, 4:23 pm

It's almost a white elephant moment for Fed to take one injury break, never mind two

Shows, that he's clearly on the edge with his body. Last thing he wants is to make things worse, but it is Wimbledon I suppose

I've not been that impressed by Raonic. To me it's been more about Roger's level - which isn't quite the same as normal (i.e. last year)

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