The Future for the PRO 12 - Part 2 - USA Expansion

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The Future for the PRO 12 - Part 2 - USA Expansion

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 16 Jul 2016, 1:18 am

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We've had the discussion on how does the PRO12 move forward for much of last season.

Towards the end of the season, PR012 CEO, Martin Anayi gave several media interviews on his own, and with PRO 12 chairman, Gerald Davies, on where the PRO12 needs to go to cope with changes in rugby within Six Nations and globally.

Anayi and Davies identified and acknowledged a number of the issues raised by PRO clubs CEOs and fans including increase in TV monies, match-day attendances, marketing, standard of refereeing, season structure and test window matches,  scheduling of season matches/kick-off times including Sunday games, European competitions, player welfare/concussion, growing "event" weekends, etc.

Anayi and Davies met with PRO12 CEOs over the last season to discuss issues and get feedback on a number of proposals that would mark out the future for the PRO 12 and its member unions.  

From various media interviews and reports - some unsubstantiated - a number of key decisions are being considered by PRO 12 and its 12 member clubs along with their representative organisations and unions.  In summary, these would appear to include:


  • Changes to season scheduling to make it more accessible, consistent, and appealing to fans across the four unions territories starting from next season 2016/17.
  • Further investment in a referee development programme to deal with issues/perceptions of bias and neutrality for league fixtures
  • Stronger and more localised marketing and promotion of league games by the PRO12 and by the individual clubs to attract fans to games and make it more appealing to broadcasters.
  • More promotion and stronger branding/marketing of games by TV partners
  • Changing the structure of the league from home & away 22 games to a conference/pool structure that can accommodate more teams in the future from other unions/territories e.g. North America and South Africa, with East Coast of America being the first target to develop a franchise with operational and coaching expertise being provided by the four unions.
  • Development of Big Event Weekends to drive crowd numbers, create a more appealing product for TV companies/sponsors, and generate more revenues for the PRO12
  • Reduce number of games played during season and re-strucure so that no "league" games are played during the test windows in November and Feb/March
  • Consequently, this would allow a greater proportion of league games to have test players involved and increase quality of product.
  • During test windows, the PRO CEOs want rugby to continue, and a revised development competition is being proposed for these periods for development of academy and young players within squads not involved in test rugby.  This may involve changes to the British & Irish Cup and the Anglo-Wlesh Cup.  One report indicates that Premier Rugby may be interested in discussing the creation of a British & Irish development cup to replace the current AW Cup that would attract increased sponsorship and TV money than currently.


It's clear that changes need to occur for the PRO12.   The current structure and set-up is neither sufficient nor sustainable.   The most recent comments on this from the CEO of the IRFU in publishing their annual report indicate this clearly, and what changes need to occur.  He also commented on the plans to develop a franchise in the US.

The potential for the development of a B&I league has been regularly discussed on 606v2, but for the purposes of this topic, it's not being included as the Premiership has commitments for the next 6-7 years on its TV deals that would not countenance such a move.  

Feel free to comment/dispute/argue on what is being proposed - any errors are entirely mine.


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Re: The Future for the PRO 12 - Part 2 - USA Expansion

Post by SecretFly on Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:17 pm

Welly wrote: God I bet Pro12 will mess it all up somehow.

It stinks of milking a money cow, but Canada isn't America in that regards.

Isn't that the very definition of Professionalism that we've all been told is how it's gotta be, Welly?

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Re: The Future for the PRO 12 - Part 2 - USA Expansion

Post by Welly on Tue 15 Nov 2016, 5:59 pm

SecretFly wrote:Doug sounds like yet another prize asswhole in the growing list of greedy 'Professional' Rugby pragmatists.

I might be wrong but it seems he's learning his technique from the bully'n'cajole boys in Europe.


Not sure that is entirely fair.

He is securing his investment isn't he, I mean he is basically creating an entire league with no infrastructure already in place.

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Re: The Future for the PRO 12 - Part 2 - USA Expansion

Post by SecretFly on Tue 15 Nov 2016, 6:20 pm

Welly wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Doug sounds like yet another prize asswhole in the growing list of greedy 'Professional' Rugby pragmatists.

I might be wrong but it seems he's learning his technique from the bully'n'cajole boys in Europe.


Not sure that is entirely fair.

He is securing his investment isn't he, I mean he is basically creating an entire league with no infrastructure already in place.

He is (as I understood it) demanding exclusivity (ie - my guys own it all) before he plays ball with Canada - the condition Canada felt they couldn't accept.  So he sulks and wants to punish some folks for not saying "Yes, sir!"?

It's a style of course. But we're entitled to keep fingering the style that grows as MONEY becomes a fever. Macho tactics are here to stay. Where's my cigar and horse's head?

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Re: The Future for the PRO 12 - Part 2 - USA Expansion

Post by Welly on Tue 15 Nov 2016, 6:33 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Welly wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Doug sounds like yet another prize asswhole in the growing list of greedy 'Professional' Rugby pragmatists.

I might be wrong but it seems he's learning his technique from the bully'n'cajole boys in Europe.


Not sure that is entirely fair.

He is securing his investment isn't he, I mean he is basically creating an entire league with no infrastructure already in place.

He is (as I understood it) demanding exclusivity (ie - my guys own it all) before he plays ball with Canada - the condition Canada felt they couldn't accept.  So he sulks and wants to punish some folks for not saying "Yes, sir!"?

It's a style of course.  But we're entitled to keep fingering the style that grows as MONEY becomes a fever.  Macho tactics are here to stay.  Where's my cigar and horse's head?

What is wrong with his actions? Tough yeh but what about Irish rugby and its use of Connacht?

I think he is perfectly fine going for exclusivity he has it with America, he is the one that will be putting money into it not Canada.


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Re: The Future for the PRO 12 - Part 2 - USA Expansion

Post by SecretFly on Tue 15 Nov 2016, 6:42 pm

Welly wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Welly wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Doug sounds like yet another prize asswhole in the growing list of greedy 'Professional' Rugby pragmatists.

I might be wrong but it seems he's learning his technique from the bully'n'cajole boys in Europe.


Not sure that is entirely fair.

He is securing his investment isn't he, I mean he is basically creating an entire league with no infrastructure already in place.

He is (as I understood it) demanding exclusivity (ie - my guys own it all) before he plays ball with Canada - the condition Canada felt they couldn't accept.  So he sulks and wants to punish some folks for not saying "Yes, sir!"?

It's a style of course.  But we're entitled to keep fingering the style that grows as MONEY becomes a fever.  Macho tactics are here to stay.  Where's my cigar and horse's head?

What is wrong with his actions? Tough yeh but what about Irish rugby and its use of Connacht?

I think he is perfectly fine going for exclusivity he has it with America, he is the one that will be putting money into it not Canada.


He's a business man. - he only puts money in (usually provided by big loans dished out to himself) to get more money out.  I don't buy this philanthropic largesse deal, Welly.  Don't buy it for a sec - but that's another trick that keeps popping up in recent years too.  
The product (that would have included a few Canadian sides) itself is the money generator in terms of sponsorship interest, population participation, broadcasting deals.  He isn't in this to help American Rugby or Canadian Rugby, he's in it for eventual big profits on initial investment.
Again, he's entitled to play things how he wants to play them, but I'll keep having a pop at the new entry wise-guys who have balls enough of their own to take it Wink

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Re: The Future for the PRO 12 - Part 2 - USA Expansion

Post by Welly on Tue 15 Nov 2016, 6:58 pm

I'm sure he feels he has a chance of getting and making a large amount of money. It's obvious he feels there is a chance this could work and he could hit it big.

BUT there is also a huge chance that this doesn't work and he is left with fek all or with a league that struggles to get 3/4000

I think you are clearly over valuing the amount of money that would be made in the short term. His best chance of making large money is IF it does kick of selling the clubs to indivisible owners.

America is a huge market but at the same time it is extremely untested with a tiny amount of exposure up against some of the biggest commercialised sports leagues in the world. He has the right window in summer as I only really conflicts with Baseball but it is a hell of a hill to climb.

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