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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 8:41 am

The Welsh Rugby Union has blocked Shaun Edwards from taking up a coaching role at Toulon.

Initially, the WRU and head coach Warren Gatland agreed to give Edwards a chance with the three-time European champions in order to gain some coaching experience and continue his development.

However, they have recently back-tracked on sending the defence coach to France.

"Shaun will not be working with Toulon," said the WRU in a statement.

"He is a contracted employee of the WRU. Whilst we encourage coaching staff gaining experience in other environments, the scope of the opportunity at Toulon has changed and would represent an unacceptable compromise.

"Shaun remains committed to Wales up to RWC 2019."
http://www.planetrugby.com/news/edwards-tackled-into-touch-by-wru/

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Re: WRU says no to Toulon role for Shaun Edwards

Post by SecretFly on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 10:55 am

Shocked

Shaun Edwards still looking to 'gain some coaching experience'?

Jesus, the world truly is nuts.


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Re: WRU says no to Toulon role for Shaun Edwards

Post by Dai Llewod on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:01 am

You have to feel sorry for the Welsh Pro clubs. That's "pro" which is short for professional, which the WRU really don't seem to be at times. They have to deal with this lot on a daily basis. #AmateurHour

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Post by SecretFly on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:14 am

The bosses at the WRU have been changed Dai - and during the changing it was viewed widely in Wales that the new boss was more Pro Club, was actually from Pro Club and was the right man for the job to change the philosophy to be more club biased.

Is Gareth Davies, man of the common people and common sense, now become the new Roger Lewis?

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Post by munkian on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:21 am

SecretFly wrote:The bosses at the WRU have been changed Dai - and during the changing it was viewed widely in Wales that the new boss was more Pro Club, was actually from Pro Club and was the right man for the job to change the philosophy to be more club biased.

Is Gareth Davies, man of the common people and common sense, now become the new Roger Lewis?

No.

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Post by Dai Llewod on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:23 am

Time will tell. Alot of the processes which set pro rugby back in Wales are still going on due to Lewis' harmful legacy....the continuing excessive November internationals, the less than market value stadium naming deal, the ridiculous test v England, the continuing unsatisfactory participation agreement with the pro teams.

If Davies can stamp his authority over the game as a whole and heal the damage that Lewis and Pickering did, then it's a start. But it will take time as the damage is long lasting. One man put the game in Wales back 5 or 6 years. A national scandal if you ask me. But he had the press in his pocket so no questions were asked. No accountability at all at the top level. Pretty remarkable.

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Post by LordDowlais on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:34 am

Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

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Post by Stone Motif on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:39 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

Laugh

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Re: WRU says no to Toulon role for Shaun Edwards

Post by SecretFly on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:39 am

Someone can rename my house The Millennium Stadium is they'll pay me enough to cover my debts???

No?

Basterdes!

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Post by Dai Llewod on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:50 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

They didn't just give the debt. It's over 10 years. And by saying they could have paid more, then surely you are agreeing with my point that it is less than market value?

Unless you do actually think that the Millennium stadium value was worth half as much as Lansdowne Road.

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Post by LordDowlais on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:52 am

Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

Laugh


What's so funny ?

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:53 am

Dai Llewod wrote:Time will tell. Alot of the processes which set pro rugby back in Wales are still going on due to Lewis' harmful legacy....the continuing excessive November internationals, the less than market value stadium naming deal, the ridiculous test v England, the continuing unsatisfactory participation agreement with the pro teams.

If Davies can stamp his authority over the game as a whole and heal the damage that Lewis and Pickering did, then it's a start. But it will take time as the damage is long lasting. One man put the game in Wales back 5 or 6 years. A national scandal if you ask me. But he had the press in his pocket so no questions were asked. No accountability at all at the top level. Pretty remarkable.

Why is it that Lewis gets all the abuse for the deals between WRU and Regions? The deal was negotiated by two parties, that means that the regions signed off on it but in typical fashion seem to escape the blame

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Post by Dai Llewod on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:54 am

marty2086 wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:Time will tell. Alot of the processes which set pro rugby back in Wales are still going on due to Lewis' harmful legacy....the continuing excessive November internationals, the less than market value stadium naming deal, the ridiculous test v England, the continuing unsatisfactory participation agreement with the pro teams.

If Davies can stamp his authority over the game as a whole and heal the damage that Lewis and Pickering did, then it's a start. But it will take time as the damage is long lasting. One man put the game in Wales back 5 or 6 years. A national scandal if you ask me. But he had the press in his pocket so no questions were asked. No accountability at all at the top level. Pretty remarkable.

Why is it that Lewis gets all the abuse for the deals between WRU and Regions? The deal was negotiated by two parties, that means that the regions signed off on it but in typical fashion seem to escape the blame

Bullied into it. No real choice.

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Re: WRU says no to Toulon role for Shaun Edwards

Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:55 am

Dai Llewod wrote:You have to feel sorry for the Welsh Pro clubs. That's "pro" which is short for professional, which the WRU really don't seem to be at times. They have to deal with this lot on a daily basis. #AmateurHour

How is it amateur hour? They agreed to him carrying out a role at Toulon who them changed the role, not rocket science

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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:56 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

It was quite a clever move by Principality to pay less than the going rate?  It certainly was.  How did they think of that?   Genius.  

Hmmm, following on from that piece of unerring logic, Aviva paid the full market rate for Lansdowne, so it's really the WRU is holding back the PRO12.  And world peace obviously.  

Am I the only one seeing this 'hypocrisy' on here?  Very Happy

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:56 am

Dai Llewod wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:Time will tell. Alot of the processes which set pro rugby back in Wales are still going on due to Lewis' harmful legacy....the continuing excessive November internationals, the less than market value stadium naming deal, the ridiculous test v England, the continuing unsatisfactory participation agreement with the pro teams.

If Davies can stamp his authority over the game as a whole and heal the damage that Lewis and Pickering did, then it's a start. But it will take time as the damage is long lasting. One man put the game in Wales back 5 or 6 years. A national scandal if you ask me. But he had the press in his pocket so no questions were asked. No accountability at all at the top level. Pretty remarkable.

Why is it that Lewis gets all the abuse for the deals between WRU and Regions? The deal was negotiated by two parties, that means that the regions signed off on it but in typical fashion seem to escape the blame

Bullied into it. No real choice.

No they weren't bullied into it, they chose to and its not the first time. They did it previously, agreed a deal with the WRU and after about two weeks were threatening court action, instead of signing up to something you don't like and bitch and moan about learn to bloody negotiate better

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Post by SecretFly on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 11:57 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

Laugh


What's so funny ?

Maybe he thinks you hit a nail on the head? Maybe its a laughing compliment? You're such a distrusting chap, Lord Wink

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Post by Griff on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 12:38 pm

Oops, there goes another thread. Welsh-Irish bickering about the finer detail of their union's accounts. Again. Just what I signed up to 606v2 for...

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Post by Griff on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 12:39 pm

... but wait for it: "Don't read it if you don't like it!".  But there's very little else to read on here.

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Post by TightHEAD on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 1:06 pm

He needs to leave the WRU and join a professional set up. They are holding him back.

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Post by SecretFly on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 1:30 pm

Griff wrote:Oops, there goes another thread.  Welsh-Irish bickering about the finer detail of their union's accounts.  Again.  Just what I signed up to 606v2 for...

Welsh on Welsh friendly-fire incident? No?


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Post by SecretFly on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 1:32 pm

oh sorry, missed a few posts...you're right Griff.

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 2:03 pm

SecretFly wrote:Shocked

Shaun Edwards still looking to 'gain some coaching experience'?

Jesus, the world truly is nuts.


Why? All good coaches wish to experience new environments in order to compare and learn.

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 2:05 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

WTF?

Principality got the deal for a bloody song.

A proper sales process would have seen the winner pay significantly more. You've completely ignored the fact that the rights were undersold.

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Post by BamBam on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 2:37 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

Haven't you posted before about running a successful business

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Post by SecretFly on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 2:42 pm

PhilBB wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Shocked

Shaun Edwards still looking to 'gain some coaching experience'?

Jesus, the world truly is nuts.


Why? All good coaches wish to experience new environments in order to compare and learn.

Silly wording - that's why.  He isn't a kid, he is 15 or so years in coaching, he's had a degree of some success with Wales in the International arena - often against the bookie's odds.  The wording might have been better had it said he 'wanted to impart his experience in a new climate'.

Would Gatland possibly be described as a guy in need of gaining coaching experience if he chose to head back home to a New Zealand club?

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 22 Jul 2016, 6:33 pm

BamBam wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

Haven't you posted before about running a successful business

Laugh Laugh Laugh

Do you have any carpets that need fitting?

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 23 Jul 2016, 9:54 am

BamBam wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Dai Llewod wrote:the less than market value stadium naming deal

I think you have that one wrong. Yes Pricipality could have paid more. But they paid what the debt was, and over the next few years the WRU will save millions in interest fees. It was quite a clever move.

Haven't you posted before about running a successful business

Laugh Laugh Laugh

laughing

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon 25 Jul 2016, 8:03 am

Nice to see we all have finacial experts on here. Rolling Eyes

Whilst I agree that Principality should have paid more, WRU got rid of a debt with huge interest rates. In the alloted time the WRU had to re-pay the debt they would have spent millions more in interest.

But it's the same old with the regionalists on this forum, they are ALWAYS right, and everything that is wrong with the world is down to Roger Lewis and the WRU.

Funny thing is, Roger Lewis is good at turning failing ventures around, the WRU were in dire straights when he took over, and he turned it around, and look now what he has done with Cardiff airport.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 25 Jul 2016, 10:02 am

Look Lord, stop resisting the truth.  

We all know that it's going to take 36 years, three months, and 22 days before all of Roger Lewis's wrongs come to contractual ends; and it's going to take all that time before Gareth and his new CEO can finally go in to their offices and actually get some of their ideas up and running.

Gareth's impatient to get going and he has a lot of things he wants to do that are going to be fantastic! - but first he has a lot of fishing and crosswords to get through for a few decades before Roger's Wrongs fade out.

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Post by Stone Motif on Mon 25 Jul 2016, 12:27 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Nice to see we all have finacial experts on here. Rolling Eyes

Whilst I agree that Principality should have paid more, WRU got rid of a debt with huge interest rates. In the alloted time the WRU had to re-pay the debt they would have spent millions more in interest.

But it's the same old with the regionalists on this forum, they are ALWAYS right, and everything that is wrong with the world is down to Roger Lewis and the WRU.

Funny thing is, Roger Lewis is good at turning failing ventures around, the WRU were in dire straights when he took over, and he turned it around, and look now what he has done with Cardiff airport.

No, he shat all over the pro and community game and gave a 300 year contract extention to a coach who was 2 from 28 against the SH. Stick to carpets - RL does the amount of brown stuff follows in his wake.

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