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Post by Sin é on Mon 08 Aug 2016, 9:54 pm

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Venues announced and both Govs underwriting cost.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/government-to-underwrite-320m-in-bid-for-2023-rugby-world-cup-414609.html


Croke Park, The Aviva stadium, RDS in Dublin; (3)
Casement Park and Kingspan Stadium in Belfast (2)
Pairc Uí Chaoimh in Cork;

These include Croke Park, the Aviva Stadium and the RDS in Dublin;
Casement Park and Kingspan Stadium in Belfast;
Pairc Uí Chaoimh in Cork;
Thomond Park, Limerick;
Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney;
Pearse Stadium, Galway;
McHale Park in Castlebar;
Nowlan Park, Kilkenny;
and Celtic Park in Derry.

Great to see how evenly spread around the island (Derry & Kilkenny for example).

The operational costs for redeveloping some of these venues and bringing them up to standards and sizes for the tournament is estimated to cost in the region of €60m.

I think we have a good chance.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 19 Oct 2016, 2:46 pm

Ulster Rugby Chief Executive Shane Logan has declared a redeveloped Casement Park as imperative to hopes of seeing the world’s best rugby sides such as New Zealand, South Africa, England and Australia play in Northern Ireland.

The home of Antrim GAA is included as part of Ireland’s bid to host the 2023 World Cup despite an ongoing debate surrounding its expansion to a 40,000 all-seater stadium.

A community consultation programme has now reached its second stage and next week will see a series of public events to discuss revised plans, initially blocked by opposition from residents in December of 2014 after the Executive pledged over £60million in funding.

With Ulster’s 18,000 capacity Kingspan Stadium too small to host the heavyweights of the game going head-to-head should Ireland be granted the World Cup next year, Logan insists everything hinges on current aims to have the new Casement operational by 2019.

“There is a template that goes into the bid as to where games can be played,” he said.

“On the assumption that Casement is up and running, then yes we would be looking at tier one internationals being played. The minimum capacity for a Tier One international is around 30,000. If Casement is that, or above, that opens up an opportunity for us.”

According to Logan, Kingspan would need only minor changes — to the pitch and floodlights — to host games of lesser standing, involving sides like Tonga, Namibia, Georgia and Japan. But Casement would be key to the big hitters playing here, Logan told the Belfast Telegraph after addressing a Stormont all-party Assembly group on rugby yesterday.


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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 19 Oct 2016, 6:17 pm

Interesting story, Marty.

Opinion seems to be divided on whether it will get the go-ahead as envisoned or whether a compromised capacity redevelopment will get a green light.
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Post by marty2086 on Thu 20 Oct 2016, 11:54 am



This is the result of the initial consultation, it does seem the majority of residents don't have a problem but a small number are holding things up but that those in charge took short cuts where they really didn't need to.

The fact that the whole bid is contingent on Casement though when it was already blighted by issues seems crazy.

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Post by asoreleftshoulder on Fri 21 Oct 2016, 10:46 am

The whole bid isn't contingent on Casement is it? From the piece above it only means Northern Ireland won't get any of the really big games without Casement.This would be a huge shame and would devalue the bid massively but wouldn't derail it completely.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Fri 27 Jan 2017, 7:22 pm

Aparently the WRU board has agreed to waive their claim on any profits generated by a potential Ireland rugby world cup. Good news, unless they are planning not to vote for us.

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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 27 Jan 2017, 7:40 pm

WRU put back in their box. A lot of annoyance in WR about their leaking of the 1999 agreement which undermined Ireland's bid process. In addition, as the WRU Chair had to admit, Wales had already been well compensated for its original deal.
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Post by nlpnlp on Fri 27 Jan 2017, 11:51 pm

Having a big collection of local fans to fill the stadia for the Georgia v Latvia games is a bonus, but not essential. The cash cows are the TV deals ie what England and France are willing to pay because the timing of the games fits in with our time zone. And the tourist benefits for which the government will pay for. So having lots of hotels for which visitors are happy to pay big bucks for. Renting a campervan is great, but it won't make great money for you (eg New Zealand). So world cups will come back to England because that is where the big money is. World cups will go to SA, NZ and Aus because they are "big" rugby nations. Going to Japan and other expansion countries will be a 1 in 5 or 6 event. So you are looking at England/France occurring every 3 world cups; a southern hemisphere country 1 in every 3 and ano 1 in every 3.

The Olympics opens up new countries and I think will be the area to concentrate on for spreading the gospel.

Ireland would be a great venue for a world cup, but there would have to be questions about the infrastructure - adequate hotels, even quality of roads to get to Castlebar, etc. Are their hotel rooms for 100,000+ people, especially adequate rooms outside of Dublin and Belfast?

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Post by True Raven on Sat 28 Jan 2017, 11:23 am

My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

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Post by marty2086 on Sat 28 Jan 2017, 11:51 am

True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

They werent tied in to begin with, it would actually have made a bigger statement voting against while they had something to gain from voting for

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 28 Jan 2017, 12:17 pm

True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

Eh no. They were called out by WR and a number of unions on being conflicted with a supposed formal agreement in place.  So they were forced to make a formal board decision and public statement on the issue.  The Wales Online leak was a bad move.
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Post by wayne on Sat 28 Jan 2017, 12:54 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

Eh no. They were called out by WR and a number of unions on being conflicted with a supposed formal agreement in place.  So they were forced to make a formal board decision and public statement on the issue.  The Wales Online leak was a bad move.

The Wales online leak wasn't a leak. It was taken from a formal statement on the WRU website. The same formal agreement with the IRFU was the same one that was put in place with the RFU and the FRFU, who were prepared to honour their side of the agreement, but obviously the IRFU were not.

That just about sums up the morals of the IRFU.

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Post by marty2086 on Sat 28 Jan 2017, 1:33 pm

wayne wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

Eh no. They were called out by WR and a number of unions on being conflicted with a supposed formal agreement in place.  So they were forced to make a formal board decision and public statement on the issue.  The Wales Online leak was a bad move.

The Wales online leak wasn't a leak. It was taken from a formal statement on the WRU website. The same formal agreement with the IRFU was the same one that was put in place with the RFU and the FRFU, who were prepared to honour their side of the agreement, but obviously the IRFU were not.

That just about sums up the morals of the IRFU.  

picard

WRU board make a decision and you blame the IRFU?

Some the ability to think logically by some

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Post by Sin é on Sat 28 Jan 2017, 2:13 pm

wayne wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

Eh no. They were called out by WR and a number of unions on being conflicted with a supposed formal agreement in place.  So they were forced to make a formal board decision and public statement on the issue.  The Wales Online leak was a bad move.

The Wales online leak wasn't a leak. It was taken from a formal statement on the WRU website. The same formal agreement with the IRFU was the same one that was put in place with the RFU and the FRFU, who were prepared to honour their side of the agreement, but obviously the IRFU were not.

That just about sums up the morals of the IRFU.  

The point is that it could be viewed as a bribe for the vote if the IRFU agreed to pay the WRU a percentage of the profits. World Rugby were not happy about that. Nothing to do with the IRFU not wanting to pay it and we should all be glad of that.
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Post by Sin é on Sat 28 Jan 2017, 2:23 pm

nlpnlp wrote:Having a big collection of local fans to fill the stadia for the Georgia v Latvia games is a bonus, but not essential.  The cash cows are the TV deals ie what England and France are willing to pay because the timing of the games fits in with our time zone.  And the tourist benefits for which the government will pay for.  So having lots of hotels for which visitors are happy to pay big bucks for.  Renting a campervan is great, but it won't make great money for you (eg New Zealand).  So world cups will come back to England because that is where the big money is.  World cups will go to SA, NZ and Aus because they are "big" rugby nations.  Going to Japan and other expansion countries will be a 1 in 5 or 6 event.  So you are looking at England/France occurring every 3 world cups; a southern hemisphere country 1 in every 3 and ano 1 in every 3.

The Olympics opens up new countries and I think will be the area to concentrate on for spreading the gospel.

Ireland would be a great venue for a world cup, but there would have to be questions about the infrastructure - adequate hotels, even quality of roads to get to Castlebar, etc.  Are their hotel rooms for 100,000+ people, especially adequate rooms outside of Dublin and Belfast?

Seemingly, World Rugby want to crack the US and Ireland are seen as one of the keys and a reason why Ireland played NZ in Chicago.

Ireland has great infrastructure with airports all over the place so that people can fly in from anywhere in Europe on a day trip if they want to. For instance, Knock International Airport is 30km from Castlebar and Croke Park is 20 minutes from Dublin Airport. It is probably easier to get to France/UK than it is to get from the North Island to South Island in New Zealand.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Sun 29 Jan 2017, 7:22 pm

One fly in the ointment.

No Stormont Government will mean no Casement rebuild or Derry upgrade.

A credible set of venues in the North is central to the bid.

Not wishing to start a political debate but spoke to some significant Shinners last night - the DUP have to move a long way before Sinn Fein will rejoin the executive - I'm not hopeful

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Post by Pot Hale on Sun 29 Jan 2017, 8:12 pm

wayne wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

Eh no. They were called out by WR and a number of unions on being conflicted with a supposed formal agreement in place.  So they were forced to make a formal board decision and public statement on the issue.  The Wales Online leak was a bad move.

The Wales online leak wasn't a leak. It was taken from a formal statement on the WRU website. The same formal agreement with the IRFU was the same one that was put in place with the RFU and the FRFU, who were prepared to honour their side of the agreement, but obviously the IRFU were not.

That just about sums up the morals of the IRFU.  

What formal statement from the WRU, Wayne? I wasn't aware they had made one. Wales Online ran with this story in mid Dec last year saying they had seen a copy of the formal agreement and quoted from it. Who gave them this copy? It's not on the WRU website.

The IRFU issued a statement in response to the WO story but the WRU refused to comment, according to WO. Then a few weeks later, the WRU made a clarifying statement saying they would support the best bid regardless of any agreement in place. Then, with other bidding unions including IRFU getting more concerned at the undermining of the bid and selection process, World Rugby stepped in and the WRU board decided that it had already received sufficient compensation and won't be seeking to enforce it with IRFU. There was an added concern was that the WRU was seeking to have matches in the Millennium again as part of its voting commitment - a strict no-no this time with single union bids being required and all matches to be played in the successful union's territory.

World Rugby issued a statement welcoming the decision by the WRU board citing the need to have the selection process transparent.
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Post by wayne on Sun 29 Jan 2017, 8:38 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
wayne wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

Eh no. They were called out by WR and a number of unions on being conflicted with a supposed formal agreement in place.  So they were forced to make a formal board decision and public statement on the issue.  The Wales Online leak was a bad move.

The Wales online leak wasn't a leak. It was taken from a formal statement on the WRU website. The same formal agreement with the IRFU was the same one that was put in place with the RFU and the FRFU, who were prepared to honour their side of the agreement, but obviously the IRFU were not.

That just about sums up the morals of the IRFU.  

What formal statement from the WRU, Wayne?   I wasn't aware they had made one. Wales Online ran with this story in mid Dec last year saying they had seen a copy of the formal agreement and quoted from it.  Who gave them this copy?   It's not on the WRU website.

You need to take your blinkers off PH, it was put on their web page on the 27th and is still on there, and was put before the WRU committee the night before. The decision by the WRU was not put before the Committee in December last year, there might have been disquiet in certain quarters about the agreement, but the decision not to go forward with the arrangement was taken on the 26th of January 2017.

The IRFU issued a statement in response to the WO story but the WRU refused to comment, according to WO.   Then a few weeks later, the WRU made a clarifying statement saying they would support the best bid regardless of any agreement in place.   Then, with other bidding unions including IRFU getting more concerned at the undermining of the bid and selection process, World Rugby stepped in and the WRU board decided that it had already received sufficient compensation and won't be seeking to enforce it with IRFU.  There was an added concern was that the WRU was seeking to have matches in the Millennium again as part of its voting commitment -  a strict no-no this time with single union bids being required and all matches to be played in the successful union's territory.

World Rugby issued a statement welcoming the decision by the WRU board citing the need to have the selection process transparent.  

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Post by wayne on Sun 29 Jan 2017, 8:59 pm

[quote="wayne"]
Pot Hale wrote:
wayne wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

Eh no. They were called out by WR and a number of unions on being conflicted with a supposed formal agreement in place.  So they were forced to make a formal board decision and public statement on the issue.  The Wales Online leak was a bad move.

The Wales online leak wasn't a leak. It was taken from a formal statement on the WRU website. The same formal agreement with the IRFU was the same one that was put in place with the RFU and the FRFU, who were prepared to honour their side of the agreement, but obviously the IRFU were not.

That just about sums up the morals of the IRFU.  

What formal statement from the WRU, Wayne?   I wasn't aware they had made one. Wales Online ran with this story in mid Dec last year saying they had seen a copy of the formal agreement and quoted from it.  Who gave them this copy?   It's not on the WRU website.

You need to take your blinkers off PH, it was put on their web page on the 27th and is still on there, and was put before the WRU committee the night before. The decision by the WRU was not put before the Committee in December last year, there might have been disquiet in certain quarters about the agreement, but the decision not to go forward with the arrangement was taken on the 26th of January 2017.  

The IRFU issued a statement in response to the WO story but the WRU refused to comment, according to WO.   Then a few weeks later, the WRU made a clarifying statement saying they would support the best bid regardless of any agreement in place.   Then, with other bidding unions including IRFU getting more concerned at the undermining of the bid and selection process, World Rugby stepped in and the WRU board decided that it had already received sufficient compensation and won't be seeking to enforce it with IRFU.  There was an added concern was that the WRU was seeking to have matches in the Millennium again as part of its voting commitment -  a strict no-no this time with single union bids being required and all matches to be played in the successful union's territory.

World Rugby issued a statement welcoming the decision by the WRU board citing the need to have the selection process transparent.  

Sorry PH, This topic had it's last post prior to the 27th of January in October of last year. SFA in December and if the shenanigans that you talked about was in the public domain then, you lot would have made a lot of noise about it. Just because the IRFU refused to honour the agreement that was made in 1999, unlike the RFU and the FRFU, they (IRFU) went to their neighbours probably in the same building and probably the same staff, to make a fuss.
Why do you think the different organisations had the European club headquarters taken from your country? Why do you think you get the rumblings that our Club Competition is run by the Irish for the Irish?

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Post by Sin é on Sun 29 Jan 2017, 11:13 pm

[quote="wayne"]
wayne wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
wayne wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
True Raven wrote:My bet is that the WRU think the World Cup would be better staged somewhere else and don't want to be tied in to voting to Ireland

Eh no. They were called out by WR and a number of unions on being conflicted with a supposed formal agreement in place.  So they were forced to make a formal board decision and public statement on the issue.  The Wales Online leak was a bad move.

The Wales online leak wasn't a leak. It was taken from a formal statement on the WRU website. The same formal agreement with the IRFU was the same one that was put in place with the RFU and the FRFU, who were prepared to honour their side of the agreement, but obviously the IRFU were not.

That just about sums up the morals of the IRFU.  

What formal statement from the WRU, Wayne?   I wasn't aware they had made one. Wales Online ran with this story in mid Dec last year saying they had seen a copy of the formal agreement and quoted from it.  Who gave them this copy?   It's not on the WRU website.

You need to take your blinkers off PH, it was put on their web page on the 27th and is still on there, and was put before the WRU committee the night before. The decision by the WRU was not put before the Committee in December last year, there might have been disquiet in certain quarters about the agreement, but the decision not to go forward with the arrangement was taken on the 26th of January 2017.  

The IRFU issued a statement in response to the WO story but the WRU refused to comment, according to WO.   Then a few weeks later, the WRU made a clarifying statement saying they would support the best bid regardless of any agreement in place.   Then, with other bidding unions including IRFU getting more concerned at the undermining of the bid and selection process, World Rugby stepped in and the WRU board decided that it had already received sufficient compensation and won't be seeking to enforce it with IRFU.  There was an added concern was that the WRU was seeking to have matches in the Millennium again as part of its voting commitment -  a strict no-no this time with single union bids being required and all matches to be played in the successful union's territory.

World Rugby issued a statement welcoming the decision by the WRU board citing the need to have the selection process transparent.  

Sorry PH, This topic had it's last post prior to the 27th of January in October of last year. SFA in December and if the shenanigans that you talked about was in the public domain then, you lot would have made a lot of noise about it. Just because the IRFU refused to honour the agreement that was made in 1999, unlike the RFU and the FRFU, they (IRFU) went to their neighbours probably in the same building and probably the same staff, to make a fuss.
Why do you think the different organisations had the European club headquarters taken from your country? Why do you think you get the rumblings that our Club Competition is run by the Irish for the Irish?    

Seemingly, the chances are low that the IRFU will make a profit so I don't know what a bit deal it is.

Bearing in mind the problems with Football and the Olympics, I'd imagine World Rugby are being very careful to avoid any accusations of corruption or wheeling/dealing for votes.

Have you noticed any improvement in European Rugby since it has moved to Switzerland and its out of the sphere of influence of 'the Irish'.?

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Post by Sin é on Sun 29 Jan 2017, 11:15 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:One fly in the ointment.

No Stormont Government will mean no Casement rebuild or Derry upgrade.

A credible set of venues in the North is central to the bid.

Not wishing to start a political debate but spoke to some significant Shinners last night - the DUP have to move a long way before Sinn Fein will rejoin the executive - I'm not hopeful

Surely the money has already been granted (with Ulster Rugby and the IFA having already used their share)?

(I'm no fan of the Shinners, but my god, the DUP picard ).

You have my sympathy.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Mon 30 Jan 2017, 9:42 am

The money has been put to one side but the problems are considerable.

Some significant local opposition.
I am almost certain there is a time limit as to when it has to be spent by.

The biggy though is there is no one to sign on the dotted line and give it the go ahead.
It currently resides with the Government in Westminster and to say the least not top of their priority list.
From my conversation on Saturday my understanding is no Stormont, no Casement

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Post by Sin é on Mon 30 Jan 2017, 10:07 am

Wouldn't the Secretary of State for NI be able to sign it. How did it work before the present arrangement?
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Post by rodders on Mon 30 Jan 2017, 10:56 am

Sin é wrote:Wouldn't the Secretary of State for NI be able to sign it. How did it work before the present arrangement?

Before the present arrangement we blew existing buildings up, rather than rebuilding them.
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Post by SecretFly on Mon 30 Jan 2017, 11:04 am

More 'bad' news???

Yep, the world is officially nuts.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Mon 30 Jan 2017, 11:15 am

You would hope so but to be honest, tight budgets, border issues from Brexit, will take priority.

There is still a lot to be resolved regarding Casement and I just don't believe it will get to the stage of being ready to commence building.

The plan was to start this year and finish in 2019 - slim to none I reckon.
This has been dragging on for 3 years now and will continue.
The residents opposition remains significant and even if the Secretary of State committed to the £77 million of public finances being spent, unlikely in my view he would not want to be associated with such a project, legal challenges from local residence is a racing certainty.
All adds up to considerable delay and as I say there is a time after which the money is not available - will try and find out what that is

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Post by Sin é on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 5:59 pm

Casement redevelopment re submitted for Planning today as a 34K stadium. Money (80m) seems to be in place and should be ready to host Rugby World Cup 23 (according to RTE Radio).
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Post by Shifty on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 8:04 pm

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LordDowlais wrote:Once again UK money is to be used to subsidise Irish rugby. Rolling Eyes


Probably like English money being used to subsidise the whole existence of Wales

If you checked your facts you'd know full well if Wales ever got independence all they'd have to do is deport the 10% of their population that's English, most of which is elderly, and quadruple most of Englands water bill.  Manchester, Liverpool, the midlands and black country all get their water from Wales.  Secondly something like 35-40% of Welsh youth go to England to work and study, while we take in English pensioners, which increases costs, and hence why the average age of Wales is much higher than England.  

Even London have made overtures over the years for Wales to supply them with water, as Londons water reserves have not been over 40% for decades, while Wales has never dropped below 98%.  Welsh Water told them to stuff off as their piping is so bad most of Londons water is lost due to leakage.  

England needs Wales far more than Wales needs England.  It's basically why power NEVER gets devolved to the Welsh assembly and why there are 68 areas of devolved responsibility that are red lines for Westminster.  Scotland on the other hand was given all of these decisions for their own assembly.

As for the rugby, I thought everyone signed a legally binding contract in 1999 that if the Rugby World Cup was in Britain then Wales had to host their own pool games.
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Post by Gwlad on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 8:27 pm

Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

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Post by Munchkin on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 8:40 pm

It will grow it here. That's all that matters Cool


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Post by Munchkin on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 8:48 pm

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BamBam wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Once again UK money is to be used to subsidise Irish rugby. Rolling Eyes


Probably like English money being used to subsidise the whole existence of Wales

If you checked your facts you'd know full well if Wales ever got independence all they'd have to do is deport the 10% of their population that's English, most of which is elderly, and quadruple most of Englands water bill.  Manchester, Liverpool, the midlands and black country all get their water from Wales.  Secondly something like 35-40% of Welsh youth go to England to work and study, while we take in English pensioners, which increases costs, and hence why the average age of Wales is much higher than England.  

Even London have made overtures over the years for Wales to supply them with water, as Londons water reserves have not been over 40% for decades, while Wales has never dropped below 98%.  Welsh Water told them to stuff off as their piping is so bad most of Londons water is lost due to leakage.  

England needs Wales far more than Wales needs England.  It's basically why power NEVER gets devolved to the Welsh assembly and why there are 68 areas of devolved responsibility that are red lines for Westminster.  Scotland on the other hand was given all of these decisions for their own assembly.

As for the rugby, I thought everyone signed a legally binding contract in 1999 that if the Rugby World Cup was in Britain then Wales had to host their own pool games.  

Ireland isn't part of Britain, but I get your point.

The agreement was that Wales get some games, or 20% of net profit. World Rugby are now saying that they want the competition to be held in one Country, and not shared. So Wales won't get to host any of the games.

.... and you're not getting the 20% net profit either. It's all ours Cool

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:00 pm

Gwlad wrote:Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

..with a few Principality games for you guys. Wink

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Post by doctor_grey on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:22 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

..with a few Principality games for you guys. Wink
I believe some pool games in the Japan RWC will be played at Principality Stadium (with the roof closed).

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Post by Sin é on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:24 pm

Gwlad wrote:Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

Actually, World Rugby see Ireland as the key to developing the sport in the US & Canada because of the close ties between Ireland and the USA. Its why Ireland has recently played the ABs in Chicago (and for the record, the attendance between the ABs & Ireland was better than the attendance between the ABs & USA)!

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Post by Gwlad on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:31 pm

Sin é wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

Actually, World Rugby see Ireland as the key to developing the sport in the US & Canada because of the close ties between Ireland and the USA. Its why Ireland has recently played the ABs in Chicago (and for the record, the attendance between the ABs & Ireland was better than the attendance between the ABs & USA)!


who told you this, God himself?

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:35 pm

Gwlad wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

Actually, World Rugby see Ireland as the key to developing the sport in the US & Canada because of the close ties between Ireland and the USA. Its why Ireland has recently played the ABs in Chicago (and for the record, the attendance between the ABs & Ireland was better than the attendance between the ABs & USA)!


who told you this, God himself?

No there was actually a game in Chicago, you may have heard about it. We beat the ABs.

Ireland will be going back in June too

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:36 pm

Sin é wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

Actually, World Rugby see Ireland as the key to developing the sport in the US & Canada because of the close ties between Ireland and the USA. Its why Ireland has recently played the ABs in Chicago (and for the record, the attendance between the ABs & Ireland was better than the attendance between the ABs & USA)!


Close ties? Kenny is being threatened that he won't get back into Ireland if he goes and breaks bread with the Great Satan Trump in the White House. Better keep World Rugby misinformed about that stuff until after we win the bid... Whistle

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:37 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

Actually, World Rugby see Ireland as the key to developing the sport in the US & Canada because of the close ties between Ireland and the USA. Its why Ireland has recently played the ABs in Chicago (and for the record, the attendance between the ABs & Ireland was better than the attendance between the ABs & USA)!


who told you this, God himself?

No there was actually a game in Chicago, you may have heard about it. We beat the ABs.

Ireland will be going back in June too

Who are we playing in June?

The real ABs? I think so. They're leaving the 3rd string back home to cope with the Lions Run

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:39 pm

Ireland make a stop to play the US before heading to Japan

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Post by doctor_grey on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:43 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Hardly growing the sport is it, a RWC in Ireland. About time we moved it across the pad to Argentina and USA.

Actually, World Rugby see Ireland as the key to developing the sport in the US & Canada because of the close ties between Ireland and the USA. Its why Ireland has recently played the ABs in Chicago (and for the record, the attendance between the ABs & Ireland was better than the attendance between the ABs & USA)!


Close ties?  Kenny is being threatened that he won't get back into Ireland if he goes and breaks bread with the Great Satan Trump in the White House.  Better keep World Rugby misinformed about that stuff until after we win the bid... Whistle
To be fair, the view from where I live in New Jersey is Trump is actually not a 'great' satan, but a rather mediocre one, albeit a rather loud one.  No one wants to call him great at anything.

Both matches with the ABs in Chicago were sellouts.  Soldier Field either added a few more seats or allowed a few more SROs for the Ireland match.  Regardless, the difference in attendance was rather small between the games.  But the point is still good.  A lot of Americans went to see big time Rugby matches in America.  A RWC in Ireland will be a blast and Americans will go.  Adverts for visiting Ireland are almost as common over here as adverts for McDonalds and adverts for ED.  In a RWC in Ireland there will be  great sucking sound of American dollars crossing the Atlantic to fill the coffers.

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Post by Gwlad on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 10:41 pm

Such a dreadful waste to have an RWC in Ireland but i do love the fact that the irish think its somehow a honor that World Rugby are using them to grow USA rugby, must be a joke in there somewhere.


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Post by SecretFly on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 11:18 pm

Gwlad wrote:Such a dreadful waste to have an RWC in Ireland but i do love the fact that the irish think its somehow a honor that World Rugby are using them to grow USA rugby, must be a joke in there somewhere.


What would the joke be? I'd like a laugh. It's late, I've been listening to depressing news.

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Post by doctor_grey on Wed 01 Mar 2017, 12:14 am

SecretFly wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Such a dreadful waste to have an RWC in Ireland but i do love the fact that the irish think its somehow a honor that World Rugby are using them to grow USA rugby, must be a joke in there somewhere.


What would the joke be?  I'd like a laugh.  It's late, I've been listening to depressing news.
Try living here brother. Sux.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:18 am

World Rugby needs World Cups to be a big financial success -England and France guarantee that.
Ireland would as well

A nation outside the big 9 are getting it in 2019 so a return to an established nation is a certainty

The only debate is will 2023 be Ireland or South Africa and given South African rugby is a total mess at the moment Ireland are the safe bet

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:23 am

geoff999rugby wrote:World Rugby needs World Cups to be a big financial success -England and France guarantee that.
Ireland would as well

A nation outside the big 9 are getting it in 2019 so a return to an established nation is a certainty

The only debate is will 2023 be Ireland or South Africa and given South African rugby is a total mess at the moment Ireland are the safe bet

Not sure I agree with this really. World rugby make their money from TV, sponsorship and the bid value. Gate receipts go to the hosts.

All nations tend to bid more or less the same amount which tends to be an increase on the last successful bid and sponsorship and TV money isnt particularly dependant on location of the tournament.

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Post by demosthenes on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:28 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:World Rugby needs World Cups to be a big financial success -England and France guarantee that.
Ireland would as well

A nation outside the big 9 are getting it in 2019 so a return to an established nation is a certainty

The only debate is will 2023 be Ireland or South Africa and given South African rugby is a total mess at the moment Ireland are the safe bet

Not sure I agree with this really. World rugby make their money from TV, sponsorship and the bid value. Gate receipts go to the hosts.

All nations tend to bid more or less the same amount which tends to be an increase on the last successful bid and sponsorship and TV money isnt particularly dependant on location of the tournament.

Have my doubts about that. I suspect you will get better TV bids if the games can be shown live at prime advertising times, so timezone is important.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:31 am

Yeah fair enough timezone may be important alright albeit NZs bid didnt suffer too much.

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Post by Rugbyjk on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 2:07 pm

I thought s.a. had retracted their bid as their quota figs hadn't been met? Or was that something else?

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Post by Golden on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 2:12 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:World Rugby needs World Cups to be a big financial success -England and France guarantee that.
Ireland would as well

A nation outside the big 9 are getting it in 2019 so a return to an established nation is a certainty

The only debate is will 2023 be Ireland or South Africa and given South African rugby is a total mess at the moment Ireland are the safe bet

Arent France still in the running?

If Casement Park doesnt happen what stadium will replace it? Presume our bid isnt entirely dependent on it been redeveloped?

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 2:22 pm

Golden wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:World Rugby needs World Cups to be a big financial success -England and France guarantee that.
Ireland would as well

A nation outside the big 9 are getting it in 2019 so a return to an established nation is a certainty

The only debate is will 2023 be Ireland or South Africa and given South African rugby is a total mess at the moment Ireland are the safe bet

Arent France still in the running?

If Casement Park doesnt happen what stadium will replace it? Presume our bid isnt entirely dependent on it been redeveloped?

Casement will happen, the question is just how many will it hold. The residents I think are asking for less than 30k and the GAA are wanting around 36k.

Recent bids have have a minimum of 12 stadiums, Ireland have 12 as part of their bid. I'd like to think they have a contingency, maybe somewhere like Clones though it would require floodlights.

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Post by Gwlad on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 2:57 pm

RWC Ireland, not very exotic is it. Bit like going to one of those Samoan pubs in East London where they serve drinks with umbrellas and there is painted beaches and palm trees on the wall.

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