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Post by Sin é on Mon 08 Aug 2016, 9:54 pm

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Venues announced and both Govs underwriting cost.


http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/government-to-underwrite-320m-in-bid-for-2023-rugby-world-cup-414609.html


Croke Park, The Aviva stadium, RDS in Dublin; (3)
Casement Park and Kingspan Stadium in Belfast (2)
Pairc Uí Chaoimh in Cork;

These include Croke Park, the Aviva Stadium and the RDS in Dublin;
Casement Park and Kingspan Stadium in Belfast;
Pairc Uí Chaoimh in Cork;
Thomond Park, Limerick;
Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney;
Pearse Stadium, Galway;
McHale Park in Castlebar;
Nowlan Park, Kilkenny;
and Celtic Park in Derry.

Great to see how evenly spread around the island (Derry & Kilkenny for example).

The operational costs for redeveloping some of these venues and bringing them up to standards and sizes for the tournament is estimated to cost in the region of €60m.

I think we have a good chance.

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Post by Cyril on Sat 15 Jul 2017, 10:23 am

Does the IRFU share a lot of ideals with DUP? I know some Irish fans on here are heavily in favour of them, but is it a widespread support?

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 2:00 pm

Cyril wrote:Does the IRFU share a lot of ideals with DUP? I know some Irish fans on here are heavily in favour of them, but is it a widespread support?

The IRFU are more interested in inclusion so no the IRFU and the DUP have very little in common, though there have been a couple of DUP sympathisers playing for Ireland over the years. Davy Tweed for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Tweed

Id imagine most rugby fans are as embarrassed by the DUP as they are by Sinn Fein. Its fairly deplorable that the Tories would jump into bed with them but not at all surprising. Not sure who the Ireland fans in favour of the DUP are but each to their own.

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Post by beshocked on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 2:59 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:Does the IRFU share a lot of ideals with DUP? I know some Irish fans on here are heavily in favour of them, but is it a widespread support?

The IRFU are more interested in inclusion so no the IRFU and the DUP have very little in common, though there have been a couple of DUP sympathisers playing for Ireland over the years. Davy Tweed for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Tweed

Id imagine most rugby fans are as embarrassed by the DUP as they are by Sinn Fein. Its fairly deplorable that the Tories would jump into bed with them but not at all surprising. Not sure who the Ireland fans in favour of the DUP are but each to their own.

Corbyn has been in bed with Sinn Fein for years by choice, Tories being forced to compromise with the DUP is not the same thing.

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Post by marty2086 on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 3:00 pm

beshocked wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:Does the IRFU share a lot of ideals with DUP? I know some Irish fans on here are heavily in favour of them, but is it a widespread support?

The IRFU are more interested in inclusion so no the IRFU and the DUP have very little in common, though there have been a couple of DUP sympathisers playing for Ireland over the years. Davy Tweed for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Tweed

Id imagine most rugby fans are as embarrassed by the DUP as they are by Sinn Fein. Its fairly deplorable that the Tories would jump into bed with them but not at all surprising. Not sure who the Ireland fans in favour of the DUP are but each to their own.

Corbyn has been in bed with Sinn Fein for years by choice, Tories being forced to compromise with the DUP is not the same thing.

I love people waking up to Irish politics and really not having a clue Rolling Eyes

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 3:05 pm

beshocked wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:Does the IRFU share a lot of ideals with DUP? I know some Irish fans on here are heavily in favour of them, but is it a widespread support?

The IRFU are more interested in inclusion so no the IRFU and the DUP have very little in common, though there have been a couple of DUP sympathisers playing for Ireland over the years. Davy Tweed for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Tweed

Id imagine most rugby fans are as embarrassed by the DUP as they are by Sinn Fein. Its fairly deplorable that the Tories would jump into bed with them but not at all surprising. Not sure who the Ireland fans in favour of the DUP are but each to their own.

Corbyn has been in bed with Sinn Fein for years by choice, Tories being forced to compromise with the DUP is not the same thing.

The Tories would sell their grannies for power. No shame.

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Post by beshocked on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 3:56 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
beshocked wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:Does the IRFU share a lot of ideals with DUP? I know some Irish fans on here are heavily in favour of them, but is it a widespread support?

The IRFU are more interested in inclusion so no the IRFU and the DUP have very little in common, though there have been a couple of DUP sympathisers playing for Ireland over the years. Davy Tweed for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Tweed

Id imagine most rugby fans are as embarrassed by the DUP as they are by Sinn Fein. Its fairly deplorable that the Tories would jump into bed with them but not at all surprising. Not sure who the Ireland fans in favour of the DUP are but each to their own.

Corbyn has been in bed with Sinn Fein for years by choice, Tories being forced to compromise with the DUP is not the same thing.

The Tories would sell their grannies for power. No shame.


On the contrary I would it's Corbyn who has been the main politician hungry for power, irrespective of the destruction his actions will cause. You could see how highly he sees himself after being praised by some of his supporters at Glastonbury. Bribing the young with promises he'd struggle to keep if actually elected.

Corbyn has allowed Brexit to happen in his bid for power, he doesn't seem to be embarrassed by that. He has been one of the key architects of Brexit, he is pro-Brexit and many of his pro-EU supporters don't seem to have realised it.

Whilst I think May has been a weak figure, she did take up the thankless poisoned chalice of trying to negotiate Brexit (something she didn't vote for).

In a horrible situation where we have a PM who didn't vote Brexit being propped up by the DUP having to negotiate with the EU who won't give the UK a good deal.

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Post by marty2086 on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 4:01 pm

beshocked wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
beshocked wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:Does the IRFU share a lot of ideals with DUP? I know some Irish fans on here are heavily in favour of them, but is it a widespread support?

The IRFU are more interested in inclusion so no the IRFU and the DUP have very little in common, though there have been a couple of DUP sympathisers playing for Ireland over the years. Davy Tweed for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Tweed

Id imagine most rugby fans are as embarrassed by the DUP as they are by Sinn Fein. Its fairly deplorable that the Tories would jump into bed with them but not at all surprising. Not sure who the Ireland fans in favour of the DUP are but each to their own.

Corbyn has been in bed with Sinn Fein for years by choice, Tories being forced to compromise with the DUP is not the same thing.

The Tories would sell their grannies for power. No shame.


On the contrary I would it's Corbyn who has been the main politician hungry for power, irrespective of the destruction his actions will cause. You could see how highly he sees himself after being praised by some of his supporters at Glastonbury. Bribing the young with promises he'd struggle to keep if actually elected.

Corbyn has allowed Brexit to happen in his bid for power, he doesn't seem to be embarrassed by that. He has been one of the key architects of Brexit, he is pro-Brexit and many of his pro-EU supporters don't seem to have realised it.

Whilst I think May has been a weak figure, she did take up the thankless poisoned chalice of trying to negotiate Brexit (something she didn't vote for).

In a horrible situation where we have a PM who didn't vote Brexit being propped up by the DUP having to negotiate with the EU who won't give the UK a good deal.

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Post by Cyril on Mon 17 Jul 2017, 10:53 pm

marty, are you DUP?

If so, will this help Irish rugby?

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 9:00 am

Cyril wrote:marty, are you DUP?

If so, will this help Irish rugby?

Go back to bed Cyril.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 9:39 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:marty, are you DUP?

If so, will this help Irish rugby?

Go back to bed Cyril.

Just as well I've Cyril blocked, another clueless one Rolling Eyes

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Post by Cyril on Tue 18 Jul 2017, 10:34 am

It was Irish Londoner who brought up the DUP angel

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Post by Sin é on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 3:49 pm

The newly redeveloped Pairc ui Chaoimh (in Cork) is looking good today.

Tipperary looking better than usual.
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Post by wolfball on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 3:27 pm

marty2086 wrote:

Looks great! That's the most modern GAA stadium I have seen. Keeps the terraces as well. Hope it is finished in time!

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Post by Big on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 3:44 pm

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Corbyn has allowed Brexit to happen in his bid for power, he doesn't seem to be embarrassed by that. He has been one of the key architects of Brexit, he is pro-Brexit and many of his pro-EU supporters don't seem to have realised it.


So, the Tories propose an EU referendum, they then pass the legislation to run that referendum with none of the controls that normally go with what is effectively a constitutional decision, and to make it worse absolutely no plan either in no. 10 or within the leadership of Vote Leave on what to do if the vote was to leave. The PM then heads a piss poor remain campaign and does a runner when he loses. But Corbyn, who was never a big fan and had no reason to be a cheerleader for the EU, is the one that 'allowed' this to happen. Yeah, right.

I was in favour of leaving (on a Norway type deal) but voted to remain because I thought the Tories were incompetent and would mess it up and leave us all in a much worse position. As of yet I have seen no evidence that I was wrong.


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Post by aucklandlaurie on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 6:53 pm

Big wrote:
beshocked wrote:

Corbyn has allowed Brexit to happen in his bid for power, he doesn't seem to be embarrassed by that. He has been one of the key architects of Brexit, he is pro-Brexit and many of his pro-EU supporters don't seem to have realised it.


So, the Tories propose an EU referendum, they then pass the legislation to run that referendum with none of the controls that normally go with what is effectively a constitutional decision, and to make it worse absolutely no plan either in no. 10 or within the leadership of Vote Leave on what to do if the vote was to leave.  The PM then heads a piss poor remain campaign and does a runner when he loses.  But Corbyn, who was never a big fan and had no reason to be a cheerleader for the EU, is the one that 'allowed' this to happen.  Yeah, right.

I was in favour of leaving (on a Norway type deal) but voted to remain because I thought the Tories were incompetent and would mess it up and leave us all in a much worse position.  As of yet I have seen no evidence that I was wrong.    


 I would have thought that if anyone 'allowed' this to happen it was the UK voting public.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 9:58 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Big wrote:
beshocked wrote:

Corbyn has allowed Brexit to happen in his bid for power, he doesn't seem to be embarrassed by that. He has been one of the key architects of Brexit, he is pro-Brexit and many of his pro-EU supporters don't seem to have realised it.


So, the Tories propose an EU referendum, they then pass the legislation to run that referendum with none of the controls that normally go with what is effectively a constitutional decision, and to make it worse absolutely no plan either in no. 10 or within the leadership of Vote Leave on what to do if the vote was to leave.  The PM then heads a piss poor remain campaign and does a runner when he loses.  But Corbyn, who was never a big fan and had no reason to be a cheerleader for the EU, is the one that 'allowed' this to happen.  Yeah, right.

I was in favour of leaving (on a Norway type deal) but voted to remain because I thought the Tories were incompetent and would mess it up and leave us all in a much worse position.  As of yet I have seen no evidence that I was wrong.    


 I would have thought that if anyone 'allowed' this to happen it was the UK voting public.

I blame the English and the Welsh Little Englanders

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Post by beshocked on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 10:32 am

Big wrote:
beshocked wrote:

Corbyn has allowed Brexit to happen in his bid for power, he doesn't seem to be embarrassed by that. He has been one of the key architects of Brexit, he is pro-Brexit and many of his pro-EU supporters don't seem to have realised it.


So, the Tories propose an EU referendum, they then pass the legislation to run that referendum with none of the controls that normally go with what is effectively a constitutional decision, and to make it worse absolutely no plan either in no. 10 or within the leadership of Vote Leave on what to do if the vote was to leave.  The PM then heads a piss poor remain campaign and does a runner when he loses.  But Corbyn, who was never a big fan and had no reason to be a cheerleader for the EU, is the one that 'allowed' this to happen.  Yeah, right.

I was in favour of leaving (on a Norway type deal) but voted to remain because I thought the Tories were incompetent and would mess it up and leave us all in a much worse position.  As of yet I have seen no evidence that I was wrong.    



Big the referendum was part of the Conservative manifesto - it was ironically one rare moment of a party not U turning.

I think you'll find that it was disgruntled Labour supporters who swung the vote in favour of Brexit.

Corbyn wanted Brexit to happen.

There was not an united front. Credit where's it due there was a more united front during the Scottish independence talks.

I agree the Remain campaign was poor but there was no help from Corbyn. Of course as an Eurosceptic it is not that surprising.


I voted to remain because whilst I am no fan of the bureaucratic EU, the status quo was superior to the uncertainty we now have.

The uncertainty continues because of Corbyn's ability of convince people that he owns a magic money tree.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 10:38 am

Corbyn wanted Brexit to happen despite campaigning more than most against it? Erm

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 10:41 am

Corbyn did want brexit. His whole career he campaigned/voted against the eu.

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Post by beshocked on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 10:51 am

marty2086 wrote:Corbyn wanted Brexit to happen despite campaigning more than most against it? Erm

Corbyn's efforts were halfhearted.

An economist article summed it up nicely.

There was a lot of criticism of Corbyn and rightly so.

Type into google corbyn absent from remain campaign and many articles pop up.

https://www.ft.com/content/9a657dd6-2ef9-11e6-a18d-a96ab29e3c95

FT too.


no 7 & 1/2 well said. OK

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Post by Cyril on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 10:54 am

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It all looks a bit 80s/90s Headscratch

Check out some of the Japanese equivalents. Now that's state of the art!

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 10:54 am

No he voted against the EEC and criticised the EU, just as I have done myself. I still voted and supported Remain.

Only Cameron and Osbourne attended more Remain events

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 10:58 am

He led poorly. And continues to lead poorly. I doubt Corbyn voted remain. Magic money tree though beshocked, is owned by the tories at the moment!

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 11:04 am

So you believe a self appointed conclusion that matches your opinion, theres a shock

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 11:09 am

He's not a fan. I barely saw him during the campaigning and I'm someone who actually bothered to follow he whole thing. If he did support remaining he made a very poor job of getting that clear message out.

It's not his overall fault though as he wasn't leading the campaign.

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Post by beshocked on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 11:10 am

With all due respect marty you aren't someone who can potentially sway discontented Labour voters into going with the party line.

Corbyn didn't stand side by side with Cameron or Osbourne did he?

Bear in mind Corbyn as the leader of the Labour Party has a significant voice.

An united front is not something we had then or have now. I lay the blame for that on Corbyn. Forget party politics - there should be a plan to try and move forwards - move away from the political games.

The problem is that Corbyn doesn't want unity.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 11:24 am

Or move us backwards to staying in the eu. Hard situation seeing as brexit doesn't fall to normal party allegiance so not that easy to take a position which would benefit the long term.

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Post by Sin é on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 12:11 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:He led poorly. And continues to lead poorly.  I doubt Corbyn voted remain. Magic money tree though beshocked, is owned by the tories at the moment!

The magic money tree isn't going to last long either way once the UK is out of the EU. The choice is a race to the bottom aided by the Tories with great assistance from the British newspapers owners or a bit of disappointment with Corbyn over university fees.
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Post by Big on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 2:18 pm

Sin é wrote:

The magic money tree isn't going to last long either way once the UK is out of the EU. The choice is a race to the bottom aided by the Tories with great assistance from the British newspapers owners or a bit of disappointment with Corbyn over university fees.

Well summarised really. And FYI we don't need to worry about the magic money tree, they are surpisingly common (every political party seems to have one, if not a whole a copse full) and are typically found next to magic brexit trees - that grow favourable trade deals with everything you want and no concessions, and come presigned by all European heads of state so those slippery foreigners can't get out of it. It's all going to be just fine.

On a more serious note, and getting back to the thread topic - I do hope Ireland get 2023 and looked forward to heading over there if they do. Great place and great people in my limited experience. I shan't worry too much about the Brexit effect, as the EU can block an EU wide deal that would allow us an open border with Ireland - but they can't actually force us or the Irish to close the border if no such deal is reached (and as neither we nor the Irish have any reason or desire to do so I can't think of any reason it would happen - perhaps naïve, but that's how I see it).

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 2:43 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:He's not a fan. I barely saw him during the campaigning and I'm someone who actually bothered to follow he whole thing. If he did support remaining he made a very poor job of getting that clear message out.

It's not his overall fault though as he wasn't leading the campaign.

He wasn't covered by the media, theres a difference between not doing it and not being covered doing it

123 official appearances in less than 6 weeks

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 2:51 pm

Ah yeah. Mainstream bad. Fake news etc.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 3:12 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ah yeah. Mainstream bad. Fake news etc.

picard

Or maybe something to do with a lot going on at the time and most news broadcasts having limited time?


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 3:26 pm

For the labour leader. He really does need to work on that. Or preferably resign so we can get someone who is actually good.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 3:33 pm

Work on getting coverage of events from over a year ago?

Im sure he'll make it a priority

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 25 Jul 2017, 3:41 pm

No work on his relationship with the media. It's terrible on the whole and comes across as argumentative. He has failed to bring the party together and relies on mps who are not in the top of their class on the whole for his shadow cabinet. As I said though I can hardly blame him for brexit or the aftermath as he wasn't the leader of the campaign or in power now. I don't hink he'll be key in getting the WC to ireland either!

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