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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 16 Aug 2016, 11:33 am

Fixtures:

ONE DAY INTERNATIONAL SERIES

Wednesday 24th August 2016 14:00
Venue: The Ageas Bowl

Saturday 27th August 2016 10:30
Venue: Lord's

Tuesday 30th August 2016 14:00
Venue: Trent Bridge

Thursday 1st September 2016 14:00
Venue: Headingley Carnegie

Sunday 4th September 2016 10:30
Venue: The SWALEC Stadium


INTERNATIONAL TWENTY20 SERIES

Wednesday 7th September 2016 18:30
Venue: Emirates Old Trafford


Squads:

England ODI: E Morgan (capt) (Middlesex), M Ali (Worcestershire), J Bairstow (Yorkshire), J Buttler (Lancashire), L Dawson (Hampshire), C Jordan (Sussex), A Hales (Nottinghamshire), L Plunkett (Yorkshire), A Rashid (Yorkshire), J Root (Yorkshire), J Roy (Surrey), B Stokes (Durham), D Willey (Yorkshire), C Woakes (Warwickshire), M Wood (Durham).


England T20: TBC


Pakistan ODI: Azhar Ali (capt), Sharjeel Khan, Sami Aslam, Mohammad Hafeez, Babar Azam, Shoaib Malik, Sarfraz Ahmed, Mohammad Rizwan, Mohammad Amir, Wahab Riaz, Umar Gul, Hasan Ali, Imad Wasim, Yasir Shah, Mohammad Nawaz

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 16 Aug 2016, 11:40 am

As widely predicted James Vince let out after appearing against Sri Lanka. Despite strong performances for the Lions, and massive pundit support, no place for Ben Duckett just yet. Following a fine debut in the T20 game against Sri Lanka Liam Dawson is called up to the 50 over team, and is joined by fit again Durham pair Stokes and Wood.

Possible lineup for game 1:

Roy, Hales, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Jordan, Willey, Plunkett, Rashid.

With Bairstow (reserve batter and keeper) possibly not featuring, Dawson (reserve spinner) and Woakes (reserve seamer) making an odd game. Wood probably interchangeable with Plunkett

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 16 Aug 2016, 12:02 pm

I'd like to have seen Root/Bairstow given a rest and Billings/Duckett included in the squad

Surprised none of the Lions batsmen (DBD as well) didn't get a shot and a little disappointed

But there is a super series to be won I guess Wink
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Post by alfie on Tue 16 Aug 2016, 12:42 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:I'd like to have seen Root/Bairstow given a rest and Billings/Duckett included in the squad

Surprised none of the Lions batsmen (DBD as well) didn't get a shot and a little disappointed

But there is a super series to be won I guess Wink

Id really like Root to have had a rest. But you're right about the super series...I guess they have to take it seriously , especially after the Tests resulted in a drawn series.

Cant really complain about that squad though.

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 16 Aug 2016, 1:42 pm

I woulodve liked them to give either Malan or Ducket a look as outside bolters for the winter tours. I know they very much want to get away from treating ODIs as a proving ground for potential test players but both of those scored big runs for the lions in List A games. If theres any point in having a development A team then players have to get promoted to the senior squad when performing.
That said England have done well with this squad, and theres not obvious poeple to drop to give them a chance. Resting Root could have been considered, but its obviously felt he doesnt need it at this point.
Ansari too, as a potential winter tourist it would be nice to see him given another chance

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Post by Jetty on Thu 18 Aug 2016, 1:15 am

I think the fast bowlers will be Willey, Woakes, Plunkett, Stokes. The next likely bowler will be Wood. Would be surprised to see Jordan. Willey because he takes early wickets, Woakes because he is having a fine season and has troubled the Pakistanis. Plunkett because he and Willey took the most wickets against Sri Lanka. If we win most of the games Wood might get a go.

Pakistan are ahead of us in the Test rankings at number 2 but in the ODIs they are 9th with only Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Ireland below them.

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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 18 Aug 2016, 11:32 am

Jetty wrote:I think the fast bowlers will be Willey, Woakes, Plunkett, Stokes. The next likely bowler will be Wood. Would be surprised to see Jordan. Willey because he takes early wickets, Woakes because he is having a fine season and has troubled the Pakistanis. Plunkett because he and Willey took the most wickets against Sri Lanka. If we win most of the games Wood might get a go.

Pakistan are ahead of us in the Test rankings at number 2 but in the ODIs they are 9th with only Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Ireland below them.

Jordan ...god I hope he doenst get in the ODI side again. Yes he can field. Yes he won fans over with a specilist bowling role and taking a lot of wickets at the T20, but his returns in the 50 over game were pretty woeful.
I notice cricinfo have finaly stopped listing him as an allrounder, he really was massively overatted with the bat.

With Stokes Woakes Plunkett Willey Rashid and Ali available England could easily field 6 proper bowling options and have batting at 11.

Roy (39)
Hales (36)
Root (45)
Morgan (36) (should be Bairstow but hi Captain!)
Buttler (37)
Ali (26)
Woakes (23)
Stokes (21)
Plunkett (22)
Rashid (24)
Willey (13)

If they all make their average thats 322 on the board without extras. What England may lack in superstar bowlers they gain in all rounders and ballance. I'd still like to see Broad come back into contention though

Pakistan really havent had a great record in ODIs recently or over the last couple of years. They lost their last 5 completed games and the series at "home" to England ended 1-4 with some real thumpings.
England conversly come in off the back of good series against Sri Lanka and Pakistan (lets just ignore SA Whistle )

The rankings might exageratte the gap a bit but Im pretty confident that England have the better side if they choose to pick their A team rather than trying out the kids , not to say that shouldn't be an option.

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 20 Aug 2016, 3:48 pm

Pak wallop Ire by quarter of a thousand runs laughing

they have in the ODIs what they were missing sorely I though in tests....allrounders

Imad wasim and Mod Nawaz are SLA allrounders with a decent FC record
and they have Shoaib who is a world class spin bowling allrounder

Looks like their selectors hae noted the defficiency are using these ODIs to track down an allrounder for tests
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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 21 Aug 2016, 4:01 pm

David Willey ruled out after breaking bones in his bowling hand yesterday. Replaced by Jake Ball.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 8:43 am

KP_fan wrote:

Looks like their selectors hae noted the defficiency  are using these ODIs to track down an allrounder for tests

Or possibly to win ODIs

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 11:14 am

Morgan's ODI form has not been great in 2016 - but since he became captain England have started to look like a proper ODI team whilst only Root (admittedly from 5 fewer games) and Hales have scored more than him.

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 11:49 am

Will be very interesting to see how the experiment goes with 3rd umpire watching all the time for no balls. Can see the possibility of bowlers getting put off their stride (literally) if they get called several times in quick succession.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 1:01 pm

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:Will be very interesting to see how the experiment goes with 3rd umpire watching all the time for no balls. Can see the possibility of bowlers getting put off their stride (literally) if they get called several times in quick succession.

Good thing I say - never understood why they haven't done it before with the 3rd or even 4th umpire.
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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:17 pm

So long as it does not hold up play (so has to be clear on first look) I am a fan of this trial.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 3:40 pm

LondonTiger wrote:David Willey ruled out after breaking bones in his bowling hand yesterday. Replaced by Jake Ball.

Well it seems he may not have broken the hand after all, though further scans due when swelling has gone down a bit. Looks like Willey will rejoin the squad once declared fit.

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 23 Aug 2016, 8:37 pm

LondonTiger wrote:swelling .... Willey

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Post by robbo277 on Tue 23 Aug 2016, 10:00 pm

Can they not trial automatic technology like the goal line technology in football? So a light just beeps on the umpire's watch if there's nothing behind the line?

When I was watching the test series and everyone kept getting pulled up for running on the pitch, it made me think just how much umpires get done. They watch the front foot for a no-ball, watch the follow-through for someone running down the pitch and then what the ball does at the other end. The more we can take away from the standing umpire, the more decisions he can get correct at the business end of the pitch.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 9:15 am

The goal line technology does not differentiate between in the air or grounded.

I am happy for No-balls to be done by the off field umpire, but as I said earlier only calling clear ones for time reasons (unless wicket falls).

Agree that umpires have a lot to look at - it is amazing how well they do but understandable that at times they make some howlers.


Imagine for a quick bowler:

Front foot, running on wicket, pitch of the ball, hit pad, close to bat, stumps largely obscured, appeal - all in a fraction of a second. No action replay, no slow motion, no snicko, no hotspot - just one view of a situation with a lot of moving parts.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 1:34 pm

England: 1 Alex Hales, 2 Jason Roy, 3 Joe Root, 4 Eoin Morgan (capt), 5 Ben Stokes, 6 Jos Buttler (wk), 7 Moeen Ali, 8 Chris Woakes, 9 Adil Rashid, 10 Liam Plunkett, 11 Mark Wood

Pakistan 1 Sharjeel Khan, 2 Azhar Ali (capt), 3 Mohammad Hafeez, 4 Babar Azam, 5 Shoaib Malik, 6 Sarfraz Ahmed (wk), 7 Mohammad Nawaz, 8 Imad Wasim, 9 Wahab Riaz, 9 Umar Gul, 11 Mohammad Amir


Stokes plays as a specialist batter, ahead for YJB. Wood comes in for Jordan, Woakes for Willey from SL series.

A lot of ODI specialists for Pakistan and no Yasir Shah.


Pakistan win toss and choose to bat.

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 1:41 pm

Talk was of playing Dawson as a third spinner, usual hot air of course.

Only having Root as back up bowling does leave them a little exposed if (as is likely) 1 or more of the 5 bowlers get creamed.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 2:10 pm

Exciting first over from Wood.

Edging towards 95mph he goes for two fours - one a great pull, the othe an inside edge that just misses leg stump. Beaten for pace on 3 other occasions and a bouncer.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 2:24 pm

Fast bouncer beats Sharjeel's pull for pace and induces a very faint knick through to Buttler. Pakistan reviewed it, no hot spot but faint snicko sees 3rd Umpire uphold Simon Fry's decision.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 2:29 pm

Hales shells a chance at gulley, hit straight at him but he gestures that he did not see it. Saw it well enough to get hands to ball though.





And now Buttler drops one. The test disease spreading to the ODI team Sad

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 2:42 pm

And England lose their review too, with an Umpires Call on impact with the stumps. 49% of the ball hitting leg I reckon.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 3:51 pm

Azhar Ali currently 49 off 83 balls

An absolute stinker of an ODI innings is this
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 6:19 pm

We've already had rain, and more is forecast later today - so what are we doing? Having a 30 minute plus break!

Cricket eh
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 7:35 pm

43 ball 50 from Jason Roy, England are cruising at 91-1 off 15 overs
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 8:31 pm

Morgan ridiculously runs out Root to give Pakistan a sniff
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 8:32 pm

Not a fan of Stokes in ahead of Buttler
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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 25 Aug 2016, 9:00 am

Well rather a disappointing end to an underwhelming game.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 26 Aug 2016, 8:58 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Not a fan of Stokes in ahead of Buttler

With him not bowling I guess its a mixture of justifying why hes in sthe side (hey look hes a specialist bat honestly) ahead of someone like Bairstow and also trying to take some of the pressure off Buttler to be two things.



In regard to mention of Woods speeds...the fastest ball from the hawkeye stats was 90mph which seems a bit more relaistic for him than 95 on what wasnt and especially quick pitch. That said cricinfos report is putting him as getting "close to 93mph"
All of which just goes to show what a confussing mess reported speeds are. But it does sound like he bowled better than his figures suggest, and in his interview hes said he is now able to bowl at full speed more consitently follwoing his operation and recovery. Essentialy he should now be a genuine almost-fast bowler and be able to push Finn aside in all formats if he can translate that speed into wickets. Hes record to date is pretty poor but the potential is there (and he did well for the Lions) ... compare that to Finn who still has a good career record ( and a remakable SR) but looks absolute rubbish most of the time now and keeps failing to repay the faith shown in him. Wood also fits the bill as being an actual fastish bowler, rather than a tall guy everyone seems to think is fast.
I havent been a big fan in the past but if this change is real and susatined then he absolutely should be on the winter tours IMO. With Broad pushing for a limited over return, and Woakes having established himself as sliced bread, too theres some good comeptition for specialst bowler spots again across the formats.I expect there to be a rush of injuries/form loss and a random county chap to appear as the internet favourite (Sidebottoms doing pretty well isnt he .... Whistle )

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 27 Aug 2016, 10:44 am

That was a decent delivery Mr Wood
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Post by alfie on Sat 27 Aug 2016, 11:15 am

Pakistan off to a dreadful start .

Did wonder if the first wicket might have been a bit iffy : not enough evidence there to overturn a not out call in my book. Yes there was a noise ; and the England players seemed convinced - but without a hotspot or any apparent deviation I don't think I'd have been prepared to swear that was out.

No doubt about the other two - just fine bowling from Wood and Woakes clap

Lot up to Sarfraz now...

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Post by alfie on Sat 27 Aug 2016, 11:39 am

More good bowling - from Plunkett now - nips out Babar with a full and fast delivery.
Useful partnership from those two (run rate is fine ) ; but Pakistan are going to need a lot from their late middle order and tail if they're to post a defendable total.

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Post by alfie on Sat 27 Aug 2016, 12:28 pm

Good bowling change ...Wood has been rapid and looked dangerous today ; an important second wicket for him then.

Pakistan with a lot to do from 127/5 after 27. Not a lot of batting to come...

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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 27 Aug 2016, 8:21 pm

Great innings from Sarfraz to get Pakistan to a total of some merit. However still a coast win.

Cannot agree with decision to give Root MotM.

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Post by robbo277 on Sun 28 Aug 2016, 8:08 am

Pakistan appear to be playing like the England of a few years ago.

Not playing particularly badly, but seemingly not looking to set large enough targets and not able to take regular wickets when defending these targets to give themselves a chance. They're just playing the wrong gameplan. You need big runs to make wicket taking easier (as the other team has to chase hard), or genuine wicket takers to restrict the other team to low totals.

You think Pakistan, if setting, should look to be more cavalier. Even if half the time they come off and get 300 and the other half the time they don't and end up with 180, at least they've given themselves a chance the times they do hit 300. Plus they're get better with experience and perhaps learn to hit 300 with more consistency.

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 30 Aug 2016, 7:55 am

When you are 3 down for 2 runs on the board theres not really many game plans left other than trying to not lose the next 3 for less runs.

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 30 Aug 2016, 9:30 am

robbo's point is perhaps more relevant to the first ODI, where they largely drifted their way to 260 with the sort of performance Peter Moores seemed to like.

They may not have been helped by the short delay around the 40th over mark but th eprogression of the innings showed no urgency whatsoever:

10 overs 45-1
20 overs 94-2
30 overs 140-3
40 overs 199-4

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 30 Aug 2016, 1:48 pm

Match 3 will see a change in the pattern of these games, as Azhar loses the toss and Morgan elects to bat.

England unchanged, Pakistan see just one change with the injured Imad replaced by Nawaz

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 30 Aug 2016, 5:40 pm

I don't think anybody has fielded a ball well off Amir all summer

Pakistani fielding today has been worse than club standard
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 30 Aug 2016, 5:44 pm

Wahab just bowled Buttler and conceded 5 off the ball

Been that kind of day for Pakistan
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 30 Aug 2016, 5:56 pm

444-3 off 50 overs - a new world record

Amazing stuff England
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Post by JDizzle on Tue 30 Aug 2016, 6:25 pm

Joe Root has cost England 500 there. Pull your finger out Joe!

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Post by robbo277 on Tue 30 Aug 2016, 11:54 pm

Now England have the series wrapped up, do you think they'll look to rotate some people in to unleash some equally talented, but more hungry players? England aren't very good in dead rubbers, so having new faces with points to prove in a two game mini-series may be interesting.

Woakes, Ali, Root and Hales have had long summers playing all three formats, so they could bring in Willey or Jordan for Woakes, Dawson for Ali and Bairstow for Hales? Then they could experiment with Buttler opening as he does in T20s? Or you could go Bairstow for Root and put Buttler or Stokes up and experiment with a more powerful top 3. Stokes, for example, scored 150-odd for the Lions at 3, and if you give either of those players more time at the crease they could really do something special.

On form, you can't drop any of these players. But if you can make 3 rotations and remain as strong, it sends a warning out to the players that they can't rest on their laurels for a second.

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 31 Aug 2016, 8:18 am

As dull as these one sided affairs can be Im annoyed I missed that, pretty ridiculous.

Good to seem them willing to bring Buttler up the order to take full advantage of the game situation.

Not to get too carried away mind, Pakistan have bene pretty poor in ODIs for sometime and have atruely abysmal record in England obver the last few decades....but even so this is such a huge change in the teams ability to amass big scores its really quite amazing. Roys innings earlier in the summer eclipsed already and two players getting the fastest ever England half centuries in the same game is really quite incredible for a side who two years ago struggled to make scores of 300.

Good to see Hales back in the runs as well after a wobbly spell. This sort of thing seems much more up his street than battling through for a 150 ball 50 in a test.

You can look at a couple of near misses and some lacklustre fielding but noone gets scores close to this withot riding their luck a bit. The planets maybe aligned for England a bit but at least they now have a side and mentality which enables them to cash in on it.

For Pakistan I suspect the plane home cant come soon enough. But then we thought that after the third test ....

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Post by wisden on Wed 31 Aug 2016, 8:32 am

Was a fantastic performance from England.. Incredible batting performance, but boy the fielding needs some serious work, horrendous in the field again...... On another note David Willey is fit again.. left arm variation is useful particuarly in limited overs cricket...but who does he come in for...Woakes is surely un-droppable at the moment...Plunkett offers pace and more than handy with the bat...Wood for me stays in the side as well, quick, rapid, and will be needed in India...

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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 01 Sep 2016, 7:49 am

Doesn't sound like they are taking their foot off Pakistans throat, a full strength T20 side has been named as well. Willey could (should?) get his place back for today but I don't expect any major reshuffle to rest others.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 01 Sep 2016, 9:27 am

Having selected rather a large ODI squad (has Ball been released?) it would be good to see some other guys getting a go. Bairstow, Dawson, Jordan and Willey have been reduced to a cheerleading role so far.

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