PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

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PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 24 Aug 2016, 6:47 pm

First topic message reminder :

1).Farewell to "The Barclays" as the bankers assemble at Bethpage Black prior to departing the PGA Tour scene, twelve years after assuming sponsorship of the old Westchester Classic.
Round One of next year's FedEx Cup Play-Offs will be sponsored by Northern Trust and staged at a new venue: Glen Oaks in Old Westbury, NY. Followed by:
2018: Ridgewood CC in NJ
2019: Liberty National: NJ
2020: Plainfield CC: NJ
2021: Bethpage: NY
2022: Liberty National.

2).With The Barclays going the same way as the bank's largesse at the Scottish Open, the biggest void left to be filled may be the logo on Phil's chest if the left-handed one loses his sponsorship. Reports suggest that Five Guys Burgers And Fries will now be replacing Barclays' acreage.

3).Round 2 of the Play-Offs will be next week's Deutsche Bank Championship at TPC Boston, and that sponsorship too expires this year. Cue a week's worth of rumours about future sponsorship or the future of the tournament at all - it would be in line with the Tour's desertion of northern States if the Boston/Providence area is abandoned, but hopefully another event will replace it, though perhaps not enjoy Play-Off status.

4).Numbers 1 to 125 on the FedEx Points list qualify for this week's action. Garcia, Lowry, Cejka, Lahiri and Willett are absent so 120 pros, at last count, will take on the formidable Bethpage Black.
The 125 also retain their cards for next season, as do Messrs Duke, Marino, Cauley, Goosen, Chad Collins and Morgan Hoffmann who finished in the Top 125 in money earned - that loophole now expires permanently.

5).We described last week's Wyndham Championship in Greensboro as "career defining", and the outcome can be summarised:

In to the Top 125 and assured of full Tour Membership for 16/17: Kyle Stanley, Shawn Stefani.  
Out of the Top 125: Aussie Open winner Matt Jones (still has some status as a "Past Champion", Houston in 2014) and Whee Kim.

In to the Top 150 earning conditional status for 16/17: Stewart Cink, and Mansfield Man Greg Owen.
Out of the top 150: Will MacKenzie, Camilo Villegas - they both retain Past Champion status for their multiple Tour wins.

In to the Top 200, earning a place in next month's web.com Finals: Aussie Rhein Gibson.
Out of the Top 200: D.H.Lee who loses all Tour status.

6).Obviously the week's big winner was 21-y-o Si Woo Kim, who ran away with his first Tour win in his 30th tournament of the season. Kim is now up to #15 in FedEx Points and one more good result should earn him a place in the Tour Championship. He first "earned" his Tour card at the age of 17, but wasn't permitted by Tour rules to use it! But he's very definitely the real thing and, on early evidence, unlikely to go the way of his predecessor boy wonder namesake Kim.

7).13 golfers have now earned at least $5.3M in FedEx bonus money:
Cup winners: Woods (25M), Furyk ($15M), Stenson ($13M), Snedeker ($11.8M), Bill Haas ($11.2+M), Vijay Singh ($11.2-), Spieth ($10.9M), Horschel ($10.4M). All except Woods have already earned more cash by qualifying for this year's Play-Offs.
Others: Stricker ($8.5M), Mickelson ($8.0M), Kuchar ($5.9M), McIlroy ($5.5M), Donald ($5.3M) and all play this week.
That's a healthy retirement plan for these boys.

8).Doug Ferguson made a couple of interesting points about the future of Golf in the Olympics that I had missed.
~The course designated for Tokyo 2020, Kasumigaseki CC has 36 holes, so expanding the options for more play.
~In the clamour for some sort of Team event, tournaments run over 54 holes could represent an option that 72 holes might not. If not for the Individual Tournament, certainly for any Team Event, mostly likely mixed "doubles".

9).Bethpage Black prides itself on being a stern test for the Pros and no doubt its Par-71 (just 3 x Par-5's) will be fiercely protected. But the absent Nick Watney won with a ten-under-par total of 274 in 2012, by three strokes from Brandt Snedeker, with DJ and Sergio a shot further back.
Watney is still rehabbing injuries and Sergio's taking the week off, but you'd imagine the highly motivated Sneds and the always relaxed Dustin might play well again. Lucas Glover won the US Open here, while Johnson Wagner & Keegan Bradley played Bethpage frequently as amateurs.
Apart from that, it's difficult to have too many preconceived ideas as to how the weekend will pan out, but mostly fine (hot on Friday?) weather should ensure the course plays hard and fast.

10).Luke Donald finished T10 at the 2012 Barclays and perhaps course conditions might favour him if he can find the fairway off the tee.
After talking about Luke looking disconsolate following The Travelers, last week's 2nd place at Greensboro was a very welcome surprise. One interesting facet of his success is that he achieved it with very average, literally, stats for most criteria, but a -0.3 in strokes gained putting.
So much for stereotypes, but I imagine he'll need his putter to behave this week if Bethpage is to live up to its self-trumpeted reputation:
Bethpage "Warning: The Black Course is an extremely difficult course which we recommend only for highly skilled golfers."

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Re: PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by McLaren on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 5:39 pm

Super

None of the above, I just don't really get your point.
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Re: PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by super_realist on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 5:55 pm

You're clearly stupid then Mac.

You suggested it was pointless for Shell to cancel the Houston Open sponsorship because the 5 million or whatever would mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I am saying that this saving will be one of thousands of a similar value Shell will be seeking to make across many contracts. Thus meaning that whilst on its own the Shell sponsorship would be meaningless, as part of 1000's of other savings then it adds up to a lot.

got it yet thicko?

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Re: PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by McLaren on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 6:20 pm

Using that reasoning you could say if Shell didn't exist it would have zero costs.
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Post by super_realist on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 6:50 pm

Mac, you're entirely too stupid to debate.

A company like Shell has expenditure in the tens of billions. It can make savings in tough times because everyone in the supply chain is looking to cut costs. Contract negotiations is how they do it.

For example. Shell will use someone like PGS or Fugro for Seismic Survey. In good times they might charge 50 million to Shell for the area they want to explore, if Shell can get that price down by 5 million, because PGS would rather accept 45, than lose out to another company that will accept that demand, then that's one saving of many that can be done. Therefore, it's 5 million off the books.
Do that x 500 contracts and what have you got? Billions in savings. Why would they have zero expenditure you plank?

I really don't see why find this so difficult to understand? You'll clearly never work in a business capacity.

Shell, like every company want to minimise expenditure whilst maximising revenue. Getting rid of the Shell Open sponsorship is just one small part of how companies achieve that in tough times. How can you not get that?

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Post by McLaren on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 7:34 pm

Wouldn't it be cheaper to borrow the money to cover these small scale savings compared to stopping them and having to restart them at a later date?
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Re: PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by super_realist on Sun 04 Sep 2016, 7:57 am

No Mac, it wouldn't, do you not understand business at all? You are thinking like Corbyn.
The purpose of business is to make profit. They are still making money, so why would they need to borrow? They are trying to maximise profit, not get in debt. There are times when you need to reign in spending and maximise profit. When times get better companies can increase their prices again.

They aren't stopping anything in general, they are renegotiating contracts to have lower outgoings, but effectively worthless sponsorship of non business related events will suffer. Every company does it. Why would Shell borrow money to sponsor a bloody redneck event?

You could argue that they should be doing this sort of behaviour in the good times too, making themselves leaner and more efficient, but for some reasons when times are good, oil companies are less good at doing that. That way in the lean times they'd have more money to survive the low times.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:46 am

Wow, not sure who comes out of this exchange well at all. It's like watching 2 tramps argue about the last can of cider.
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Re: PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by super_realist on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:52 am

Mac's just someone who doesn't understand how a business works in different states of the economy.
He thinks that it's silly for Shell to stop sponsoring the Houston Open because the money is "nothing" to them, without being able to see the bigger picture.

I've tried explaining it, but he just can't get it into his Corbynite brain.

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Re: PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by McLaren on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:48 am

super, to be fair you are trying to explain some very difficult concepts. Just have patience with me.
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Re: PGA Tour: Barclay Scarred: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by super_realist on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 10:10 am

Mac, here it is simply.

Shell want to save money, Cancelling the Shell Houston Open sponsorship is just one of thousands of different contracts that will be renegotiated/cancelled/changed etc to minimise loss. Got it?

On the face of it, the Shell Open isn't a big outlay for them, combined with all the other savings it adds up to a large sum.

If you save £1 off everything you spend in a day/week/month (bus travel, clothes, food, haircuts, entertainment, shopping, electric, gas, computer games, tiger woods posters, socialist worker, , charity shop golf balls, doak books, green party subscriptions, Guardian, Jeremy Corbyn fanclub fees etc)  you'll have a lot  more at the end of the month than if you only reduced your outgoings on just one element. Not exactly a difficult concept to grasp is it?

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