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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 02 Sep 2016, 12:26 pm

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Day Five sees the singles reach the Third Round stage and Novak Djokovic faces Mikhail Youzhny. On old form you'd expect Novak to win in straight sets but at present Novak is striving to rediscover that form but still expect him to win in either three tight sets or in four. Rafa Nadal takes on Andrey Kuznetsov and it will be interesting to see how this one pans out. Sock takes on Cilic and home support may help but Cilic looks like he could be a dark horse for the title here. Isner takes on Kyle Edmund and Kyle has a good chance here as Isner has already played a couple of lengthy matches so far. Tsonga V Anderson will be a tight match and Konta takes on Bencic.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:26 am

Nore Staat wrote:Isner is cramping according to the BBC commentators.  Can he overcome it?  Kyle just has to get Isner to move and return few of the Isner serves.

Like I said earlier Isner played almost three and a hslf hours in the first round and almost three hours in the second round so fatigue will take its toll on him.
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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:28 am

Isner looks to me like he is done. I doubt he will have energy to pull himself out of this.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:29 am

Isner heads to the changing rooms for a quick blood transfusion (only kidding?).

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:30 am

summerblues wrote:Isner looks to me like he is done. I doubt he will have energy to pull himself out of this.

Agreed. Edmund leads byvtwo sets to one and there are now shots that Isner isnt even chasing down.
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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:35 am

Nadal breaks.  2-0.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:38 am

Isner getting a second wind or at least maybe a second breeze.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:41 am

If Edmund holds he should be in a good position to break Isner in the next game.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:43 am

What with the conditions, body management is almost as important as the actual play.

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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:44 am

Nadal up 4:0

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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:46 am

You guys keep talking about conditions, but I do not think they are as bad as that. It is now evening in NYC and, according to Accuweather, around 25 degrees. Certainly not unbearable, even with some humidity.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:49 am

summerblues wrote:You guys keep talking about conditions, but I do not think they are as bad as that.  It is now evening in NYC and, according to Accuweather, around 25 degrees.  Certainly not unbearable, even with some humidity.
The tennis commentators are talking about it.  Kyle Edmund asked for salt and talked of cramping in the second round third set.  Isner is trying to massage his legs as they no longer are moving as they were earlier in the match.  Cilic said he had cramp. Raonic said he had cramp (he was reduced to serving at 70 mph).

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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:56 am

I mean conditions right now.  It was hotter earlier in the week, during day sessions.  But it is not so bad now.  If Isner is running low on gas, it will be because of the effort he spent in the earlier rounds; tonight's conditions are fine.

Also, I wonder if commentators in the UK bring it up more because of what happened with Konta; I do not hear it as much here.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:58 am

Edmund needs to maintain his level here and his chances will come. He holds serve from 0-30 down and leads 4-3 in the fourth set.
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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 12:59 am

Good hold from Kyle.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:01 am

summerblues wrote:I mean conditions right now.  It was hotter earlier in the week, during day sessions.  But it is not so bad now.  If Isner is running low on gas, it will be because of the effort he spent in the earlier rounds; tonight's conditions are fine.

Also, I wonder if commentators in the UK bring it up more because of what happened with Konta; I do not hear it as much here.
Warm and humid conditions.  It is what can be seen with the eyes and also what the players have said.  Cilic I think played in similar conditions.  Konta was completely different - she didn't suffer cramp - she had heat stroke that caused her heart to suddenly race, beat shallowly and her to hyperventilate and to collapse.  Elsewhere I referenced Jack Sock (2015) and Azarenka (2011) suffering heat stress and collapse.


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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:01 am

summerblues wrote:I mean conditions right now.  It was hotter earlier in the week, during day sessions.  But it is not so bad now.  If Isner is running low on gas, it will be because of the effort he spent in the earlier rounds; tonight's conditions are fine.

Also, I wonder if commentators in the UK bring it up more because of what happened with Konta; I do not hear it as much here.

I'm not listening on the radio and have said his long matches already here at Flushing Meadows are what have taken their toll. Conditions though have affected other players here this week.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:03 am

In this match right now it is the serve that is keeping Isner afliat.
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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:08 am

Ps it is also claimed that "mental stress" can also cause cramping. So a combination of warm and humid conditions plus mental stress (maybe exacerbated by the difficult physical conditions) is causing all these sub-par performances amongst all these elite players. This is one of the characteristic features of the US Open that makes it distinctive from other slams. I think the Australian Open can be very hot but I don't think it is humid - I think it is hot and dry. I don't think cramping is much of an issue at the Australian Open.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:10 am

Surely a win for Edmund here would propel him into the top 50 for the first time?
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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:15 am

Nore Staat wrote:I don't think cramping is much of an issue at the Australian Open.
I think they have had their share of cramps over the years at the AO too.  Also, in general, my impression is that over the years there have been far more conditions-related withdrawals and health issues at the AO than USO.

That said, I am not saying the USO has no such issues.  It was quite hot early in the week, and it can be quite humid, so obviously not optimal either.

I just do not think conditions are particularly difficult tonight.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:21 am

summerblues wrote:
Nore Staat wrote:I don't think cramping is much of an issue at the Australian Open.
I think they have had their share of cramps over the years at the AO too.  Also, in general, my impression is that over the years there have been far more conditions-related withdrawals and health issues at the AO than USO.

That said, I am not saying the USO has no such issues.  It was quite hot early in the week, and it can be quite humid, so obviously not optimal either.

I just do not think conditions are particularly difficult tonight.
As C-Craig has mentioned Isner has already had tough first and second round matches.  While Kyle Edmund is known to gas after around three sets (probably lacks superfitness).  So that is probably also a factor.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:22 am

Fourth set tie-break. Will Ianer's experience tell?
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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:26 am

Kuznetsov has somewhat righted the ship in the second set. Recovered a break and now held from 15-40.

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Post by Born Slippy on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:27 am

Recovered two breaks I think - four straight service breaks before that hold.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:29 am

Three match points Edmund!

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:30 am

Edmund seals a famous win for him to beat Isner in four sets. He goes through to the Fourth Round to face Novak Djokovic. What a win. Well done to him.
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Post by Born Slippy on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:31 am

Great forehand to finish it! Will move his ranking up to just outside the top 50.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:31 am

Well done Edmund. Into the fourth round to face Djokovic and a certain beating - but the experience should be good and maybe he might give him a good match for two sets.

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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:32 am

Well done Kyle. Pretty impressive British performances, taking out seeded players.

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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:33 am

Born Slippy wrote:Recovered two breaks I think - four straight service breaks before that hold.
Oh, I did not realize that. I only saw that one break.

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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:36 am

But Kuznetsov gets broken once more and Nadal will be serving for the set.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:36 am

So two Brits into the fourth round of the singles tournaments: Konta and Edmund. Murray and Evans go for it tomorrow though realistically would only expect Murray to get to the fourth round.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:39 am

Ps what is happening with Roger Federer - when is he expected back?

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Post by Henman Bill on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:42 am

I think he is targeting Australian Open.

Speaking of Federer, do we recall the Fognini incident?

A glorious opportunity for Edmund now to benefit from an unprecedented double Fognini.  Wink  He's virtually guaranteed to win.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:42 am

Nore Staat wrote:Ps what is happening with Roger Federer - when is he expected back?

He hopes to be back for the Australian Open. According to a site that gives live rankings, Edmund will move up to 50 in the rankings after that win. Nadal now leads by teo sets to love. Looks good for a Fourth Round spot.
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Post by summerblues on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:44 am

Second set to Nadal. This match looks done too; hard to see Kuznetsov coming back.

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Post by Guest on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 1:46 am

Okay.  Hope Federer makes a full recovery so can eke out a few more years on the professional circuit.

So with the US Open I guess Murray, Djokovic, Del Potro (Ferrer?), Nadal, Wawrinka, Nishikori are the players one would expect to reach the quarter finals and beyond.

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Post by lags72 on Sat 03 Sep 2016, 9:45 am

Henman Bill wrote:

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Speaking of Federer, do we recall the Fognini incident?

A glorious opportunity for Edmund now to benefit from an unprecedented double Fognini.  Wink  He's virtually guaranteed to win.

But of course we do !!

The ' Fognini Incident ' is a major part of 606 folklore, and as such will never be forgotten Cool

Huge credit to Edmund. His impressive run will almost certainly be ended by Novak ; but let's hope he can be both relaxed & disciplined enough to put on a good showing.

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