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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:56 am

Today's line-up sees Andy Murray face his first tough challenge when he takes on Grigor Dimitrov. The Bulgarian has been in improving form of late after a long lean spell and is getting back to where he was. It will be a match that will demonstrate what sort of nick Murray is in. Wawrinka has a somewhat easier looking match against Ilya Marchenko which I'd expect him to win in straights. Nishikori takes on the big serving Ivo Karlovic in a clash of styles - this could go either way but I just favour Nishikori here. Another interesting match-up sees the born again Juan Martin Del Potro take on Dominic Thiem. I fancy Del Potro to win in four sets.
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Post by Guest82 on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 10:01 am

Starts to get interesting around now.

I think Murray will win, but Dimitrov is the first player to have a legitimate chance of beating him.

Del Potro v Thiem is match of the day for me. I am a big fan of both. Think DelPo should win, but it might be very close.

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Post by Born Slippy on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 10:18 am

At age 37, it's the first time big Ivo has made the 4th round of the US Open. He has a 2-1 head to head against Kei, so that match is no gimme. I'm backing Kei to win in 4 though.

Wawrinka should beat Marchenko but I'd expect some clowning. Will go for 4 in that one as well.

DP will be too strong for Thiem. DP in 3.

Dimitrov v Murray could be a classic. Dimitrov is in fine form and Murray has had difficulty with him in the past. I think this one will go 5 and it's too close to call the winner.

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Post by lags72 on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 11:50 am

Wawrinka v Marchenko is a reminder of what 'could have been' for Dan Evans !

Given that Evans came so very close to taking down Stan, I think a match v Marchenko would have been definitely winnable......

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Post by banbrotam on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 11:52 am

Worried about this. I just think the last four months of success are going to catch up with Andy

Even earlier this year, it didn't too much of a drop in form for Dimi to beat him and arguably Grigor was desperate for form at that time

The only saving grace, is that Andy loves the New York night matches (after midnight start) and has rarely lost one

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Post by banbrotam on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 11:55 am

OK decision time :-)

Theim, Nish, Stan and Muz.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 11:59 am

banbrotam wrote:Worried about this. I just think the last four months of success are going to catch up with Andy

Even earlier this year, it didn't too much of a drop in form for Dimi to beat him and arguably Grigor was desperate for form at that time

The only saving grace, is that Andy loves the New York night matches (after midnight start) and has rarely lost one

Likewise. I think the seeds of doubt were sown from the match V Lorenzi where Andy looked scrappy. I'd put it down to the usual thing when Andy plays players he is unfamiliar with where it takes him a bit to work out a gameplan so hopefully he can re-find more consistency. Dimitov has had a far from comfortable ride through to this stage so he is not bullet-proof by any means.
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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 12:10 pm

I would be more worried about Andy M against Dimi if the Scot had waltzed thru against Lorenzi. Slams are often won by a player who has had a scare, been lucky or even played poorly in an earlier round(s).
Amazing how draws work out. Djoko faced the prospect of meeting one of Raonic, Rafa and Cilic at some stage. Now he won't come up against any of them.
Ironic that at a time I now would like Rafa to do well, he's losing to players he would normally beat. Still, if he's pain free and enjoying it, that's something.

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Post by Guest on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 12:29 pm

sirfredperry wrote:I would be more worried about Andy M against Dimi if the Scot had waltzed thru against Lorenzi. Slams are often won by a player who has had a scare, been lucky or even played poorly in an earlier round(s).  ...
I seem to recall Murray having a few shaky rounds this year at Wimbledon when it looked like Murray was going to get beaten.  But he bounced back to win.  Hence it is difficult to call exactly what will happen.  This is especially the case at the US Open when the physical conditions vary from one day to the next (heat, humidity, windiness, mid-day versus evening play).

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Post by summerblues on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 1:40 pm

Thiem, Wawrinka, Nishikori, Murray

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Post by banbrotam on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 2:22 pm

It's not really the shaky (or shoud I say usual Wink start to the Lorenzi match. In fairness as soon as he stopped trying to impersonate Del Potro and slowed the pace down and lose the errors, he was fine

It's more I'm not certain how many times, he can keep going to the well. We forget, because his three rivals do it, how remarkable it is to reach the French / Wimby finals. And then of course there was The Olympics

Yes. Dimi isn't the confident young whipper snapper of Wimby 2014, but still a bit nervous

Still not sure of Novak. Frankly, Edmund looked weary against Isner and it's only because the big American is so rubbish (has any player, ever been so over-rated by the ATP website) that he got through.

No. I think Tsonga and Monfils are playing well enough for one of them to do it and they need to tell themselves that this could be their last opportunity - bearing in mind that they are both older than him

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 5:49 pm

Del Potro leading 6-3 3-2 and wins as Thiem withdraws due to injury. Pity another match ends in this way but am pleased for Del Potro. I can see him beating Wawrinka.
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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 5:51 pm

Thiem retires in second set against Delpo (see also posts under day 7). Thiem played a lot of matches in the first half of the season and it looks like his long year has caught up with him.
Good news, though, for JMDP.

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Post by Henman Bill on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 7:06 pm

Yes, Del Potro to my eyes now looks like a serious contender for the first time, since he has got some match practice just now, but stays fresh. Perfect. Still no sets dropped. Also, his upcoming opponent Stan W does look a little more beatable than usual at the moment. I still don't quite believe it (that Del Potro could actually win the title) but it's no longer quite so easy to dismiss.

Monfils has been quietly working through the tournament, the other player to have not dropped a set. His chances are on the up, now that he places Pouille, a man who just won the match of his career and won three consecutive comeback five setters. He is going to run out of mental focus, or get tired or something at some point. Is this Gael's time? Federer out, Djokovic slight injury, Nadal gone, draw looks open. This could be his Cilic/Ivanisevic moment? Now or never?

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 7:40 pm

Wawrinka cruising through to the QF's at present against Marchenko. It looks like being done in straight sets in a little over an hour and a half.
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Post by Born Slippy on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 7:44 pm

Yep, DP v Wawrinka looks a done deal. Very hard to call but I'd make DP favourite - he's just that bit better mentally.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:06 pm

The last few games here demonstrate (as BS says) why I favour Del Potro over Stan when they meet (as they surely will). Stan was coasting along and served for the match but got broken from nowhere and now Marchenko leads 6-5 in the third set. The Ukrainian is still alive but he is already looking a little fatigued.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:16 pm

And from nowhere Marchenko comes through to take the third set on a tie break to take it into a fourth set. Stan putting needless extra miles into his legs for the bigger challenges that lie ahead.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:22 pm

I still fully expect Stan's quality to shine through and Marchenko to physically wilt but Stan portrays a man far from happy with his game. And I know it would bug me if I felt the match was close to being over in an hour and a half but then having to play well over two and a half hours to complete the job.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:34 pm

Stan losing the plot. Marchenko breaks in the fourth set and Wawrinka destroys a racquet.
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Post by Born Slippy on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:34 pm

Sensational match between Venus and Pliskova. Pliskova saved a match point at 4-5 with some sensational hitting, then broke Venus and got to 40-0 (3 MPs) on her own serve at 6-5. Venus then hit a run of blistering winners to get to 6-6. Tiebreak now in progress.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:40 pm

Stan back level at 2-2 in the fourth set. Tamely handed the break back did Marchenko.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:47 pm

Stan breaks again and consolidates the break to lead 4-2. Can he close the match out this time?
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Post by Jermaine2015 on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:50 pm

Stan has been so so thus far this US Open, Del Potro might have too much for Stan

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:53 pm

Stan serving for the match.....AGAIN.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 8:56 pm

Stan wins 6-4 6-1 6-7 6-3 after two and three quarter hours. He has plenty of hours in his legs now whilst Del Potro will be relatively fresh.
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Post by banbrotam on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:03 pm

I'm not certain that DP is ready for a serial Top 5 player over five sets

Stan in 5 for me

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:05 pm

banbrotam wrote:I'm not certain that DP is ready for a serial Top 5 player over five sets

Stan in 5 for me

And Stan is? Shocked

Lets remember Del Potro beat Rafa over best of five in Rio and ran Andy close. That seems decent enough form to me whereas Stan has laboured to wins in a few matches here whereas Del Potro has won all of his in straight sets so he will be much fresher. Also Del Potro leads the head-to-head and beat Stan at Wimbledon this year.


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Post by Born Slippy on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:08 pm

banbrotam wrote:I'm not certain that DP is ready for a serial Top 5 player over five sets

Stan in 5 for me
Are we ignoring the fact he beat Stan at Wimbledon 2 months ago? Stan is better on hard court but DP has to be favourite for me.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:10 pm

Born Slippy wrote:
banbrotam wrote:I'm not certain that DP is ready for a serial Top 5 player over five sets

Stan in 5 for me
Are we ignoring the fact he beat Stan at Wimbledon 2 months ago? Stan is better on hard court but DP has to be favourite for me.

Agreed. thumbsup
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:14 pm

Incredibly, the last time Stan beat Del Potro was at Wimbledon 2008 more than 8 years ago. Shocked
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:19 pm

Nishikori against Karlovic about to get underway.
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Post by banbrotam on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:23 pm

Born Slippy wrote:
banbrotam wrote:I'm not certain that DP is ready for a serial Top 5 player over five sets

Stan in 5 for me
Are we ignoring the fact he beat Stan at Wimbledon 2 months ago? Stan is better on hard court but DP has to be favourite for me.


I knew there was something wrong when I wrote that, but still wrote it  picard

However, I still have a gut feeling for Stan. The summer has to catch up with the magnificent DP

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:30 pm

banbrotam wrote:
Born Slippy wrote:
banbrotam wrote:I'm not certain that DP is ready for a serial Top 5 player over five sets

Stan in 5 for me
Are we ignoring the fact he beat Stan at Wimbledon 2 months ago? Stan is better on hard court but DP has to be favourite for me.


I knew there was something wrong when I wrote that, but still wrote it  picard

However, I still have a gut feeling for Stan. The summer has to catch up with the magnificent DP

I'd certainly agree with your last line if Del Potro had a tough run through to the QF's but he hasn't. He has won three matches in straight sets and only had to play a set and a half today. Stan, on the other hand has been the marathon man in New York.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:40 pm

Nishikori leads Karlovic 4-2. I expect him to win today probably in straight sets.
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Post by Born Slippy on Mon 05 Sep 2016, 9:45 pm

banbrotam wrote:
Born Slippy wrote:
banbrotam wrote:I'm not certain that DP is ready for a serial Top 5 player over five sets

Stan in 5 for me
Are we ignoring the fact he beat Stan at Wimbledon 2 months ago? Stan is better on hard court but DP has to be favourite for me.


I knew there was something wrong when I wrote that, but still wrote it  picard

However, I still have a gut feeling for Stan. The summer has to catch up with the magnificent DP
Ha ha - I actually have a slight gut feel for Stan as well but everything else points to a DP win!

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 12:49 am

Murray off to a bright start with an early break and leads 4-1.
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Post by Henman Bill on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 12:50 am

Stan vs Juan for me is too close to call. No prediction from me at all. Would just be guessing anyway. I suppose Stan is the marginal favourite with the bookies (haven't looked) but you could probably make a case fairly easy either way.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 12:56 am

Excellent first set for Murray taking it 6-1 in half an hour.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:17 am

Good aggressive hitting from Andy and he now leads 6-1 3-0 having won eight games on the bounce.
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Post by slashermcguirk on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:20 am

Dimitrov is a complete shambles. What has happened to his game? To think this is a guy that was once thought to be the next big thing, so over rated.

This match will be over in 1/2 hour at this rate. Pretty humiliating stuff for dimitrov. Hats off to Murray though, he probably wasn't expecting this to be such a breeze

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:23 am

Credit Murray though as well slasher. His levels have been too much for Dimi.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:26 am

Where Dimi is going wrong is not getting into the net more. He is not going to win this from the baseline. Murray leads 6-1 4-1.
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Post by slashermcguirk on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:31 am

Oh I agree Murray has been very good but dimitrov has become a very average player. Disappointing as I expected him to push on. Even there he manages a break and then throws it straight away again. A decent player wouldn't do that

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:35 am

slashermcguirk wrote:Oh I agree Murray has been very good but dimitrov has become a very average player. Disappointing as I expected him to push on. Even there he manages a break and then throws it straight away again. A decent player wouldn't do that

It is panning out like Novsk's match last night. I was expecting more from Edmund but he failed to get going. Novak won easily partly down to his good showing and Kyle not bringing his best to court. Same applies here.
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Post by slashermcguirk on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:43 am

True but you would expect more from dimitrov who used to be a top 10 player. Edmund is a far inferior player than dimitrov

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:47 am

Murray in totsl control now leading 6-1 6-2. I can't see anyway back for Dimitrov. Andy needs to keep his foot down and get this done in three to keep as much gas in the tank for the later rounds.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 1:50 am

slashermcguirk wrote:True but you would expect more from dimitrov who used to be a top 10 player. Edmund is a far inferior player than dimitrov

Used to be is the key term there though. On this year's form and confidence I would say Dimitrov and Edmund are fairly close.
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Post by summerblues on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 2:09 am

Hah, got home, turned the TV on and I see I am not missing a classic. Brutal scoreline - 6:1, 6:2, 4:0 now.  Ouch.

Starting tomorrow, the tournament should get going properly. Tsonga the first decent player that Djokovic faces. QFs in the bottom half (I am assuming Murray wins from here tonight) are both potentially good - Delpo vs Stan and Andy vs Nishi.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 2:11 am

Good to see Murray being ruthless here keeping his man down and not letting up. Murray leads 6-1 6-2 4-1
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