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Post by profitius on Tue 13 Sep 2016, 5:13 pm

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Post by carpet baboon on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 5:44 pm

Hasthe munster hooker scannell been in any Ireland training squads yet?. As I would like him on the bench for the 6n

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Post by Pot Hale on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 6:09 pm

carpet baboon wrote:Hasthe munster hooker scannell been in any Ireland training squads yet?. As I would like him on the bench for the 6n

Niall Scannell hasn't been as far as I know. But you're right - he's coming on leaps and bounds. The Six Nations may be too soon for him, but certainly a good prospect for the June tour in USA and Japan. James Tracy at Leinster is in third place at the moment having been capped against Canada in November. With Richardt Strauss still hovering in the background if necessary.
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Post by Golden on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 11:24 am

What happened to Sherry/Casey? They were both knocking on Irelands door but I havent heard from them in a while. Are they both injured?

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Post by rodders on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 11:25 am

Didn't Sherry retire?
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Post by marty2086 on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 11:34 am

Pot Hale wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Hasthe munster hooker scannell been in any Ireland training squads yet?. As I would like him on the bench for the 6n

Niall Scannell hasn't been as far as I know.  But you're right - he's coming on leaps and bounds.  The Six Nations may be too soon for him, but certainly a good prospect for the June tour in USA and Japan.   James Tracy at Leinster is in third place at the moment having been capped against Canada in November.  With Richardt Strauss still hovering in the background if necessary.  

Surprised how little mention Herring gets, don't think hes that far behind Best in terms of ability and against Leinster he seemed to have the better of Cronin in the scrum until he went off injured

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Post by carpet baboon on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 12:38 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Hasthe munster hooker scannell been in any Ireland training squads yet?. As I would like him on the bench for the 6n

Niall Scannell hasn't been as far as I know.  But you're right - he's coming on leaps and bounds.  The Six Nations may be too soon for him, but certainly a good prospect for the June tour in USA and Japan.   James Tracy at Leinster is in third place at the moment having been capped against Canada in November.  With Richardt Strauss still hovering in the background if necessary.  

Surprised how little mention Herring gets, don't think hes that far behind Best in terms of ability and against Leinster he seemed to have the better of Cronin in the scrum until he went off injured
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I rate him very highly. But selfishly I don't want him and best away at the same time

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 12:54 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Hasthe munster hooker scannell been in any Ireland training squads yet?. As I would like him on the bench for the 6n

Niall Scannell hasn't been as far as I know.  But you're right - he's coming on leaps and bounds.  The Six Nations may be too soon for him, but certainly a good prospect for the June tour in USA and Japan.   James Tracy at Leinster is in third place at the moment having been capped against Canada in November.  With Richardt Strauss still hovering in the background if necessary.  

Surprised how little mention Herring gets, don't think hes that far behind Best in terms of ability and against Leinster he seemed to have the better of Cronin in the scrum until he went off injured
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I rate him very highly. But selfishly I don't want him and best away at the same time

Maybe if more Ulster players made the squad then we may see more young players getting an opportunity and developing more depth, you just have to se Leinsters backrow to see how its helped them

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Post by carpet baboon on Thu 12 Jan 2017, 11:27 am

marty2086 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Hasthe munster hooker scannell been in any Ireland training squads yet?. As I would like him on the bench for the 6n

Niall Scannell hasn't been as far as I know.  But you're right - he's coming on leaps and bounds.  The Six Nations may be too soon for him, but certainly a good prospect for the June tour in USA and Japan.   James Tracy at Leinster is in third place at the moment having been capped against Canada in November.  With Richardt Strauss still hovering in the background if necessary.  

Surprised how little mention Herring gets, don't think hes that far behind Best in terms of ability and against Leinster he seemed to have the better of Cronin in the scrum until he went off injured
just

I rate him very highly. But selfishly I don't want him and best away at the same time

Maybe if more Ulster players made the squad then we may see more young players getting an opportunity and developing more depth, you just have to se Leinsters backrow to see how its helped them


That is a fine point there I hadn't considered.


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Re: Ireland 2016/17 season

Post by Golden on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 10:00 am

Another great article by demented mole on Irelands second rows. Well worth a read!

https://dementedmole.com/2017/01/08/ireland-second-rows-in-2016-the-post-paul-oconnell-era/

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Post by rodders on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 10:23 am

Golden wrote:Another great article by demented mole on Irelands second rows. Well worth a read!

https://dementedmole.com/2017/01/08/ireland-second-rows-in-2016-the-post-paul-oconnell-era/

Very good article. Agree that Toner has been a key player for Ireland and Leinster and is very underrated.
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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 3:53 pm

Don't buy the noUlster players in Ireland team preventing youngsters at provincial level argument.

Hasn't stopped Connact youngsters and quite frankly if you look at the number of games ordinary players like Diack and Ross have played it doesn't hold water.

Not being given a chance by selectors is the problem not being blocked by better players.

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Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 5:32 pm

marty2086 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Hasthe munster hooker scannell been in any Ireland training squads yet?. As I would like him on the bench for the 6n

Niall Scannell hasn't been as far as I know.  But you're right - he's coming on leaps and bounds.  The Six Nations may be too soon for him, but certainly a good prospect for the June tour in USA and Japan.   James Tracy at Leinster is in third place at the moment having been capped against Canada in November.  With Richardt Strauss still hovering in the background if necessary.  

Surprised how little mention Herring gets, don't think hes that far behind Best in terms of ability and against Leinster he seemed to have the better of Cronin in the scrum until he went off injured
just

I rate him very highly. But selfishly I don't want him and best away at the same time

Maybe if more Ulster players made the squad then we may see more young players getting an opportunity and developing more depth, you just have to se Leinsters backrow to see how its helped them

There's nothing to suggest that Ulster have the young forwards with the quality necessary to step up for the senior team. If they did they certainly would have played before now, as Ulster haven't been reluctant to try out young backs: McIlwaine, Seymour, Cochrane, Gilroy, Shiels, Gaston, Andrew, Spence, Allen, Jackson, Marshall, Olding, Farrell, Scholes, Arnold, McKinney, McIlroy, Nelson, Stockdale, Lyttle etc..

Leinster are producing players because
- they are allowed to play at both school and club
- their clubs play in 1A and are better coached
- they learn from the senior provincial players
AND they get opportunities with Test call-ups as well as injuries

If the foundation isn't there, neither will they be irrespective of however many opportunities present themselves.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 5:50 pm

Who is Irelands back up to Sexton? is it still Ian Madigan? or is it Paddy Jackson?

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Post by profitius on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 7:05 pm

Anyone know when the Ireland squad is announced? According to Leo Cullen it's sometime this week.


majesticimperialman wrote:Who is Irelands back up to Sexton? is it still Ian Madigan? or is it Paddy Jackson?


Jackson. Carbery is third choice. Madigan is out of the picture but to be honest, he never kicked on. Has skill but not the brains to play 10.
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Post by Golden on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 11:09 am

Anyone know when the squad is announced? Is it today?

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 11:11 am

Pretty sure I read it was Sunday afternoon after the ERC games

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Post by Golden on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 12:10 pm

Makes sense, cheers Marty

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Post by geoff999rugby on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 12:36 pm

profitius wrote:Anyone know when the Ireland squad is announced? According to Leo Cullen it's sometime this week.


majesticimperialman wrote:Who is Irelands back up to Sexton? is it still Ian Madigan? or is it Paddy Jackson?


Jackson. Carbery is third choice. Madigan is out of the picture but to be honest, he never kicked on. Has skill but not the brains to play 10.

Yep Madigan is nowhere to be seen.

Very few players considered who don't play in Ireland.
You have to be exceptional or plug an obvious weakness - Madigan doesn't fit either remit

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 12:44 pm

Marty Moore could fit the bill if furlong got injured?

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Post by Sin é on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 1:56 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Hasthe munster hooker scannell been in any Ireland training squads yet?. As I would like him on the bench for the 6n

Niall Scannell hasn't been as far as I know.  But you're right - he's coming on leaps and bounds.  The Six Nations may be too soon for him, but certainly a good prospect for the June tour in USA and Japan.   James Tracy at Leinster is in third place at the moment having been capped against Canada in November.  With Richardt Strauss still hovering in the background if necessary.  

Surprised how little mention Herring gets, don't think hes that far behind Best in terms of ability and against Leinster he seemed to have the better of Cronin in the scrum until he went off injured
just

I rate him very highly. But selfishly I don't want him and best away at the same time

Maybe if more Ulster players made the squad then we may see more young players getting an opportunity and developing more depth, you just have to se Leinsters backrow to see how its helped them

There's nothing to suggest that Ulster have the young forwards with the quality necessary to step up for the senior team. If they did they certainly would have played before now, as Ulster haven't been reluctant to try out young backs: McIlwaine, Seymour, Cochrane, Gilroy, Shiels, Gaston, Andrew, Spence, Allen, Jackson, Marshall, Olding, Farrell, Scholes, Arnold, McKinney, McIlroy, Nelson, Stockdale, Lyttle etc..

Leinster are producing players because
- they are allowed to play at both school and club
- their clubs play in 1A and are better coached
- they learn from the senior provincial players
AND they get opportunities with Test call-ups as well as injuries

If the foundation isn't there, neither will they be irrespective of however many opportunities present themselves.

I heard an interview with Joe Brolly last Sunday (general interview) where he was talking about amateur GAA/sport in general where he said that his GAA club ground shares with Harlequins (I think) and it has seen a serious decline in recent years - said something like there used to be about 14 or 15 harlequin rugby teams and now there are only a couple. Also had great praise for Brian McLaughlin and what a great man he is.



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Post by geoff999rugby on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 2:26 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Marty Moore could fit the bill if furlong got injured?

Not for me

Bealham would start with Ryan or Ah You on the bench
Ross hasn't retired and Herbst available next year
Archer and Casey as well

Now Moore is better than the last two but I just don't think they would make an exception given the above

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 2:41 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:Marty Moore could fit the bill if furlong got injured?

Not for me

Bealham would start with Ryan or Ah You on the bench
Ross hasn't retired and Herbst available next year
Archer and Casey as well

Now Moore is better than the last two but I just don't think they would make an exception given the above

You are probably right. There would need to be a few injuries but stranger things have happened.

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Post by profitius on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 6:06 pm

The IRFU tweeted the team will be announced on sunday. I think the U20 squad announced on tuesday. Funny how Ireland is always last to reveal their squad.
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Post by marty2086 on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 8:51 pm

profitius wrote:The IRFU tweeted the team will be announced on sunday. I think the U20 squad announced on tuesday. Funny how Ireland is always last to reveal their squad.

Apparently the announcements been pushed back to Monday

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Post by SecretFly on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 9:33 pm

Actually, the IRFU want to hold off the announcement until the Monday after St Patrick's Day.

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:10 pm

SecretFly wrote:Actually, the IRFU want to hold off the announcement until the Monday after St Patrick's Day.

Thats in the hope Sexton will be fit Whistle

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Post by SecretFly on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:12 pm

Eddie apparently ain't worried about us anyway...so England have the Slam in the bag. We should call it all off and let the hard worked players rest.

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Post by rodders on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:26 am

Team announced - quite happy with it.

Good to see McLoskey, Conan, Conway and the Scannells get in,

Bowe, Kearney and Gilroy lucky to get in ahead of Byrne.
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Post by profitius on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:27 am

Squad named. 3 uncapped players in there. The 2 Scannells and Andrew Conway. 1 cap Jack Conan also gets a recall.


40 man squad with 19 players on 10 caps or less.


Ireland Squad 2017 RBS 6 Nations Nations Championship 2017 - Rounds 1 &2

Player/Club/Province/Caps

Forwards (22)
Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 6 caps
Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) (c) 100 caps
Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 1 cap
Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 8 caps
Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 11 caps
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 62 caps
Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) (vc) 91 caps
Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 28 caps
Billy Holland (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 17 caps
Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 36 caps
Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 44 caps
Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Con/Munster) 37 caps
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster) 43 caps
John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 1 cap
Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
CJ Stander (Munster) 10 caps
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 42 caps
James Tracy (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 5 caps

Backs (18)
Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 67 caps
Andrew Conway (Munster) *
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 54 caps
Craig Gilroy (Bangor/Ulster) 9 caps
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 24 caps
Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster) 19 caps
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 72 caps
Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 9 caps
Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster) 9 caps
Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 1 cap
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 53 caps
Tiernan O'Halloran (Buccaneers/Connacht) 3 caps
Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 3 caps
Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) *
Jonathan Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 63 caps
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster) 69 caps
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster) 28 caps

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Post by carpet baboon on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:30 am

Not sure Tommy bows and gilroy deserve there spots, would have liked to see. Byrne in there.
I take it sweetman is injured?

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Post by rodders on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:38 am

carpet baboon wrote:Not sure Tommy bows and gilroy deserve there spots, would have liked to see. Byrne in there.
I take it sweetman is injured?

They don't but give Conway is there Schmidt has probably gone for a mix of new faces and experience.

Prediction - for any team to finish above England, with the new bonus points, they'll need a grand slam.

I predict if we can beat Wales we'll do it.
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Post by Sin é on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:40 am

Delighted for the Scannell brothers and Andrew Conway. Well deserved. All are playing really well. Interesting that it looks like Niall Scannell will probably cover outhalf with only Sexton & Jackson named at outhalf.
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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:43 am

Do you mean Rory Scannell?

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Post by Sin é on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:44 am

carpet baboon wrote:Not sure Tommy bows and gilroy deserve there spots, would have liked to see. Byrne in there.
I take it sweetman is injured?

Sweetnam is injured. Conway is playing really well (and the way Schmidt likes his wingers - brave and really good in the air. Very pacy as well. Defence is excellent).

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Post by Sin é on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:44 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Do you mean Rory Scannell?

Opps! Yes.
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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 10:51 am

Sin é wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Not sure Tommy bows and gilroy deserve there spots, would have liked to see. Byrne in there.
I take it sweetman is injured?

Sweetnam is injured. Conway is playing really well (and the way Schmidt likes his wingers - brave and really good in the air. Very pacy as well. Defence is excellent).


True. He looks very good this year.

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Post by Maine man on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:06 am

Absolutely amazed that Bowe and Gilroy are in the squad.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:08 am

Maine man wrote:Absolutely amazed that Bowe and Gilroy are in the squad.

Who would you have there?

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Post by carpet baboon on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:19 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Maine man wrote:Absolutely amazed that Bowe and Gilroy are in the squad.

Who would you have there?

Byrne or the other young winger from Leinster who's name I have completely forgotten. Or Niyi.
Bowe and gilroy are just not playing well at the moment.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:23 am

Thought Bowe looked good against Bordeaux. Think Schmidt was at that game wasnt he?

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Post by marty2086 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:23 am

carpet baboon wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Maine man wrote:Absolutely amazed that Bowe and Gilroy are in the squad.

Who would you have there?

Byrne or the other young winger from Leinster who's name I have completely forgotten. Or Niyi.
Bowe and gilroy are just not playing well at the moment.

Gilroys barely playing at the minute hes behind Bowe/Trimble/Piutau/Ludik

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Post by Maine man on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:24 am

Byrne from Leinster should be in there.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:25 am

Byrne looks good alright but he can be kind of frustrating to watch too.

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Post by carpet baboon on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:26 am

Just looking at the back row options. My word we have some talent to pick from

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:29 am

carpet baboon wrote:Just looking at the back row options. My word we have some talent to pick from

Best back row squad in world rugby along side England.

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Post by carpet baboon on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:38 am

I would love to see a vdf stander conan combo tried out at some point

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:42 am

That would be a formidable combo. For me Stander, SOB and Heaslip is still out best combo though.

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Post by Pete330v2 on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:43 am

Is that an Ireland squad without any big names excluded due to injury?
Are we going into a 6 nations with a full selection to choose from ?
Surely not

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Re: Ireland 2016/17 season

Post by the-goon on Mon 23 Jan 2017, 11:44 am

Bar A Byrne for Gilroy, no complaints. But we are talking about the 6th choice winger here.

Lack of a true 3rd choice 10 is a slight concern. Who is the next best irish 10 that is fit? Ross Byrne I guess? Maybe Madigan? Keatley and Carty are not at the required standard.

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