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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 14 Sep 2016, 12:38 pm

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Table

POS
TEAM
-PL- -W- -D- -L- -PF- -PA- -DIFF- -TF- -TA- -TB- -LB- -PTS-
1
Saracens
2
2
0
0
69
16
53
9
1
2
0
10
2
Bath Rugby
2
2
0
0
76
19
57
8
3
1
0
9
3
Wasps
2
2
0
0
59
42
17
7
4
1
0
9
4
Northampton Saints
2
1
0
1
46
28
18
6
1
1
1
6
5
Sale Sharks
2
1
0
1
36
29
7
3
2
0
1
5
6
Leicester Tigers
2
1
0
1
60
65
-5
7
8
1
0
5
7
Harlequins
2
1
0
1
31
38
-7
3
4
0
0
4
8
Newcastle Falcons
2
1
0
1
24
75
-51
2
10
0
0
4
9
Gloucester Rugby
2
0
1
1
54
61
-7
6
8
1
1
4
10
Worcester Warriors
2
0
1
1
26
58
-32
3
6
0
0
2
11
Bristol Rugby
2
0
0
2
29
53
-24
4
6
0
1
1
12
Exeter Chiefs
2
0
0
2
33
59
-26
3
8
0
1
1


Fixtures

FRIDAY 16TH SEPTEMBER 2016

19:45 Sale v Gloucester BT Sport
The organised, but dare I say it slightly dull, Sale Sharks entertain the more mercurial but also much more dysfunctional Gloucester. Both teams had influential back rowers flattened by opponents subsequently receiving their marching orders last week. Sale especially would like skipper Beaumont to have passed the concussion protocols and be ready to play. In the end I suspect that Sale’s organisation and teamwork will win the day as they grind out a win.


SATURDAY 17TH SEPTEMBER 2016

15:00 Bath v Worcester
Having failed to score a try in Round 1, Bath ran in a whopping 8 in their crushing victory over Falcons in round 2. George Ford won the plaudits from opposing DoR Dean Richards, but special mention must be given to Max Clark, whose direct running and good hands allow time for the internationals either side of him. It is hard to say how well Bath played as by all accounts Falcons capitulated, but the tight 5 went well, back row better than expected and Fotuali’I looked a lot more like the 9 that Ospreys fans will remember (rather than Saints fans).
Worcester were perhaps unlucky to only draw last week, yet with the amount of mistakes made by Gloucester in that game they have only themselves to blame. They need players like Hougaard and Heem back. They need a better 10 than Ryan Lamb. With Bath’s back row still in disarray, even with Houston returning, someone is going to capitalise. Cannot see it being Worcester though.

15:00 Exeter v Harlequins
Having started the season with the worst two fixtures possible, last season’s runner up find themselves at the bottom of the table. Two defeats is not unexpected, but Rob Baxter will have been unhappy about the way the matches were lost and the number of tries conceded. Something is not quite working both in the pack and behind in the backs – but Baxter will be analysing everything in great detail to come up with an answer.
Quins fans are in despair. A squeaky win over new boys Bristol was followed by defeat away to Sale. That they lost in Salford is no surprise, but the manner of defeat with apparently a number of players looking almost disinterested is the main reason for the fans dissatisfaction. Travelling down to Devon is probably not the ideal trip – but maybe going as underdogs will allow Quins to relax and play their own game?
Exeter should, despite misfiring, have too much for Quins.

15:00 Saracens v Northampton BT Sport
Heavyweight clash in Barnet this week. George v Hartley, Mako v Brookes/Hill, Itoje v Lawes, Billy v Louis. Some contests to savour – but this match will be won by the collective not individuals. Sarries are slowly grinding their way into form, while pulverising opponents as they do it. Saints should not fold as Worcester and Exeter did but can they match the Allianz Juggernaut?
Having played poorly for most of the game in Round 1, their defence has largely stayed intact. Like their hosts just 1 try conceded in the two games so far is testament to their hard work. However can they create enough to truly scare Sarries? Gut feel is Saints will need the champions to be a touch off-colour if they are to get anything from this game.


SUNDAY 18TH SEPTEMBER 2016

14:30 Wasps v Bristol
Wasps host Bristol with two wins already under their belt. Dai Young will know that they are some way below their best so far but he will be pleased that the results are coming anyway. Last season they usually lost when not at their best.
Bristol are likely to make this a 3rd defeat in a row and despite showing early promise need to actually start getting results. Maybe next week.

15:00 Newcastle v Leicester BT Sport
Two teams who were happy after Round 1 and distraught after round 2. Two teams who need to play a lot better, show more application and dedication if they are to achieve their potential. Both sets of players should be truly embarrassed by their performances last week.


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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 4:47 pm

Are bath not playing as good as last week or are Worcester just better than us...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by kingelderfield on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 4:53 pm

Saints have challenged Saracens, but just didn't have the game to exploit their momentary dominance.

The A game of power is not enough it seems?

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by stub on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 4:54 pm

Don't know the answer that one Geordie!

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Heaf on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 4:55 pm

I suspect Bath are a bit inconsistent ...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by stub on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 5:00 pm

Worcester get nothing from that although they didn't play badly and some of the players lower down the pecking order gave a good account of themselves. They couldn't contain Bath in the second half and the game was lost from that point on. Shame, a losing bonus point or a try bonus point would have been great. Bath looked creative and incisive when they got the ball. Ford, Rocko, Bannahan and Watson caught the eye. Perhaps Baths tackling and defence was a bit suspect in the first half.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Heaf on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 5:14 pm

So in the first couple of rounds we've seen clearly forward passes allowed based on the direction of the hands supposedly going backwards (even when in some cases that was nonsense) - so what was wrong with the last non-try from Saints - the replay seemed to show in this case the hands clearly had gone backwards.  Yet again we can't get any consistence in refereeing.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Scottrf on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 5:30 pm

I agree, that wasn't a forward pass. But it was Waller's stupidity that cost us the match.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 5:32 pm

Ah so looks like bath found their feet in the second half. Maybe we won't be the only one to come a croppa down there!

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by stub on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 5:53 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ah so looks like bath found their feet in the second half. Maybe we won't be the only one to come a croppa down there!

Yes I reckon they look a very dangerous team and will I'm sure cause other teams problems as well. Worcester attacked hard for most of the first half which seemed the most effective way of containing bath.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Heaf on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 6:42 pm

Scottrf wrote:I agree, that wasn't a forward pass. But it was Waller's stupidity that cost us the match.
Yes but had the try been allowed that would have been a better result for me on Superbru Smile

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Ozzy3213 on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 7:36 pm

Bath looking very dangerous this season, even with what appears to be  long list of absentees.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by LondonTiger on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 8:27 pm

Ashton accused of biting, Waller binned - and only save from worse by pesuasive Tmo. Wigglesworth lucky not to be binned. Typically fractious game between two sides who seem to actively dislike each other.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 1:30 am

LondonTiger wrote:Typically fractious game between two sides who seem to actively dislike each other.
Shame we have to wait until the middle of April for the return fixture between these two.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by LondonTiger on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 2:54 pm

Ashton cited. Hope when decision guilt they judge the incident not the man. If guilty, sure Throw the boom at him, but hope they are fair when reacher a decision.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 2:58 pm

Ayerza pulls out of his role on the bench and so Mulipola comes in. Logo was a second half sub in the A league on Monday so we can't afford to lose Genge early doors.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:05 pm

Poor start from McGuigan. Lazy tackle allows a Falcons break through the middle and then that lineout was nowhere near straight but he gets away with it.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Cumbrian on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:08 pm

Good start from Falcons, can we keep it up?

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:09 pm

Tigers defensive organisation seems to be missing. Stop the Falcons maul and then Takalua snipes past a suicidal rushing out BOC to put Socino under the posts.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Cumbrian on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:13 pm

Agghhh! Got to convert chances like that!

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:14 pm

Dozen phases of pick and go from Falcons five metres out but it never tests the Tigers defence unduly. Could have been pinged for sealing off before knocking on. Should have snipped more as their scrum half looks lively.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:18 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Dozen phases of pick and go from Falcons five metres out but it never tests the Tigers defence unduly. Could have been pinged for sealing off before knocking on. Should have snipped more as their scrum half looks lively.

Newcastle were in at the side too just before it was knocked on.

We are absolutely crap again, no defence at all

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:19 pm

Oh their feet?

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:20 pm

That penalty was a touch harsh but we're making all the errors and giving Falcons easy opportunities to pressure. It's an easy game for them.

Tait as captain means we're never going to challenge the ref and try to get him onside.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:23 pm

7 Newcastle out you go, goes straight back in lol

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:24 pm

If we hadn't scored there it was three penalties and a yellow card for Falcons. They got off lightly woth us scoring in the corner, particularly if Burns misses a tough kick which he does.

Tigers dominating the maul on attack and defence.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:26 pm

Newcastle will have someone in the bin within the next 10 minutes

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:30 pm

Blatant obstruction by the 12!!!! Missed by the ref!!!

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Post by Cumbrian on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:31 pm

Ridiculous decision, that was a Falcons penalty not Leicester's!

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:32 pm

I agree, but you've had a few lucky calls already

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Cumbrian on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:33 pm

It's a question of perspective, I feel Leicester have their fair share...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:33 pm

Then you'd be wrong Wink

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:34 pm

And another blatant obstruction!!!!!

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:34 pm

The ref has let us off with at least two clearly not straight lineouts in or around the Falcons 22.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:35 pm

Blast ant crawling along the fall

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:36 pm

Ref has been lenient with both sides!

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:37 pm

No arms tackle by the Newcastle 12....


...yeah ok I'm stretching it a bit there

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Cumbrian on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:37 pm

nathan wrote:Then you'd be wrong Wink

Well I would be, I am disagreeing with you... Wink

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:37 pm

Glad you understand!

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Cumbrian on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:41 pm

Can't keep leaving these points on the pitch, we'll get punished for it.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Heaf on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:41 pm

Everyone just needs to accept JPD is a poor ref ...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:41 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ref has been lenient with both sides!

He has been generous in that regard. Great work by Lawson who asks the ref to maintain the gap even after the throw. As he throws it down his own line it completely takes out Kitchener who has been pressuring the Falcons jumpers. Means Falcons get a good maul set and win a pen.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:43 pm

Should we drop Tait? He's continually making the wrong decision so far this season

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:46 pm

40 minutes of my life I'll never get back

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:47 pm

nathan wrote:Should we drop Tait? He's continually making the wrong decision so far this season

Should have been dropped last week. How he's playing and captain is beyond me.

We are far too lateral. Betham looks barely interested and not keen to run a straight line, Tait coming in to the line has no effect but give the Falcons a chance at a turnover and Williams is playing like a 10. Oh if only Smith was fit. Maybe we should bring Thompstone on at 13, he's always committed and has no problem carrying into contact. Move Betham to the wing and TV to 15.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 3:49 pm

We need some ball carriers, bring logo on for the second half

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Heaf on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 4:04 pm

Falcons never 10 yards then

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 4:04 pm

Surely he wasn't behind the line?

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by Heaf on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 4:04 pm

Correct - another poor miss by Doyle - the guy is woeful

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by nathan on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 4:08 pm

We are so easy to play against, I have a feeling we are going to be awful this year

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 3

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 4:11 pm

nathan wrote:We are so easy to play against, I have a feeling we are going to be awful this year

It's not hard to believe that given the displays so far. We've managed one good half of attacking rugby so far.

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