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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 14 Sep 2016, 2:16 pm

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I thought we'd start with the Autumn series. Gatland the Great is set to return and shake things up after another disappointing season underneath the Howler and his pal McBryde. The fixtures for this series are as follows:

November 2017
Sat 11th Nov 17 17:15
Wales v Australia
Sat 18th Nov 17 14:30
Wales v Georgia
Sat 25th Nov 17 17:15
Wales v New Zealand
December 2017
Sat 2nd Dec 17 14:30
Wales v South Africa






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Well there's no time like now so why not. Last year was a bit disappointing, topped off with an unsuccessful tour to NZ (as expected). Whilst I'm hoping for better this season my expectations are low as we have Howler and some other amateurs in charge who got the job because they were mates with Gatland and others in the WRU.

AI's
Wales V Australia 05/11/2016
8 - 32
Wales V Argentina 12/11/2016
24 - 20
Wales V Japan 19/11/2016
33 - 30
Wales V South Africa 26/11/2016
27 - 13

6 Nations
Italy V Wales 05/02/2017
7 - 33
Wales V England 11/02/2017
16 - 21
Scotland V Wales 25/02/2017
29 - 13
Wales V Ireland 10/03/2017
22 - 9
France V Wales 18/03/2017
20 -18

Very tough AI series but a kind start in the 6N. So far this season Blues and Ospreys look good, but how many of their players will be starters for Wales? Cuthbert is starting to look like his old self and if this continues he could come back into the team. Tomos Williams looks like a good player and if he also continues in this vein then might he take advantage of Gareth Davies' supposed rustiness? It's still early days but going by what I've seen and the reports I've read I would like to see a new centre partnership and also perhaps see our old back 3 of North, Cuthbert and Halfpenny reinstated - although a lot could happen between now and November. With Faletau out I think we can all guess who the wildcards will be, but who does that leave to play at No.8 - possibly Warburton with Ellis Jenkins at 7? What changes (if any) would you like to see? Keep it sensible please.

WALES 2016 UNDER ARMOUR SERIES SQUAD
Prop Scott Andrews (Cardiff Blues) (12 Caps) Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (14 Caps) Rhys Gill (Cardiff Blues) (6 Caps) Gethin Jenkins (Cardiff Blues) (126 Caps) Samson Lee (Scarlets) (28 Caps) Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (3 Caps)
Hooker Scott Baldwin (Ospreys) (24 Caps) Kristian Dacey (Cardiff Blues) (3 Caps) Ken Owens (Scarlets) (42 Caps)
Second Row Jake Ball (Scarlets) (20 Caps) Luke Charteris (Bath Rugby) (68 Caps) Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (56 Caps) Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys) (102 Caps) Rory Thornton (Ospreys) (UNCAPPED)
Back Row Dan Baker (Ospreys) (3 Caps) Taulupe Faletau* (Bath Rugby) (61 Caps) James King (Ospreys) (8 Caps) Dan Lydiate (Ospreys) (57 Caps) Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) (9 Caps) Justin Tipuric (Ospreys) (43 Caps) Sam Warburton (CAPT) (Cardiff Blues) (67 Caps)
Scrum Half Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (17 Caps) Rhys Webb (Ospreys) (22 Caps) Lloyd Williams (Cardiff Blues) (27 Caps)
Fly Half Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues) (8 Caps) Dan Biggar (Ospreys) (48 Caps) Sam Davies (Ospreys) (UNCAPPED)
Centre Jonathan Davies (Scarlets) (56 Caps) Tyler Morgan (Newport Gwent Dragons) (3 Caps) Jamie Roberts* (Harlequins) (83 Caps) Scott Williams (Scarlets) (38 Caps)
Wing/Full Back Hallam Amos (Newport Gwent Dragons) (10 Caps) Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues) (42 Caps) Leigh Halfpenny (Toulon) (62 Caps) George North* (Northampton Saints) (62 Caps) Liam Williams (Scarlets) (35 Caps) * Denotes Senior Player Selection Policy wildcard selection.
Ospreys wing Keelan Giles, Cardiff Blues full-back Rhun Williams and Dragons pair Leon Brown and Harrison Keddie will train with the Wales squad.  


June summer tour
Tonga 6 - 24 Wales
Samoa 17 - 19 Wales


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Re: Wales thread continued - 2017/18 season

Post by munkian on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 9:49 am

Tyler Morgan released to Dragons from Wales squad with injury, Scot Williams called up.
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Post by RiscaGame on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 2:55 pm

Shame for Tyler. He is pretty unlucky with his injuries.

Good for Scott Williams. Quite a few think he should never have been left out in the first place. I don't think he will play very often though.

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 3:14 pm

Sounds to me as if Patchell is the man, big and able to pass. Just saw Cuthbert is in the mix, he must have pics of Gats naked with Howley

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Post by munkian on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 3:16 pm

Gwlad wrote:Sounds to me as if Patchell is the man, big and able to pass. Just saw Cuthbert is in the mix, he must have pics of Gats naked with Howley

He'd look daft if he abandoned his playmaker at 12 thing and went with SW.

Vintage Cuthbert was class but he wants taking behind the stable and shooting now.

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 3:58 pm

munkian wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Sounds to me as if Patchell is the man, big and able to pass. Just saw Cuthbert is in the mix, he must have pics of Gats naked with Howley

He'd look daft if he abandoned his playmaker at 12 thing and went with SW.

Vintage Cuthbert was class but he wants taking behind the stable and shooting now.


I'd prefer if he were put in the stable with the stallion with the big #####

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Post by chris_501 on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 9:17 am

munkian wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Sounds to me as if Patchell is the man, big and able to pass. Just saw Cuthbert is in the mix, he must have pics of Gats naked with Howley

He'd look daft if he abandoned his playmaker at 12 thing and went with SW.

Vintage Cuthbert was class but he wants taking behind the stable and shooting now.


I'm happier now that SW is there now, hopefully he has an opportunity to shine. He's been great regionally but not quite made the step up consistently at international level.

As for back 3, I would love to see a back 3 of Evans, Amos and Williams. All those guys are on good form, and look confident with the ball in hand.

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Post by munkian on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 9:42 am

chris_501 wrote:
munkian wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Sounds to me as if Patchell is the man, big and able to pass. Just saw Cuthbert is in the mix, he must have pics of Gats naked with Howley

He'd look daft if he abandoned his playmaker at 12 thing and went with SW.

Vintage Cuthbert was class but he wants taking behind the stable and shooting now.


I'm happier now that SW is there now, hopefully he has an opportunity to shine. He's been great regionally but not quite made the step up consistently at international level.

As for back 3, I would love to see a back 3 of Evans, Amos and Williams. All those guys are on good form, and look confident with the ball in hand.

He hasn't really been inform 'regionally' most of the season though which is why I don't understand all the p*ss boiling from turk fans.
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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 1:18 pm

He is also the only available for Australia player released back to the regions this weekend. As I thought, he won't get much opportunity to play for TW this autumn, even if some are now happy he's in the squad.

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Post by munkian on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 1:22 pm

RiscaGame wrote:He is also the only available for Australia player released back to the regions this weekend. As I thought, he won't get much opportunity to play for TW this autumn, even if some are now happy he's in the squad.

I hoped more players would have been released, that's the region's next round in the league bollixed.
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Post by LordDowlais on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 10:47 am

So Wales start their AI campaign in 6 days time. Are we using this thread to discuss it ?

Or are we going to do match threads ?

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Post by munkian on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 11:30 am

LordDowlais wrote:So Wales start their AI campaign in 6 days time. Are we using this thread to discuss it ?

Or are we going to do match threads ?

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Post by RiscaGame on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 12:01 pm

munkian wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:He is also the only available for Australia player released back to the regions this weekend. As I thought, he won't get much opportunity to play for TW this autumn, even if some are now happy he's in the squad.

I hoped more players would have been released, that's the region's next round in the league bollixed.

Missed this sorry. Yes, more should’ve been released really. Maybe we wouldn’t have wanted ours, seeing as Munster away wasn’t really our bag, but I suspect a few others would’ve fancied some Team Wales fringe players. Certainly Ospreys for a start.

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Post by cascough on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 12:28 pm

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munkian wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Sounds to me as if Patchell is the man, big and able to pass. Just saw Cuthbert is in the mix, he must have pics of Gats naked with Howley

He'd look daft if he abandoned his playmaker at 12 thing and went with SW.

Vintage Cuthbert was class but he wants taking behind the stable and shooting now.


I'm happier now that SW is there now, hopefully he has an opportunity to shine. He's been great regionally but not quite made the step up consistently at international level.

As for back 3, I would love to see a back 3 of Evans, Amos and Williams. All those guys are on good form, and look confident with the ball in hand.

I only found this out recently, and I was pretty surprised. Scott Williams has 48 caps! I'd have thought 48 caps was enough to see if he was going to make the grade. I think the change of direction was a sensible one.

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 12:31 pm

munkian wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:So Wales start their AI campaign in 6 days time. Are we using this thread to discuss it ?

Or are we going to do match threads ?

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Post by chris_501 on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 2:02 pm

The biggest debate seems to be who will play at 12.

Owen Williams seems to be the favourite, however he has not played much for Glos there.

Maybe Patchell out of position?

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 2:54 pm

munkian wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:He is also the only available for Australia player released back to the regions this weekend. As I thought, he won't get much opportunity to play for TW this autumn, even if some are now happy he's in the squad.

I hoped more players would have been released, that's the region's next round in the league bollixed.

Plus Europe kicks off again, 6 days after the Wales v S Africa game.
No doubt there'll be a few missing following the Autumn bash.

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Post by munkian on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 3:04 pm

Webb and Tipuric injury doubts for Saturday.

Navidi at 7 against Hooper is going to be real horror show.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 3:55 pm

Nah, it'll be fine. If Navidi's struggling, we'll just bring Sam Cross off the bench.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 6:23 pm

I can't picture Navidi struggling, and if we're playing expansively then it suits his style of play as it does Shingler's. I can't recall when we've had so many injuries at 7, now our depth here really gets tested.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 6:24 pm

LordDowlais wrote:So Wales start their AI campaign in 6 days time. Are we using this thread to discuss it ?

Or are we going to do match threads ?

This is more of a season discussion thread, so it wouldn't be any bother to have a match thread for each game.

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Post by carpet baboon on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 7:24 pm

Evening Welsh folk.

What are you looking for in the autumn internationals?
What would you see as successful?
Any new players you have high hopes for?
And have I heard that TW are looking to play a more open fast game ?

And also good luck.

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Post by RiscaGame on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 9:06 pm

I actually wouldn’t be surprised to see Gatland start Cross. He clearly isn’t Navidi’s biggest fan.

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Post by munkian on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 9:05 am

carpet baboon wrote:Evening Welsh folk.

What are you looking for in the autumn internationals?
What would you see as successful?
Any new players you have high hopes for?
And have I heard that TW are looking to play a more open fast game ?

And also good luck.

Morning.

I'd like us to play with some style and confidence - high risk high reward stuff.

I'd see 3 out of 4 wins as 'successful' but 2 out of 4 as realistic. I'd be more confident if we didn't have so many back row injuries.

I hope Elliot Dee gets a fair bit of match time at hooker and Brown gets a run. I'm hoping for big things for them in the years to come.

Gatland etc have said they want to have a play maker at 10 and 12 - Its hardly revolutionary stuff and was fairly standard before we liked huge centres and backs.

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Post by chris_501 on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 2:14 pm

I guess the big centres coincided with Roberts and JD2 being by far our best two centres.

Roberts has slightly dropped off the level he was at so it now opens the door to whoever is the best 12, unfortunately it's not that apparent, but may be at the end of this set of AIs.

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Post by Gwlad on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 2:05 am

Apparently Gats has reinvented the wheel, Welsh rugby is now all about the offload. Funny that since he destroyed that natural instinct because it was based on our natural catch up rugby ability and he thought route 1 smash it up was more effective. But against SH teams we have always been better playing a wider game.

We just effectively wasted 9 years of rugby evolution.

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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 11:42 am

Lol, only 9 years?
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Post by SecretFly on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 11:43 am

Gwlad wrote:Apparently Gats has reinvented the wheel, Welsh rugby is now all about the offload. Funny that since he destroyed that natural instinct because it was based on our natural catch up rugby ability and he thought route 1 smash it up was more effective. But against SH teams we have always been better playing a wider game.

We just effectively wasted 9 years of rugby evolution.

That's okay. Gats doesn't have a long memory or nothing Whistle ....so he'll have forgotten the 9 previous years already?

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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 2:38 pm

Lets hope he doesn't forget about the Lions.
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Post by chris_501 on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 2:56 pm

We haven't had a good ball playing centre since Henson playing in any of the regions, so there hasn't been anyone really to select internationally.

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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 3:08 pm

Ah, Henson.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 2:20 am

HERSH is a fat and bald muppet - that much Gatland knows.

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Post by munkian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:13 am

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:15 am

So this is it then ?

We are using this thread as the match thread ?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:16 am

If you want to start a match thread, start a match thread!

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:29 am

Wales haven't won their opening Autumn international since beating Romania in 2002.

Just thought I'd cheer everyone up with that.

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Post by munkian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:35 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:If you want to start a match thread, start a match thread!

I did mun
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Post by chris_501 on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:36 am

No Samson Lee is a bit of a shock.

Not much experience on that bench, I still don't get the Sam Cross decision.

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:39 am

Ahem, match thread here please:-

http://www.606v2.com/t66750-wales-v-australia-11th-november

We will have no match talk on here thanks. Lets all jump onto munkians thread that he has put together. OK

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Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:01 pm

Looks a fairly settled side

Is much expected of the flankers? I know they're fairly experienced club players, but is it a case of real competition for Warburton/Tipuric or just to fill a gap while they're out

I thought the likes of Davies/Griffiths would have been close at 7

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:07 pm

Davies and Griffiths are both injured, as is Ellis Jenkins.

Thomas Young, on the other hand, is as fit as a fiddle, but Gatland decided to go with a journeyman and a Sevens specialist instead.

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Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:18 pm

Ah ok, that's a fair few out injured then, that explains it, thanks LP

Young is a good player for sure

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Post by gcBlues on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:36 pm

Josh Navidi is a journeyman?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:38 pm

Journeyman (noun) - a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.

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Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:40 pm

Which game do you think is more of a priority this autumn .. Australia or SA?

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Post by munkian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:51 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Journeyman (noun) - a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.

Yup, solid club player, not international standard.

People often confuse the term with someone whose moved around a lot.
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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 1:45 pm

chris_501 wrote:No Samson Lee is a bit of a shock.

Not much experience on that bench, I still don't get the Sam Cross decision.

Lee has an Achilles problem. Shocked

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 1:47 pm

Clearly Australia will probably target the 10/12 channel and expect a bit of joy from Hooper.

Really hope Steff Evans gets a real opportunity to shine.

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Post by munkian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 1:54 pm

RiscaGame wrote:Clearly Australia will probably target the 10/12 channel and expect a bit of joy from Hooper.

Really hope Steff Evans gets a real opportunity to shine.

Hope Sanjay gets some ball too.

Really disappointed Biggar is still 10, he stands very deep.
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Post by TightHEAD on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 12:16 pm

Can't see Wales getting anything out of this game apart from a bloody nose.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 12:22 pm

munkian wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:Clearly Australia will probably target the 10/12 channel and expect a bit of joy from Hooper.

Really hope Steff Evans gets a real opportunity to shine.

Hope Sanjay gets some ball too.

Really disappointed Biggar is still 10, he stands very deep.

It's a bit of a fudge really - they say they want to play a more expansive game and then go with an outside half who, for all his qualities, has never been a footballer. And it's no good him just shipping it on to Owen Williams for him to make something happen, because he'll have even less time on the ball. You need an outside half who's a threat in his own right.

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