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Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 3:32 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/37397911

Missed this when it came out a couple of days ago but Jones talk here about NZ controling the world of rugby in the sense of both their players and managers moving to Europe among other places and getting a different experience, more focus on set piece etc and taking that back home to benefit the national side. When we see a few young players going across like Earle for England there certainly is a glaring lack of coaches doing similar. Not sure I agree that we'd need to pay franchises etc to take our coaches though. As we see NZ seemingly getting better and arguments about whether NZ even have a weakness at all anymore in their national team do we (England or NH in general) need to rethink the progression of our coaches or just refuse jobs for the Kiwis?!

'England boss Eddie Jones has called on the Rugby Football Union (RFU) to develop English coaches by paying for them to work in Super Rugby.
The Australian says England can learn from New Zealand, who have won back-to-back World Cups under former Wales bosses Graham Henry and Steve Hansen.
"English coaches need to get that other bit of the game which is there in the southern hemisphere," he told PA Sport.
"It would cost money, but the RFU could do it," added Jones.

Jones has said that New Zealand "control the world" and "every bit of rugby", partly because of their success at sending up-and-coming coaches to Europe to provide them with a different perspective on the game.

The former Japan and Australia boss believes England would profit from a similar approach, but says the RFU would need to be willing to invest.
"The only way a Super Rugby side is going to take them is [for the RFU] to pay for their salary," he explained.

"Steve Hansen and Graham Henry had stints in Wales where they rounded off their coaching experience, and it's no coincidence that New Zealand have become a better all-round team because of that.

"They take the good parts of the game up here - the expertise in the set-piece - and take it back to the southern hemisphere."

Super Rugby is the leading club rugby union competition in the southern hemisphere, with teams from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Japan and Argentina taking part.'

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 3:44 pm

Makes a lot of sense.

Id like to see more players going across first and foremost. But of course they wont if they lose their England spots.

Maybe more players at a younger age need to go across!

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 4:21 pm


Eddie being Eddie.

Eddie seems to be developing quite an obsession with New Zealand, last week he was going on about New Zealand's weaknesses, although he didnt want to name them, this week he wants young coaches to come down here and learn their trade.

Me thinks this is more about keeping young New Zealand coaches out of coaching positions in the UK rather than the other way round. There are New Zealanders coaching Rugby across most of the Globe, not just the UK.

OR Eddie is feeling a bit left out because hes not part the Rugby Championship which has all the current attention of International Rugby.

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Post by Cyril on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 4:36 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:OR Eddie is feeling a bit left out because hes not part the Rugby Championship which has all the current attention of International Rugby.
Does it have everyone's attention because:

a) It's a one-horse race and kinda boring?

or

b) It's a gouging free-for-all (well, it is if you play for one side)?

You guys love Eddie. You can't get enough of him!

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Post by fa0019 on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 4:42 pm

The Sharks have a long history of taking foreign coaches and players from John Plumtree as coach and players such as Gregor Townsend, Freddie Michelak and um Andy Goode.

The question is would they be able to afford such coaches and even if they did do they really want to help another country excel over them once the coaches have gone home and learnt the business?

SA would only be interested in major coaches who would command top dollar prices (probably beyond SA franchises).

The thing is what can English coaches offer SA teams? Their games are so similar

Perhaps AUS would benefit from a more focused forward game and long term strategy.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 4:45 pm

Its only boring if you dont understand it .

I cant recall one incident of gouging all tournament, all up its been a very clean display of progressive running Rugby.

We are generous folk, we are more than willing for you to have Eddie, and hes good for the UK Rugby press.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Wed 21 Sep 2016, 4:47 pm

fa0019 wrote:The Sharks have a long history of taking foreign coaches and players from John Plumtree as coach and players such as Gregor Townsend, Freddie Michelak and um Andy Goode.

The question is would they be able to afford such coaches and even if they did do they really want to help another country excel over them once the coaches have gone home and learnt the business?

SA would only be interested in major coaches who would command top dollar prices (probably beyond SA franchises).

The thing is what can English coaches offer SA teams? Their games are so similar

Perhaps AUS would benefit from a more focused forward game and long term strategy.


And John Mitchell.

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Post by yappysnap on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 10:55 am

A few English forwards/defence coaches could probably get jobs in any of the teams down there. Likewise a few of the top Prem DoR/Head coaches could too, as it's all about man management for them which ever team they're at.

How about a club doing an exchange for a year?

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Post by propdavid_london on Mon 26 Sep 2016, 2:15 pm

It would make a nice change for some of our Northern Hem coaching staff to cut their teeth down south and then come back with more experience and clout. The other direction is a well worn path - Henry, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Schmidt, Chekha, Blackadder, Vern Cotter.

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Post by propdavid_london on Mon 26 Sep 2016, 2:16 pm

Forgot Jake White and Montpellier

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