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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 29 Sep 2016, 1:03 pm

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Post by McLaren on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 1:51 pm

Is anyone else starting to doubt the DJ/Koepka fight story?  Different versions have its location in the Europe team room, at the after party or on the US flight home.

The flight home theory doesn't make sense because Koepka is playing he Dunhill and at the moment Koepka and his manager have denied that anything happened.

Essentially we have an anonymous source and DJ's wife deleting photots on instagram.  

I guess the only hope of finding out whether it happened and any other juicy gossip from the week is to get Reed talking more.
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Post by Roller_Coaster on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 2:53 pm

It was allegedly the flight to the ryder cup, not from. And I thought a further one at the party. European team room would be a very odd place for 2 Americans to end up having a fight.

I doubt anything happened. I doubt DJ notices anything, let alone rises to it.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 3:20 pm

Mac,
DJ doesn't have a wife - well, he may, but not one that was anywhere near the RC.

I think there were multiple witnesses from the Euros' Team Room - "co-mingling" of teams after the event is common.

There were separate, uncorroborated as far as I can see, reports of heated arguments on the Team Bus and flight to Paris - which allegedly required Skipper Jim's intervention.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 3:28 pm

So DJ and Paulina aren't married?


If the skirmish happened on the way to Paris then they must have made up pretty quickly because they played the Saturday foursomes together.  But I still have the feeling that even if they did have some disagreement it wasn't the bust up the media would like it to have been.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 7:27 pm

JAS wrote:
super_realist wrote:Funny how the Yanks behave like children when beaten, a bit the revolting Serena Williams did the other week, they just can't take losing.

When Europe got pumped by the US in America in 2016, there was nothing like this level of petulance and indignation. There might have been a few noses out of joint, and there might have been a collective disappointment but you win as a team, and you lose as a team. The US are showing no class at all here. Just admit you got outplayed and out thought and move on to the next one.

This just stinks of the US being bad losers, they were soundly beaten, partly because of their lack of preparation, and partly some laughable picks like Woods and Mickelson being picked on name and for media/commercial reasons,  but if you can't accept losing as a team responsibility, how can you move on?

How could you not play the course before and still expect to win? I presume that the European Captain will ensure that all the players will get over to Whistling Straits and get a few rounds under their belt well before Ryder Cup week next time.

We all know how much you dislike Woods but you can’t call him a laughable pick this time round. He’d trended significantly upward in the rankings all year. Contended in at least a couple of the Majors and quickly justified his pick by winning the TC. Yes in the end he was dross but was there anyway the Capt was going to know at what point he was going to run out of gas? Mickelson on the other hand...wtf?? Had I been Shuffler or Kisner I’d have been extremely hacked off. He just had no form. You can’t even put Mickelson in the Sergio/Poulter bracket of “It’s what they bring to the team room” because Mickelson pretty much smashed up the team room at Gleneagles.

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I absolutely can call him a laughable pick. He's got a history of being dreadful in the Ryder Cup, and in most of his Ryder Cup years, he's been in rude form ahead of that, so his form this time was a complete irrelevance. He clearly doesn't fit in well with a team, his record is appalling for a player of his standard and this is not the first time he's played in the event and looked completely disinterested, also bearing in mind that it was obvious that this was a course which rewarded accuracy, and not one for one of  the least accurate drivers on tour, I would have thought that Bishop Zach Johnson would have been a much more prudent pick. There's nothing about Woods game which suited that course.

Bear in mind also that Sergio was in wretched form going into the event, but became the highest points scorer in Ryder Cup history despite that shows that Bjorn knows WHY to pick someone, whereas Furyk picked on sentiment and irrelevancies. America constantly pick square pegs for round holes and this was just another example. They'd be mad to pick him again, but of course they will.

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Post by beninho on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 8:03 pm

How can Tiger Woods not fit in well with a team when ye has a 60% plus win ratio in presidents cup. All the talk of woods record in the rc but jim furyks is even worse. Maybe just unlucky to be in an era of poor teams.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 8:09 pm

OK, first of all we could say he doesn't fit into Ryder Cup if you want to be a pedant, furthermore the Presidents Cup is about as important as the Seve Trophy, and no one cares about that either, not to mention how second rate the ROW team usually is and because of the geographical spread, they're even less united than the US Ryder Cup team is, so much so they probably have to introduce themselves on the first tee to their playing partner.


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Post by McLaren on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 2:35 pm

You do have to wonder where the RC fits into the priorities of the players from Europe compared to the USA.

For the European players RC qualification is likely to form part of their main career goals and something they actively plan to achieve.  For the USA players I wouldn't mind betting that winning on the PGAT and winning majors is a higher priority.  Another way to look at it might be that EU's (Rory aside) would see major success as a bonus or side effect of playing well enough to get on the RC whereas many of the USA team see the RC as a bonus for playing well on the PGAT or in majors.

Spieth, Thomas, Tiger, Phil, Reed, Koepka etc would not accept RC success as a substitute for lack of major success when their careers wind up. But over the years the likes of Westwood, Poulter, DC (I know), MAJ, Bjorn, Garcia (again I know, but if he hadn't) etc seem to have got genuine career satisfaction from their RC experiences.  Tiger wouldn't trade even a WGC for a few extra RC points over his career.

If we accept this difference in perspective towards the RC between the two sides it makes sense that the Euro players are more together and have better cohesion come the event because they all share winning the RC as a key career goal.  If the RC isn't your main priority do you bother to bond with teammates over the season or put petty differences aside come the hour if you have not been focused on it outside the week of the event?
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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 3:20 pm

McLaren wrote:You do have to wonder where the RC fits into the priorities of the players from Europe compared to the USA.

For the European players RC qualification is likely to form part of their main career goals and something they actively plan to achieve.  For the USA players I wouldn't mind betting that winning on the PGAT and winning majors is a higher priority.  Another way to look at it might be that EU's (Rory aside) would see major success as a bonus or side effect of playing well enough to get on the RC whereas many of the USA team see the RC as a bonus for playing well on the PGAT or in majors.

Spieth, Thomas, Tiger, Phil, Reed, Koepka etc would not accept RC success as a substitute for lack of major success when their careers wind up. But over the years the likes of Westwood, Poulter, DC (I know), MAJ, Bjorn, Garcia (again I know, but if he hadn't) etc seem to have got genuine career satisfaction from their RC experiences.  Tiger wouldn't trade even a WGC for a few extra RC points over his career.

If we accept this difference in perspective towards the RC between the two sides it makes sense that the Euro players are more together and have better cohesion come the event because they all share winning the RC as a key career goal.  If the RC isn't your main priority do you bother to bond with teammates over the season or put petty differences aside come the hour if you have not been focused on it outside the week of the event?


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I think you're very close to the truth here; NBC asked Feherty for his perspective and his take was that the Europeans have two Majors, The Open and the Ryder Cup, whereas the US pros have wider objectives, whether the other Majors, WGC's, FedEx, whatever.

My take would be that both sets of pros have similar goals as far as making the RC (and PC) Teams, but the Europeans see making the Team as a stepping stone to winning the damn thing - see the Torrance video.
After all, Justin Thomas was the only player to make the effort to contest the Open De France, and was seemingly the most invested in winning - he certainly played that way.
Certainly I would say the FedEx Cup is less important to most Europeans than it is to the US pros - hence neither Phil nor Tiger, the two who have complained most about exhaustion, taking a Play-Off week off, only to turn up in Paris knackered. Even though as one-time Vice Captains you'd've thought they'd accept some leadership responsibility. Obviously not, as DeChambeau, for instance, discovered to his chagrin.

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Post by Diggers on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 4:48 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
McLaren wrote:You do have to wonder where the RC fits into the priorities of the players from Europe compared to the USA.

For the European players RC qualification is likely to form part of their main career goals and something they actively plan to achieve.  For the USA players I wouldn't mind betting that winning on the PGAT and winning majors is a higher priority.  Another way to look at it might be that EU's (Rory aside) would see major success as a bonus or side effect of playing well enough to get on the RC whereas many of the USA team see the RC as a bonus for playing well on the PGAT or in majors.

Spieth, Thomas, Tiger, Phil, Reed, Koepka etc would not accept RC success as a substitute for lack of major success when their careers wind up. But over the years the likes of Westwood, Poulter, DC (I know), MAJ, Bjorn, Garcia (again I know, but if he hadn't) etc seem to have got genuine career satisfaction from their RC experiences.  Tiger wouldn't trade even a WGC for a few extra RC points over his career.

If we accept this difference in perspective towards the RC between the two sides it makes sense that the Euro players are more together and have better cohesion come the event because they all share winning the RC as a key career goal.  If the RC isn't your main priority do you bother to bond with teammates over the season or put petty differences aside come the hour if you have not been focused on it outside the week of the event?


Mac,
I think you're very close to the truth here; NBC asked Feherty for his perspective and his take was that the Europeans have two Majors, The Open and the Ryder Cup, whereas the US pros have wider objectives, whether the other Majors, WGC's, FedEx, whatever.

My take would be that both sets of pros have similar goals as far as making the RC (and PC) Teams, but the Europeans see making the Team as a stepping stone to winning the damn thing - see the Torrance video.
After all, Justin Thomas was the only player to make the effort to contest the Open De France, and was seemingly the most invested in winning - he certainly played that way.
Certainly I would say the FedEx Cup is less important to most Europeans than it is to the US pros - hence neither Phil nor Tiger, the two who have complained most about exhaustion, taking a Play-Off week off, only to turn up in Paris knackered. Even though as one-time Vice Captains you'd've thought they'd accept some leadership responsibility. Obviously not, as DeChambeau, for instance, discovered to his chagrin.

Then again, if the US win big next time maybe you'd have to think a lot of it is down to home advantage.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 4:53 pm

But then again, Europe has split the last eight on US soil . . . . . .

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Post by Diggers on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 5:40 pm

True enough. I guess it's whether the last 2 are a new trend or just a blip. You'd certainly want away wins (on both sides really), otherwise it would all become a bit predictable.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 5:55 pm

McLaren wrote:You do have to wonder where the RC fits into the priorities of the players from Europe compared to the USA.

For the European players RC qualification is likely to form part of their main career goals and something they actively plan to achieve.  For the USA players I wouldn't mind betting that winning on the PGAT and winning majors is a higher priority.  Another way to look at it might be that EU's (Rory aside) would see major success as a bonus or side effect of playing well enough to get on the RC whereas many of the USA team see the RC as a bonus for playing well on the PGAT or in majors.

Spieth, Thomas, Tiger, Phil, Reed, Koepka etc would not accept RC success as a substitute for lack of major success when their careers wind up. But over the years the likes of Westwood, Poulter, DC (I know), MAJ, Bjorn, Garcia (again I know, but if he hadn't) etc seem to have got genuine career satisfaction from their RC experiences.  Tiger wouldn't trade even a WGC for a few extra RC points over his career.

If we accept this difference in perspective towards the RC between the two sides it makes sense that the Euro players are more together and have better cohesion come the event because they all share winning the RC as a key career goal.  If the RC isn't your main priority do you bother to bond with teammates over the season or put petty differences aside come the hour if you have not been focused on it outside the week of the event?


If the Americans don't care about winning don't care very much for the event, why do players with lamentable records like Mickelson and Woods bother humiliating themselves every two years? Why is there big bust ups and rage against Captains? You don't do that if you don't care about something. Do they care less? Possibly a little bit yes, but on the other hand perhaps not, remember Hunter Mahan bawling his eyes out?

Nobody is suggesting any player would forego personal major hauls to win the Ryder Cup, but to suggest that they don't care about it, or care less about it is pretty wide of the mark. Just because Burnley don't win the Premier League, doesn't mean they don't care about it less than Man City do.

It's not a case of bothering to put "petty differences" aside, that's just something you do if you have a winning attitude and understand what teams are about. Woods has only ever won ONE Ryder Cup, I bet he'd love to trade a WGC to win another (at least it's a more tasteful trophy for a start than those hideous clay pots that belong on a geriatrics sideboard)

You might have a point that 9C doesn't care much for the event, given his body language, self love and lack of team ethic, but I see the others as something they are really keen to win, and I'm sure there would have been wild celebrations on the USA side had it been them winning at the weekend, just as they did in 2016 when they finally did win again.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 6:58 pm

Jesus Christ, I'm just watching an instruction golf programme on Sky from Woburn (presumably a couple of years old) and Di Stewart looks awful. She used to be a normal looking, almost Danish, sweet, girl next door type, now she looks like Cruella De Ville with a bad facelift and a kilo of botox.

Why do these women do it to themselves?

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Post by beninho on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 9:25 pm

Woman looks different 3 years later after having second child shock.

I doubt she has had a facelift.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 9:29 pm

Nothing to do with having a second child, plenty of people look just fine, she looks so thin in the face.
She used to look so natural, now she is anything but. Of course people lose looks as they get older, but she looks a completely different person, at least in that programme, which went back to Westwood's British Masters hosting, so I think that was pre-2nd baby, but she looked like scheisse.

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Post by raycastleunited on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 12:00 pm

super_realist wrote:Jesus Christ, I'm just watching an instruction golf programme on Sky from Woburn (presumably a couple of years old) and Di Stewart looks awful. She used to be a normal looking, almost Danish, sweet, girl next door type, now she looks like Cruella De Ville with a bad facelift and a kilo of botox.

Why do these women do it to themselves?

Did you see the Apprentice on Wednesday? The women looked like extras from a horror show, they probably had to transport the botox in a tanker.

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Post by McLaren on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 2:17 pm

What a minger

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Post by super_realist on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 6:52 pm

McLaren wrote:What a minger

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Mac, as usual, you've missed the point. I was talking about a SPECIFIC appearance on a show. She simply looked bizarre, not like herself at all. All angular, unnatural, botox and looked like she'd had a lot of work. I've never seen her look as terrible as that before, or since.

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Post by pedro on Tue 09 Oct 2018, 10:25 pm

Seriously?? Shocked Shocked Shocked
https://mobile.twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/1049702373591986176


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Post by pedro on Wed 10 Oct 2018, 8:10 pm

Consensus that Harrington will be the next RC captain. Personally I don’t think it’d be a wise choice.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 10 Oct 2018, 8:12 pm

Nor do I, he's a nincompoop.

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Post by raycastleunited on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 2:53 pm

pedro wrote:Consensus that Harrington will be the next RC captain. Personally I don’t think it’d be a wise choice.

He'll be better than Darren Clarke

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Post by I'm never wrong on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 1:17 pm

Well Pedro has been proven correct. Should have put money on it.

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Post by pedro on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 1:22 pm

Congrats USA! 17-11.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 3:30 pm

Fair play to Coláiste Éanna in Rathfarnham producing two Ryder cup captains in the last 10 years. Impressive for such a small school.

Good luck to Harrington, no better man for the job.

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Post by raycastleunited on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 3:46 pm

Will Harrington be a good captain? Unconventional maybe. But is the back room now filled with so many VC's and advisors that one individual has little impact?

Will Stricker be a good captain?

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Post by Collapse2005 on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 3:52 pm

In what way do you expect him to be unconventional?

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Post by Roller_Coaster on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 3:56 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Fair play to Coláiste Éanna in Rathfarnham producing two Ryder cup captains in the last 10 years. Impressive for such a small school.

Good luck to Harrington, no better man for the job.

I've played at Rathfarnham. Won a golf glove for nearest the pin. Ball was about 6 inches away. I'm now holding my thumb and forefinger about an inch apart to indicate "six inches" while stifling a ridiculously childish giggle.

Didn't go to the school. Or Captain the Ryder Cup side.

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Post by JAS on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 4:14 pm

I think it’s a fair shout, hope he does well, to be fair Europe seem to have a tried and trusted format which seems to work, most of the time. He’s got plenty of experience of successful previous Captains to call on.

Each time a Captain is announced there are always naysayers that help keep the rest of us getting carried away. I remember a LOT of negativity about McGinley (silly stuff like he was a mere journeyman Pro blah blah blah) and yet look how that turned out!!

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Post by Collapse2005 on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 4:15 pm

There are at least 5 courses in Rathfarnham, all almost beside each other. Not surprising therefore that there are good golfers in the area. Think Harrington's course was Stackstown.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 7:25 pm

raycastleunited wrote:Will Harrington be a good captain? Unconventional maybe. But is the back room now filled with so many VC's and advisors that one individual has little impact?

Will Stricker be a good captain?

He will be in full paddy mode for the next two years. It will be unbearable.
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Post by super_realist on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 7:44 pm

McLaren wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:Will Harrington be a good captain? Unconventional maybe. But is the back room now filled with so many VC's and advisors that one individual has little impact?

Will Stricker be a good captain?

He will be in full paddy mode for the next two years.  It will be unbearable.


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Post by pedro on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 7:51 pm

Wonder if he’ll play Seeeeeehgio

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Post by pedro on Tue 08 Jan 2019, 10:56 pm

Player reactions:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GolfChannel/status/1082708635472592898

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Post by Be_the_ball on Wed 09 Jan 2019, 10:16 pm

pedro wrote:Player reactions:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GolfChannel/status/1082708635472592898

Laugh Laugh Laugh

Whoever runs this account is classic...
https://twitter.com/Darth_Monty/status/1082760777575137286?s=19

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