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Post by gallery play on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 11:05 am

Okay, it's far stretched to claim there's a correlation between de Brexit and this Ryder cup failure but isn't it peculiar how bad the English have performed?


Friday morning foursomes:
- despite a great playing Stenson, Rose dragged the team down
- despite a great playing Pieters, Westwood dragged the team down
- Sullivan... what did he do? Can't remember a single shot of him. Was alongside the best player but couldn't deliver

Friday afternoon fourball:
- Willet tamely went down with Kaymers misery

Saterday morning foursomes:
- despite a great playing Stenson, Fitzpatrick dragged the team down
(well well well, Wood/Rose won, but against a beatable team)

Saterday afternoon fourball:
-Willet/Westwood screwed a very good chance
-Again Rose showed nothing, Stenson was alone in this match

English singles:
0 out of 6
again:
0 out of 6

So that's about 1(!) "English" point...

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Post by Davie on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 11:12 am

What the hell has Golf got to do with "brexit"?

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Post by gallery play on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 11:16 am

I dont know, perhaps teamspirit? Mind you: i said there's probably no correlation

What's your excuse for the English failing?

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Post by Davie on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 11:24 am

gallery play wrote:What's your excuse for the English failing?

The didn't play well enough. Rose was pretty tidy tee to green but couldn't hole a putt. Wood wasn't bad. Fitz and Sully weren't ready. Willett and Westwood were cr@p

Brexit is totally irrelevant - in case you hadn't noticed, GB+I are still geographically part of Europe

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Post by JAS on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 11:32 am

gallery play wrote:I dont know, perhaps teamspirit? Mind you: i said there's probably no correlation

What's your excuse for the English failing?

The team failing was that they never made enough putts and the Americans did. It really is as simple as that. What are you trying to suggest? That there was some kind of undercurrent of couldn't care less borne out of a political landscape where the country as a whole wanted out of an out of touch beauracracy? What piffle, coincidence that the English players collectively didn't fire enough to win an few points.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 11:37 am

I think he intended the correlation to be humourous lads rather than an actual serious study. Calm down.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 11:41 am

Humorous? Ah, OK. Thanks for letting me know. Missed that.
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Post by JAS on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 11:41 am

super_realist wrote:I think he intended the correlation to be humourous lads rather than an actual serious study. Calm down.

lol I bite every time :-p


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Post by golfermartin on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 12:06 pm

Don't know if anyone has noticed but Brexit hasn't happened yet!

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Post by gallery play on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 12:31 pm

super_realist wrote:I think he intended the correlation to be humourous lads rather than an actual serious study. Calm down.

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Post by raycastleunited on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 12:36 pm

Davie wrote:
Brexit is totally irrelevant - in case you hadn't noticed, GB+I are still geographically part of Europe

Not just geographically... we haven't left the EU yet! And "I" hasn't voted to leave the EU anyway!

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Post by raycastleunited on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 12:50 pm

JAS wrote:
The team failing was that they never made enough putts and the Americans did. It really is as simple as that.

Hmm... think it was a bit more than that. Poor chipping, wayward drives, approach shots into water... as well as missing clutch putts. Overall a number of European players couldn't respond when under intense pressure.

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a political landscape where the country as a whole wanted out of an out of touch beauracracy

Is that why the UK voted to leave? I thought it was because a strong campaign of xenophobic propaganda convinced a bunch of thickos that their lives would be better if they could control immigration. Doh

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Post by JAS on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 1:14 pm

Aye that too Ray, forgot that bit. :-p

Seriously do think it WAS all down to putting. that's certainly the way it came across on TV. Americans holing 20-30 footers was getting annoying, almost as annoying as Europeans missing 4-6 footers (or taking it to the extreme, LW's 2 footer). I thought they were pretty evenly matched tee to green.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 2:14 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
JAS wrote:
The team failing was that they never made enough putts and the Americans did. It really is as simple as that.

Hmm... think it was a bit more than that. Poor chipping, wayward drives, approach shots into water... as well as missing clutch putts. Overall a number of European players couldn't respond when under intense pressure.

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a political landscape where the country as a whole wanted out of an out of touch  beauracracy

Is that why the UK voted to leave? I thought it was because a strong campaign of xenophobic propaganda convinced a bunch of thickos that their lives would be better if they could control immigration. Doh
Although it could be argued that the EU is a failure. Since it's inception the increase in inequality across the region has been widespread. I think labelling people who want out is disingenuous and belittles peoples genuine concerns. I am of the opinion that it should not have been a decision made by thickos on both sides - of which there are plenty.
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Post by raycastleunited on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 2:29 pm

JAS wrote:Seriously do think it WAS all down to putting.  that's certainly the way it came across on TV. Americans holing 20-30 footers was getting annoying, almost as annoying as Europeans missing 4-6 footers (or taking it to the extreme, LW's 2 footer). I thought they were pretty evenly matched tee to green.

I know what you mean JAS, because ultimately the hole is decided by putting. But I think that masked the fact that the Europeans were missing fairways and greens and were having to make 4-6 footers for the half, whereas the Americans were hitting GIR and giving themselves 20-30 footers for the win (and then tap ins for the half). It's a big generalisation because clearly both teams had players who were wayward and others who were arrow straight.

Look at 17: Moore and Snedeker both rolled in birdies on Sunday which supports your view point. But you have to hit a good approach to set up a birdie putt... and their opponents Westwood and Sullivan failed to give themselves birdie putts to match them. And Rose described it as an easy 9 iron to a flag in the middle of the green...

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Post by McLaren on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 3:52 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Humorous? Ah, OK. Thanks for letting me know. Missed that.

You do seem to read everything written on here with your mr serious hat on and i in a very literal sense.



Ray

"I thought it was because a strong campaign of xenophobic propaganda convinced a bunch of thickos that their lives would be better if they could control immigration"

Nice summary.





I certainly feel like I live a sad little minded nation now so maybe some of the UK players were feeling the same way. It is very hard to feel any affinity to a nation that now openly hates those who popped out the womb in certain geographical locations.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 4:21 pm

McLaren wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Humorous? Ah, OK. Thanks for letting me know. Missed that.

You do seem to read everything written on here with your mr serious hat on and i in a very literal sense....
picard The point was Mac, that it isn't that humorous. Keep up.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 4:32 pm

McLaren wrote:...I certainly feel like I live a sad little minded nation now so maybe some of the UK players were feeling the same way.  It is very hard to feel any affinity to a nation that now openly hates those who popped out the womb in certain geographical locations.
Also, give the result was ~52:48, it's a little harsh stereotyping (how dare you?! Don't you know that SGWs don't stereotype?) the 48%, for a start, that way.
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Re: Ryder Cup vs Brexit

Post by Davie on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 8:13 pm

I'm still trying to work out which bit was humourous

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Post by McLaren on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 8:58 pm

Davie

The bit where you couldn't work out what was humourous.
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Post by Be_the_ball on Mon 03 Oct 2016, 10:57 pm

I mentioned Brexit yesterday but purely in jest as everything nowadays seems to get blamed on Brexit. Poor trolling this article. The Ryder cup is not The EU v's USA so clearly it has no bearing on it.

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Post by Shotrock on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 2:53 pm

Speaking of the Brexit impact ... with the pound taking a pounding this may be an ideal time to visit the UK. Who's going to put Trussman up?

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 3:04 pm

Shot, it's worse than that; he's already there!

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 3:12 pm

Better go to Wales, NI or Scotland, Sr, avoid all that English pomposity.

All I know is that my hard-earned UK pensions are now devalued by 15%, not what my retirement model suggested a couple of years ago. Ugh.

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Post by Shotrock on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 3:49 pm

As always, sign me up for England, Kwin.

But I have never been to Wales so that's high on my list of places to visit. Royal St. Davids?

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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 3:58 pm

Porthcawl, Pyle and Kenfig, and Southerndown all got rave reviews from friends that toured South Wales recently.
Sure JAS and Yads might know others . . . . .

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Post by pedro on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 8:21 pm

McLaren wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Humorous? Ah, OK. Thanks for letting me know. Missed that.

You do seem to read everything written on here with your mr serious hat on and i in a very literal sense.



Ray

"I thought it was because a strong campaign of xenophobic propaganda convinced a bunch of thickos that their lives would be better if they could control immigration"

Nice summary.





I certainly feel like I live a sad little minded nation now so maybe some of the UK players were feeling the same way.  It is very hard to feel any affinity to a nation that now openly hates those who popped out the womb in certain geographical locations.
And do you think the Churchill WWII quotes Darren Clarke had put up in the team room inspired Kaymer? Doh

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Post by raycastleunited on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 9:40 pm

Shotrock wrote:As always, sign me up for England, Kwin.

But I have never been to Wales so that's high on my list of places to visit. Royal St. Davids?

The best advice about golf in Wales came from an Englishman, Nick Faldo, at the close of the 2008 Ryder Cup: don't forget your waterproofs. Of course the Americans didn't forget their waterproofs, they just forgot to check if they were actually water resistant.

The 2010 course is worth playing if you like stadium courses with lots of water. It has some interesting risk / reward choices. But my favourite course in Wales is Pennard - old school links and great fun.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 7:46 am

I loved Celtic Manor, brilliant course.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 7:46 am

pedro wrote:
McLaren wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Humorous? Ah, OK. Thanks for letting me know. Missed that.

You do seem to read everything written on here with your mr serious hat on and i in a very literal sense.



Ray

"I thought it was because a strong campaign of xenophobic propaganda convinced a bunch of thickos that their lives would be better if they could control immigration"

Nice summary.





I certainly feel like I live a sad little minded nation now so maybe some of the UK players were feeling the same way.  It is very hard to feel any affinity to a nation that now openly hates those who popped out the womb in certain geographical locations.
And do you think the Churchill WWII quotes Darren Clarke had put up in the team room inspired Kaymer? Doh

Why wouldn't it? Being German doesn't make you a Nazi.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 8:35 am

pedro wrote:And do you think the Churchill WWII quotes Darren Clarke had put up in the team room inspired Kaymer? Doh
They might have done. Plenty of British Generals and politicians admired Rommel Doh.
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Post by JAS on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 9:25 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Porthcawl, Pyle and Kenfig, and Southerndown all got rave reviews from friends that toured South Wales recently.
Sure JAS and Yads might know others . . . . .

Royal Porthcawl is different class but not cheap, haven't played P&K or Southerndown. Some of he others I have played down there are
Pennard, superb value, superb views and very welcoming.
Machynys modern Nicklaus design whilst it's by the sea its not traditional links but usually very well conditioned, excellent facilities. Ashburnham, a bit more rustic and more linksy, old style out and back layout.

Others I haven't played but are on the todo list
Royal St Davids
Tenby

Moving back east toward the bridge and ones I have played, yes there's the Celtic Manor. It does take flak from some quarters but its a great set up, Obviously the 2010 is the one everyone wants to play but the other 2 (Roman Road and Montgomerie) are well worth a look.
Before the Celtic Manor came along the premier Course in that area was St Pierre (former host of the Benson and Hedges), its decent enough too.
A hidden gem in that part of the world is the Rolls of Monmouth (set in gorgeous remote country estate around an old mansion and as the name gives a clue formerly owned by Henry Rolls of Rolls Royce fame)

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Post by pedro on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 11:40 am

super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:
McLaren wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Humorous? Ah, OK. Thanks for letting me know. Missed that.

You do seem to read everything written on here with your mr serious hat on and i in a very literal sense.



Ray

"I thought it was because a strong campaign of xenophobic propaganda convinced a bunch of thickos that their lives would be better if they could control immigration"

Nice summary.





I certainly feel like I live a sad little minded nation now so maybe some of the UK players were feeling the same way.  It is very hard to feel any affinity to a nation that now openly hates those who popped out the womb in certain geographical locations.
And do you think the Churchill WWII quotes Darren Clarke had put up in the team room inspired Kaymer? Doh
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Why wouldn't it? Being German doesn't make you a Nazi.
Well, like most Germans, his grand parents were most likely afflicted, directly or indirectly, none of which must have been pleasant. Basil Fawlty anyone?

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Post by JAS on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 12:17 pm

pedro wrote:
super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:
McLaren wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Humorous? Ah, OK. Thanks for letting me know. Missed that.

You do seem to read everything written on here with your mr serious hat on and i in a very literal sense.



Ray

"I thought it was because a strong campaign of xenophobic propaganda convinced a bunch of thickos that their lives would be better if they could control immigration"

Nice summary.





I certainly feel like I live a sad little minded nation now so maybe some of the UK players were feeling the same way.  It is very hard to feel any affinity to a nation that now openly hates those who popped out the womb in certain geographical locations.
And do you think the Churchill WWII quotes Darren Clarke had put up in the team room inspired Kaymer? Doh
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Why wouldn't it? Being German doesn't make you a Nazi.
Well, like most Germans, his grand parents were most likely afflicted, directly or indirectly, none of which must have been pleasant. Basil Fawlty anyone?

"Never give in, never never never" can somebody explain to me how that is going to upset Kaymer or indeed inspire him any less than the others in the team. Churchill was a leader, he inspired fight when he had to, Clarke was trying to tap into that. Christ Jocks go to the Olympics, win gold medals and still sing God Save the Queen even though one of the later verses talks about "Rebellious Scots to crush".
If you hang on to history (and how it's hurt your ancestors) too tightly you can get stuck in it. A certain part of these Isles (which I daren't mention incase the thread takes a nosedive) took a long time to learn that one, indeed small isolated pockets still haven't.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 12:32 pm

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Post by pedro on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 12:33 pm

I don't know if it upset him, maybe not, but with Churchills name under those quote chances increased nevertheless. And btw, Adolf said the exact same thing, something that cost millions of additional lives even after the war was effectively lost. Don't mention the war for gods sake. This is not GB&I anymore.

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Post by raycastleunited on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 1:41 pm

I don't see how a poster of Churchill could be inspirational to any of this year's RC team, regardless of nationality. If you're aged 50+, you would have grown up with parents / grand parents talking about the war so it is more relatable. Any younger and the impact is diminished.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 1:44 pm

Ray

They should of had a poster of Justin Bieber up. Much more relatable to the younger generation.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 1:47 pm

raycastleunited wrote:I don't see how a poster of Churchill could be inspirational to any of this year's RC team, regardless of nationality. If you're aged 50+, you would have grown up with parents / grand parents talking about the war so it is more relatable. Any younger and the impact is diminished.
Seriously? Christ, history teaching has really gone down hill hasn't it?

It's a quotation from someone renowned as never giving in. Simple as that. Kaymer is, I'm sure, bigger than a simpleton and would take that in exactly the way it was meant.
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Post by raycastleunited on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 1:55 pm

Navy, just because someone studied WW2 in history at school, doesn't mean they would find a poster of a British politician inspirational. Churchill may be renknowned to your generation in England as someone who never gave in, doubt he has that reputation to younger generations, even more so Belgian, Spanish or German.

And yes history teaching has really gone down hill.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 2:29 pm

Ahh the ramblings of an old urine head... very inspirational.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 4:09 pm

Tend to agree with ray on this one. Having been educated in France Churchill gets very little mention in History classes, and can't imagine it would be much different in Germany (or Spain or Belgium). I doubt they would be aware of much beyond the fact that he led the UK in WWII.

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Post by raycastleunited on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 4:50 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Tend to agree with ray on this one. Having been educated in France Churchill gets very little mention in History classes, and can't imagine it would be much different in Germany (or Spain or Belgium). I doubt they would be aware of much beyond the fact that he led the UK in WWII.

Exactement.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 4:56 pm

Cheers for the perceptive remark Monty. You pick up on the fact he drank but overlook everything else? picard

Ray. Churchill was dead before I was born. My generation? What's that? I have to be of the WWII generation to know anything about him?

I can see that maybe for the mainland Euros, Churchill doesn't evoke as much. Anyway, who cares? If anyone seriously thinks a Churchill quote contributed to the recent loss, they need to think again.

If not a Churchill quote, whom should Clarke have used?

Mad for Chelsea wrote:...I doubt they would be aware of much beyond the fact that he led the UK in WWII.
Exactly the point maybe?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 5:16 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Tend to agree with ray on this one. Having been educated in France Churchill gets very little mention in History classes, and can't imagine it would be much different in Germany (or Spain or Belgium). I doubt they would be aware of much beyond the fact that he led the UK in WWII.

I'm sure like their Six speed reverse Tanks and white on white background flag, the French effort in the war gets washed over in their history.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 9:38 pm

Super

Did you not play Medal of honor as a lad? If you had you would know the great feats of the French resistance fighters.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 9:40 pm

super,
Where are you going to be? Has your brother tweeted anything about American behaviour to pave the way for your arrival?

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Post by super_realist on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 10:27 pm

kwini, I'll be in Houston. Thinking about trying to get a game somewhere, but it means hiring clubs etc. Might be too much of a ballache and a ridiculous expense. Be nice to play in 30 degrees though instead of half of that.


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Post by MontysMerkin on Thu 06 Oct 2016, 8:08 am

navyblueshorts wrote:Cheers for the perceptive remark Monty. You pick up on the fact he drank but overlook everything else? picard

Ray. Churchill was dead before I was born. My generation? What's that? I have to be of the WWII generation to know anything about him?

I can see that maybe for the mainland Euros, Churchill doesn't evoke as much. Anyway, who cares? If anyone seriously thinks a Churchill quote contributed to the recent loss, they need to think again.

If not a Churchill quote, whom should Clarke have used?

Mad for Chelsea wrote:...I doubt they would be aware of much beyond the fact that he led the UK in WWII.
Exactly the point maybe?
Yep an enlightened chap: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes," he continued.

"It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir… striding half-naked up the steps of the Vice-regal Palace,"
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Re: Ryder Cup vs Brexit

Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 06 Oct 2016, 8:24 am

super_realist wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:Tend to agree with ray on this one. Having been educated in France Churchill gets very little mention in History classes, and can't imagine it would be much different in Germany (or Spain or Belgium). I doubt they would be aware of much beyond the fact that he led the UK in WWII.

I'm sure like their Six speed reverse Tanks and white on white background flag, the French effort in the war gets washed over in their history.
Not sure which way you mean this, but I think it's re. French 'cowardice'. You really should look up the record of French armies. You should also have a little think about what they'd gone through from 1870-1945.
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