Historic Results post 2003 - SRU Teams v PRW

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Post by PhilBB on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 8:48 am

http://www.cardiffrfcfans.co.uk/analysis/welsh_vs_scottish_victories.php

This may be interesting to see the graphical head to head, although a little imbalanced because of the imbalance in teams. You can see the Scottish results improve as the SRU increased its spending, whilst at the same time the WRU comparatively reduced its.
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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 9:07 am

If only that extended to Internationals!!!

Where do you get the increase/decrease in spending from? Any figures?

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Post by PhilBB on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 10:53 am

The SRU Annual Report.
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Post by TJ on Thu 06 Oct 2016, 8:21 pm

Which as you have been shown many times shows that the Scots teams went from the paupers of the league to spending around the average and a similar amount to the welsh teams.

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Post by Irish Londoner on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 8:47 am

PhilBB wrote:You can see the Scottish results improve as the SRU increased its spending, whilst at the same time the WRU comparatively reduced its.

Proving that the Union owned, controlled and funded model is the superior method yet again then Phil.

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Post by TJ on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 10:27 am

Edinburgh are hardly a shining light but Glasgow have done well under this model with similar funding to the welsh teams

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Post by carpet baboon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 11:49 am

What's been the main difference between Glasgow and Edinburgh if they are being funded the same? (Don't know if there funding is the same)

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Post by TJ on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 11:55 am

Funding - again its similar perhaps not identical. Main difference is recruitment and coaching - ie Glasgow recruit good players cheap. Edinburgh crap players for lots of money

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Post by carpet baboon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:03 pm

So it's the old adage it's what you do with it that counts. Thought it would be

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:39 pm

Glasgow also have a much better core of Scottish players, particularly in the backs.  That is down to coaching but also because those players were assigned to Glasgow as youngsters and a good number of them came through to be top players (Hogg, Bennett, Russell, Gray, Horne, Dunbar etc)

So since Edinburgh have been lacking good home grown backs we have had to sign foreign players in, and for the most part they have been pretty poor signings.

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Post by carpet baboon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:41 pm

How does age grade rugby feed into the two teams? I take it they both have defined areas of responsibility

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:49 pm

Previously it was a bit of a shambles and fairly ad-hoc, but we now have 4 academies (Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Galashiels). Given that we only have 2 pro teams the players will be assigned to one of them and technically they should graduate into the pro ranks.

It is quite flexible though - if one of the pro teams has a specific need then a youngster assigned to one team can be moved to another.

These new academies are in their very early days but in 4 to 5 years team we really should be seeing a lot of good players coming through, and I'm sure we'll be in need for another pro team.

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Post by carpet baboon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:57 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Previously it was a bit of a shambles and fairly ad-hoc, but we now have 4 academies (Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Galashiels).  Given that we only have 2 pro teams the players will be assigned to one of them and technically they should graduate into the pro ranks.

It is quite flexible though - if one of the pro teams has a specific need then a youngster assigned to one team can be moved to another.

These new academies are in their very early days but in 4 to 5 years team we really should be seeing a lot of good players coming through, and I'm sure we'll be in need for another pro team.

All good news. And it's good to see they cooperate with regards who needs what.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 1:00 pm

It has happened with senior players too, albeit generally on younger ones - there is a running joke that players that leave Edinburgh for Glasgow suddenly become really good players, even though they were crap for Edinburgh!

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Post by carpet baboon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 1:04 pm

How do you think the selling off bits/all of the clubs will go?

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Post by True Raven on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 1:19 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Previously it was a bit of a shambles and fairly ad-hoc, but we now have 4 academies (Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Galashiels).  Given that we only have 2 pro teams the players will be assigned to one of them and technically they should graduate into the pro ranks.

It is quite flexible though - if one of the pro teams has a specific need then a youngster assigned to one team can be moved to another.

These new academies are in their very early days but in 4 to 5 years team we really should be seeing a lot of good players coming through, and I'm sure we'll be in need for another pro team.

Now that the SRU have funded the academies hopefully they can start to invest in refereess so we can have all accusations of bias removed from this forum

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 1:25 pm

carpet baboon wrote:How do you think the selling off bits/all of the clubs will go?

I still don't really know who would actually want to invest, but there is a thought that the SRU announced this because they had people already lined up. We'll see.

Like anything the devil is in the detail and although more money is a good thing it has to come with some kind of downside. The Welsh regions are a prime example of the difficulties faced with this kind of arrangement!

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 3:07 pm

PRW are a fine example of how to get it right IF IF IF the Union gets it right.

If you look at the WRU Annual Report and listen to the words of Phillips and Davies, PRW benefactors kept the pro game alive in Wales at a time when Lewis strapped the Union to the Bank leading to Barclays 'effectively owning the WRU'.
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