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Post by maestegmafia on Thu 06 Oct 2016, 1:49 pm

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Previous meetings: Played 26, Ospreys won 18, Blues won seven with one draw.

Ospreys have won their last 10 Pro12 fixtures against Blues since a 21-21 draw at Liberty Stadium in April 2011.

Ospreys: Dan Evans; Jeff Hassler, Ben John, Josh Matavesi, Eli Walker; Sam Davies, Rhys Webb; Nicky Smith, Sam Parry, Dmitri Arhip, Bradley Davies, Alun Wyn Jones (Capt), James King, Justin Tipuric, Dan Baker.

Replacements: Scott Baldwin, Paul James, Ma'afu Fia, Rory Thornton, Dan Lydiate, Tom Habberfield, Dan Biggar, Ashley Beck

Cardiff Blues: Dan Fish; Blaine Scully, Garyn Smith, Rey Lee-Lo, Tom James; Gareth Anscombe, Lloyd Williams; Gethin Jenkins (capt), Kristian Dacey, Taufa'ao Filise, Macauley Cook, Josh Turnbull, Josh Navidi, Ellis Jenkins, Nick Williams

Replacements: Matthew Rees, Rhys Gill, Scott Andrews, James Down, Cam Dolan, Tomos Williams, Steven Shingler, Matthew Morgan

Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU)

Assistant Referees: Sean Brickell, Gareth Newman (WRU)

Citing Commissioner: Aurwell Morgan (WRU)

TMO: Tim Hayes (WRU)

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by wayne on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 12:50 pm

What a happy bunny I've been since about ten to eight last night, a thoroughly emphatic victory with a truly excellent TEAM performance, any one of about 6 different players could have laid claim to being MOTM, personally I would have given it to Josh, but Kingy, Tips, AWJ, Smithy, Daimitri, Sam or Dan Evans could have had the award, for me the only player in the Blues team to have a decent game was Lloyd Williams his service to Anscombe was exemplary and his box kicks were better for distance and contestability (is that a word?) was better than Rhys Webb's. I was ridiculed on here a few weeks ago by a couple for saying that basically our reserve back row totally dominated theirs on Judgement Day, and that it was only one match, what I could have said is that we have won the backrow battle against them for years and years ( but I don't have to be an Internet winner) and just to add has there ever been a more emphatic winner in that department than what was witnessed last night? if there was lately I haven't seen it. The battle for places in our team is hotting up in numerous positions which can only be good for our future.
Perhaps the only downside to last night because of the comprehensive victory is that our numbers selected for TW for the AIs has increased, I think it will be into the double figures and that will make it harder over that period.
Finally I'm still waiting for the supposed fleet footed Blues inside backs to run roughshod through our very slow players in the same position as some idiot prophesied yesterday, shows what he knows eh.

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Post by wayne on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 1:11 pm

True Raven wrote:Sorry MaestagMafia but I cannot agree that Biggar doesn't get a back line moving.  I've seen him do it many times for the O's down the years.

The issue lies with a crap gameplan that Gatland and Howley implement for Wales that has players running into contact with no offloading.  Once we change the style of play Biggar will cope just fine.  

And Ben John will never be anything more than a squad filler for he O's.  as soon as Fonotia arrives and Beck is at full fitness, Ben John becomes our fourth choice centre
TR I think that is a bit harsh about Ben John, is he an International in the waiting? NO I don't think so, but he definitely showed me last night and against Ulster last week, he's as good as anyone in either of those teams, rotation is an excellent strategy and he is important to us in that regard

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Post by exile jack on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 1:23 pm

miaow wrote:It is still Biggar, I agree, but only for now. Shouldn't rely on him until the next World Cup as automatic first choice, as I think Gatland has done time and again with some players, and new players often seem to stumble into the team by accident (perhaps one of his biggest flaws). The succession path has been really poor by Wales: they can't replicate NZ and play around with a few midfield options every few games, because they're not good enough to win, they don't have the talent pool. But the way they do blood youngsters, not throwing them in too deep before getting rid of them for ever, but slowly feeding them in, that's what Wales need to do. It's still sink or swim, if they're not good enough they aren't good enough: but there's a difference between throwing in a 19 year old because of an injury and then discarding him once he doesn't fit straight in, or has a nervy performance, and there's letting them get to the deep end by swimming through the shallow section first.

Ironically, the way in which Biggar understudied Stephen Jones for years (deservedly or not, as Gatland received a lot of criticism for Biggar being a seeming nailed on favourite over the likes of Hook and a few others 10s who were in better form) before being ignored for three years is the best way to do it (without the 3 year absence). Give them a shot starting in the smaller games (without the wholesale pack changes), keep them around the squad environment for a few series, from a young age so they become accustomed to it, and then drip feed them off the bench in the not-too-high-profile-bigger-games (Scotland, or at least historically, Italy, Argentina...again perhaps historically: at the very least not England, France, SANZAR etc). After that, he should be well placed to go toe to toe with Biggar. I see more to Davies' game than I ever have in Biggar, as good and effective as he is at the more pragmatic elements of playing 10 (kicking for territory, goal, not shirking the tackle, safe distribution, even the high contests are, for want of a better word, elbow grease as opposed to the speed of thought of an exciting footballing 10).

This won't please the Biggarmaniacs but it's clear that against the better teams and as an international 10 he's too slow and too predictable.That's not based on a 20 minute cameo with mass substitutions last night but his performances over the past two seasons.His problem is that he doesn't have access to coaches at the Liberty and WRU who can help him remodel his game like Stephen Jones and Jonny Wilkinson both did in their careers.If Sam D carries on with his form he's shown this season the O's might find keeping him more of a problem than Biggar.As for Anscombe,why we think he's an international 10 is a mystery for me but as we now know the Welsh selectors have a unique and consistent ability to pick on reputation rather than form.

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by True Raven on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 2:23 pm

wayne wrote:
True Raven wrote:Sorry MaestagMafia but I cannot agree that Biggar doesn't get a back line moving.  I've seen him do it many times for the O's down the years.

The issue lies with a crap gameplan that Gatland and Howley implement for Wales that has players running into contact with no offloading.  Once we change the style of play Biggar will cope just fine.  

And Ben John will never be anything more than a squad filler for he O's.  as soon as Fonotia arrives and Beck is at full fitness, Ben John becomes our fourth choice centre
TR I think that is a bit harsh about Ben John, is he an International in the waiting? NO I don't think so, but he definitely showed me last night and against Ulster last week, he's as good as anyone in either of those teams, rotation is an excellent strategy and he is important to us in that regard

It is harsh I guess but I don't see why people rate him as an international (even Simon Thomas has written about it today). Thing with Ben John is later this year I think he'll struggle for game time when Owen Watkin comes back from injury (who I think has a higher ceiling) and I like 18 year old Kieron Williams coming through.

He can be good wing cover but lacks top speed for the international game. Talking of wings it is good to see Eli play well and a damn shame about Jeff

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by maestegmafia on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 3:42 pm

Watching Leinster vs Langers and neither are as impressive as Ospreys looked last two games.

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Post by Stone Motif on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 7:07 pm

maestegmafia wrote:Watching Leinster vs Langers and neither are as impressive as Ospreys looked last two games.

Laugh "I don't think we over-rate players in Wales". That'd be the same Leinster that just annihilated you, yes?

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by maestegmafia on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 7:46 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Watching Leinster vs Langers and neither are as impressive as Ospreys looked last two games.

Laugh "I don't think we over-rate players in Wales".  That'd be the same Leinster that just annihilated you, yes?

Since when was an eleven point loss away from home at the RDS an annihilation?

Looking forward to reading your superlatives to describe the Dragons vs Scarlets result.

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by Cardiff Dave on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 8:08 pm

Thoroughly battered after Fish got fingered.
Cardiff couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen it seemed.

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by maestegmafia on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 8:48 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:Thoroughly battered after Fish got fingered.
Cardiff couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen it seemed.

Cardiff didn't alter their defence to deal with the Ospreys offloading game.

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by wayne on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 9:58 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:Thoroughly battered after Fish got fingered.
Cardiff couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen it seemed.
Yeh Dan was done over like a kipper.

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 10:13 pm

wayne wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Thoroughly battered after Fish got fingered.
Cardiff couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen it seemed.
Yeh Dan was done over like a kipper.

Stop it now or rather, "Fin".

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Post by Griff on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 10:24 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
wayne wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Thoroughly battered after Fish got fingered.
Cardiff couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen it seemed.
Yeh Dan was done over like a kipper.

Stop it now or rather, "Fin".

You're both carping on now. There's no plaice for it. If you disagree then let minnow.

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 10:27 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Thoroughly battered after Fish got fingered.
Cardiff couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen it seemed.

Cardiff didn't alter their defence to deal with the Ospreys offloading game.

Danny Wilson would've had a bird's eye view of Cardiff at tackle time. Needs to trawl through the footage of the game and put it right asap.

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Post by Stone Motif on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 11:22 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Watching Leinster vs Langers and neither are as impressive as Ospreys looked last two games.

Laugh "I don't think we over-rate players in Wales".  That'd be the same Leinster that just annihilated you, yes?

Since when was an eleven point loss away from home at the RDS an annihilation?

Looking forward to reading your superlatives to describe the Dragons vs Scarlets result.

Since you were 31-0 down before half time. You were done.

If you can find one superlative I've used regarding the Dragons in my posting history I will join your 'Ben John for Wales' campaign. I'm a realist thanks.

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Post by Breadvan on Sun 09 Oct 2016, 8:00 pm

Competitive game until Fish was binned, Blues were dismal after that. Opsreys scoring seconds into the second half and Dai Anscombe kicking the ball straight out summed there night up tbh. Take nothing away from us tho. Really impressive and ruthless display by the whole side.
Parry and John are playing well at the mo but Wales caps? Nah...

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Post by munkian on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 8:43 am

No remark from PhillBB ?


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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by LordDowlais on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 9:38 am

Stone Motif wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Watching Leinster vs Langers and neither are as impressive as Ospreys looked last two games.

Laugh "I don't think we over-rate players in Wales".  That'd be the same Leinster that just annihilated you, yes?

Since when was an eleven point loss away from home at the RDS an annihilation?

Looking forward to reading your superlatives to describe the Dragons vs Scarlets result.

Since you were 31-0 down before half time. You were done.

If you can find one superlative I've used regarding the Dragons in my posting history I will join your 'Ben John for Wales' campaign. I'm a realist thanks.

Says the man who said this:-

stone motif wrote:Eh? That Swansea midfield will be carved up like a roast dinner if Lee-Lo and Anscombe hit their straps. Shockingly one paced. As for a strong bench it'd have to be with pile of useless excrement of the scale of Baldwin sat on it. Lydiate wouldn't get in that Blues side.

How is that summary looking now ? And you tell me I talk crap on here. Rolling Eyes

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by maestegmafia on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 9:47 am

Cardiff Dave wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Thoroughly battered after Fish got fingered.
Cardiff couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen it seemed.

Cardiff didn't alter their defence to deal with the Ospreys offloading game.

Danny Wilson would've had a bird's eye view of Cardiff at tackle time. Needs to trawl through the footage of the game and put it right asap.

I agree

From a bad loss you can learn from your mistakes and dramatically improve. The blues didn't become a bad team over the 80 minutes played on Friday night.

Wilson is a smart coach and I am sure he will put things right this week.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 10:49 am

Blues should also start with some locks, rather than two flankers at second row. Saying that it must be a concern for Ospreys that Blues maul was pretty dominant with said extra flankers.

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 11:11 am

maestegmafia wrote:Wilson is a smart coach and I am sure he will put things right this week.

Yes. Cardiff will easily finish in the top 6 this season, at the the expense of either Connacht or Munster.

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Post by maestegmafia on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 12:02 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Wilson is a smart coach and I am sure he will put things right this week.

Yes. Cardiff will easily finish in the top 6 this season, at the the expense of either Connacht or Munster.

It's gonna be close this season.

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Post by PhilBB on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 7:50 pm

munkian wrote:No remark from PhillBB ?


A typical trip to Swansea. It's been the same for decades. A collective cop out.

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Post by PhilBB on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 7:51 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Blues should also start with some locks, rather than two flankers at second row. Saying that it must be a concern for Ospreys that Blues maul was pretty dominant with said extra flankers.

The best locks - Hoeata and Earle - were not fit enough for the game.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 10:33 pm

PhilBB wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Blues should also start with some locks, rather than two flankers at second row. Saying that it must be a concern for Ospreys that Blues maul was pretty dominant with said extra flankers.

The best locks - Hoeata and Earle - were not fit enough for the game.

Yeah - and with Andrews on the bench I think Blues have been punching. You've still got those guys to come back in and according to a fan on here before you were looking to sign another TH asap. I think your team are one of a few that will get better as the season goes on.

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Post by PhilBB on Tue 11 Oct 2016, 8:20 am

They can't sign new until Hoeata and Ma'afu are sorted. It looks like Hoeata is going to play down his contract at second team level, unfortunately.

The one plus of this performance is that Howley might pick very few Cardiff players for his Team Wales Crossfit Camp.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 11 Oct 2016, 12:14 pm

PhilBB wrote:They can't sign new until Hoeata and Ma'afu are sorted. It looks like Hoeata is going to play down his contract at second team level, unfortunately.

The one plus of this performance is that Howley might pick very few Cardiff players for his Team Wales Crossfit Camp.

Overseas player restrictions? What's the deal with Hoeata? He come over as a seasoned All Black and S15 player and didn't really cement his place - though he wasn't helped by injury and suspension. Ma'afu should have his contract ripped up now - supposedly he's not even fit enough for pub team rugby.

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Re: Ospreys vs Blues - pro 12

Post by PhilBB on Tue 11 Oct 2016, 12:38 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
PhilBB wrote:They can't sign new until Hoeata and Ma'afu are sorted. It looks like Hoeata is going to play down his contract at second team level, unfortunately.

The one plus of this performance is that Howley might pick very few Cardiff players for his Team Wales Crossfit Camp.

Overseas player restrictions? What's the deal with Hoeata? He come over as a seasoned All Black and S15 player and didn't really cement his place - though he wasn't helped by injury and suspension. Ma'afu should have his contract ripped up now - supposedly he's not even fit enough for pub team rugby.

Hoeata did cement his place but he, allegedly, has a serious back complaint that may prevent him from seeing much first team action this season.

Ma'afu. Well, yes. There's a man who hasn't quite lived up to the hope.

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