Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 11:30 am

Just for fun, and out of interest in order to see who rates who as the best.

Pro12 XV
15. Piatau
14. L.Williams
13. Bennett
12. McCloskey
11. Seymour
10. Sexton
9. Webb

8. N.Williams
7. Van Der Flier
6. Navidi
5. Super AWJ (c)
4. O'Connor
3. Ryan
2. Parry
1. Reid

3 Ulster, 3 Glasgow, 3 Ospreys, 2 Leinster, 2 Cardiff, 1 Munster, 1 Scarlets. It was difficult to leave out a few of the Ulster players.
Now I need help with the Prem team.

Premiership XV
15.
14.
13.
12.
11. North
10. Williams
9.

8. Vunipola
7.
6. Robshaw
5. Kruis
4. Itoje
3. Du Plessis
2.
1. Mullan

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by TJ on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 11:57 am

well Nell/ Dickinson should be the pro 12 props and Jonny Gray at 4 Pinneer should be in there somewhere as well

I would expect it to be a good close game with the pro 12 maybe just having the edge

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by Pete330v2 on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:02 pm

Hey Mikey, swap Piutau and Williams.
Piutau looks so much better with a 14 or 11 on his back than a 15 and Liam Williams seems to be equally as effective along the back 3.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:07 pm

Form may be slightly easier to consider than who is the best. Either way Williams ain't at 10!

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:21 pm

From form so far this season, Prem I'd go:

1. Vunipola, probably just but not been amazing
2. Taylor but LCD pushing.
3.Brookes
4. Lawes
5. Itoje
6. Thompson
7. Burger
8. Vunipola
9.Robson
10. Cipriani, pushed Lozowski
11.Visser, probably.
12.Scott for me.
13.Daly
14.Rokoduguni
15. Goode

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:23 pm

Actually Gopperth at 12.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:24 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Form may be slightly easier to consider than who is the best. Either way Williams ain't at 10!

I've considered form, Cipriani and Lozowski did spring to mind. With regards to Williams I think Tigers fans would disagree with you!

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:28 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Just for fun, and out of interest in order to see who rates who as the best.

Pro12 XV
15. Piatau
14. L.Williams
13. Bennett
12. McCloskey
11. Seymour
10. Sexton
9. Webb

8. N.Williams
7. Van Der Flier
6. Navidi
5. Super AWJ (c)
4. O'Connor
3. Ryan
2. Parry
1. Reid

3 Ulster, 3 Glasgow, 3 Ospreys, 2 Leinster, 2 Cardiff, 1 Munster, 1 Scarlets. It was difficult to leave out a few of the Ulster players.
Now I need help with the Prem team.

Interesting that there is not 1 player from the Champions.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:31 pm

Form is an interesting thing eh.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:34 pm

We'll see if any Leicester fans pop on.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:38 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:We'll see if any Leicester fans pop on.

I'm not sure about Cippers, probably looks better than he is in a excellent-performing Wasps team. I only watch prem highlights and Lozowski is certainly a consistent performer - it's just Tigers fans speak so highly of Williams every week. I also note that you've included Visser over North laughing - you really don't want to see a Welsh player in that team do you, why so bothered? Go on, put Roberts in at 12.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by GeordieFalcon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:55 pm

Olmstead has been one of the players of the season so far...either 6 or lock!

And Mark Wilson is Mr Consistency!

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by LondonTiger on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 12:59 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Form may be slightly easier to consider than who is the best. Either way Williams ain't at 10!

Williams is a 6, even if Eddie thinks he can be a 7.



Oh we mean Owen, well he is a 10 but not really in consideration for a Pemiership XV

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 1:00 pm

I went for form. Visser has been good in a poorly performing team. If we were to go for best North is in. I was doing form, hence Gopprth as well.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by BamBam on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 1:06 pm

I'd go for Ford at 10, he's been terrific, would also have Symons of Wasps at lock with Itoje

Other than that, 7.5's team looks about right on form

Obvious contenders missing because they haven't played yet include Louw, Koch, Farrell, Tuilagi etc

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by Fluxy on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 1:12 pm

Laidlaw in with a shout at 9, despite being in a losing side I would say.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 1:37 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:...you really don't want to see a Welsh player in that team do you...
I'd say the top Welsh candidates for a Premiership XV are North and Moriarty. I don't think Williams would be near contention at 10. That's no disrespect because there are a lot of decent players around. Cipriani and Ford have been the stand-outs but Lozowski and Steenson have all had good moments, while Gopperth is a fly half playing at 12.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 07 Oct 2016, 9:47 pm

Woodburn a good candidate for one wing for the prem team?

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by doctor_grey on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 8:22 am

Pick Your coaches.  
Pat Lam (former Saint) has to be at/near the top of the list.
Dai Young has got to be thereabouts, too.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by Cyril on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 8:59 am

TJ wrote:

I would expect it to be a good close game with the pro 12 maybe just having the edge
Why would you say that? Have the Pro12 sides (and their players) improved significantly from last season? I guess we'll see more from the upcoming Champions Cup games.

Williams at 10? He's a decent (if fairly limited) player but I wouldn't say he's in the top 5 Premiership fly halves.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 9:15 am

Cyril wrote:

Williams at 10? He's a decent (if fairly limited) player but I wouldn't say he's in the top 5 Premiership fly halves.

You guys really don't want to see Welsh players in this team laughing.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 9:18 am

With a mix of form and class I think this is the current Prem XV:
15. Hook
14: Wade
13: Daly
12: Roberts
11: North
10: Williams
9: Phillips

8: Vunipola
7: Hamilton
6: Moriarty
5: Charteris
4: Itoje
3: Jones
2: Hibbard
1: Evans

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 9:46 am

doctor_grey wrote:Pick Your coaches.  
Pat Lam (former Saint) has to be at/near the top of the list.
Dai Young has got to be thereabouts, too.  

Can Dai Young, former Cardiff coach, coach the Pro12 XV.. ? There's better coaches available in the premiership right now IMO. Baxter, Young, McCall probably the standouts. For the Pro12 perhaps Les Kiss, Gregor Townsend or Danny Wilson would be the best bet. Next year we'll have Dave Rennie Smile.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by Cyril on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 9:49 am

mikey_dragon wrote:With a mix of form and class I think this is the current Prem XV:
15. Hook
14: Wade
13: Daly
12: Roberts
11: North
10: Williams
9: Phillips

8: Vunipola
7: Hamilton
6: Moriarty
5: Charteris
4: Itoje
3: Jones
2: Hibbard
1: Evans
Laugh

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by BamBam on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 9:57 am

Mikey, I think you forgot Aled Brew mate

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 10:01 am

BamBam wrote:Mikey, I think you forgot Aled Brew mate

I actually did, in he goes over Wade.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by lostinwales on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 11:58 am

mikey_dragon wrote:With a mix of form and class I think this is the current Prem XV:
15. Hook
14: Wade
13: Daly
12: Roberts
11: North
10: Williams
9: Phillips

8: Vunipola
7: Hamilton
6: Moriarty
5: Charteris
4: Itoje
3: Jones
2: Hibbard
1: Evans

I guess you have to give the Pro 12 team a chance...

great thread mikey

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by thebandwagonsociety on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 1:23 pm

A decent number of English players in that PRL starting XV. Good work.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 3:34 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:With a mix of form and class I think this is the current Prem XV:
15. Hook
14: Wade
13: Daly
12: Roberts
11: North
10: Williams
9: Phillips

8: Vunipola
7: Hamilton
6: Moriarty
5: Charteris
4: Itoje
3: Jones
2: Hibbard
1: Evans

Forget the Premiership, I think you've just named the starting XV for the first Lions Test.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 08 Oct 2016, 4:54 pm

Very Happy

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 09 Oct 2016, 9:49 am

Something I forgot to add, McIntyre of Wasps for LH in the prem XV? He's previously made ESPN's Lions team more than once as well.

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Re: Pro12 VX vs Premiership XV

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 09 Oct 2016, 10:03 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Form may be slightly easier to consider than who is the best. Either way Williams ain't at 10!

I've considered form, Cipriani and Lozowski did spring to mind. With regards to Williams I think Tigers fans would disagree with you!

We're big fans of Williams because he makes our error ridden team look capable of winning games. Very good controlling ten. George Ford is the pick of the tens for me though. Possibly the most well rounded ten in the league and only real weakness is kicking off the tee which isn't necessarily a requirement for the ten.

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