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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 19 Oct 2016, 4:00 pm

First topic message reminder :

1).Last year's brand new PGA Tour season opened with a succession of rookie/first-time winners: Grillo, Kaufman, Thomas, Knox, Malnati until greybeard McDowell won one for the veterans.
Last week, in Napa's Safeway Open, it was mostly a battle of seasoned Pros, the lyrically named Cody Gribble the only newcomer to crack the leading dozen. And Brendan Steele relaxed on the practice range following a final round of 65 while his pursuers all fell short.
Steele is one of those golfers who can be relied upon to play well at certain courses, but struggle at most others. Sure enough, he was the 54-hole leader here last year only to stumble badly on Sunday, but made up for that this year, and earned his first win with a "conventional" putting style.

2).Paul Casey started off the new season just as he finished last season, with a Top 4 finish, T3 and $288K in his pocket. He's now registered 2nd, 2nd, 4th, T3 in his last four starts, banking $2.5M in the process, all without really looking like the winner.
But he's now earned $7.6M in two years and is rocketing up the career winnings charts, 72nd now and only $3M+ away from the all-important Top 50 which will afford Paul the safety net which was absent when he lost his card (except for Past Champions status) during injury-plagued years in the early 20teens. I wonder if that might influence him resuming his European Tour membership for 2018?

3).A Top Ten for Martin Laird as well, another one in form; and The Laird is making his customary strong start to the season. Missed cut for Seamus Power in his Tour debut.

4).Missed cut too for Gonzo, but here's a lovely piece from Doug Ferguson to compensate:
http://www.golfchannel.com/news/doug-ferguson/long-road-back-tour-fernandez-castano/?cid=Email_WednesdayNL_20161019

5).Last week's winners on the PGA Tour and Champions Tour are both Southern California boys with connections to Hollywood, Brendan Steele's uncle a soap opera actor (had also thought he was a Pinkerton rider leading a posse jumping from a train in Butch Cassidy, but can't find verification!) and Doug Garwood, the sun of a Gunsmoke undertaker.

That's the end of the Champions Tour regular season and next week will see the first of three "Play Off" events for the Charles Schwab Cup with the leading 72 money-winners (less an injured Corey Pavin) playing Sherwood Country Club's telegenic lay-out for the right to advance to Round 2 in Virginia. Strong European interest from:
Langer - 1st on the money-list
Jimenez - 2nd
Montgomerie - 4th
Parnevik - 25th
Broadhurst - 27th
Woosnam - 50th
Chapman - 57th
M-A Martin - 66th
Remesy just missed out in 74th position.

6).The Tour has announced a new tournament, to be contested in South Korea, for the 2017/18 season - further details to be released on Monday but that essentially gives the Tour an "Asian swing" with the CIMB & HSBC (four initials apparently a pre-requisite). Perhaps the fields for this and the CIMB will be expanded from the no-cut, limited field closed shop that "Malaysia" currently offers - otherwise, what's the point, other than to showcase the Tour's Asian members?

7).The World Golf Hall Of Fame opened its doors yesterday with phone calls to Davis Love, Meg Mallon, Lorena Ochoa, Ian Woosnam and a shout to the bar in the heavens where Henry Longhurst now resides. All inductees with various degrees of worthiness I'm sure, just wish they'd start catching up on golf course architects who have been largely ignored so far.

8).Adam Scott is teeing it up in Malaysia this week and thought this list of Tour wins since 2003 was interesting:
45: Woods
23: Singh
21: Mickelson
13: McIlroy & Adam Scott.

9).Malaysia's CIMB offers some double-dipping pros the golden opportunity to combine their trip to China for the HSBC Champions - as an absolute minimum, playing in both tournaments will yield:
2 starts (out of the minimum of 15 - or whatever it will be for Presidents Cup team members)
2 cuts
$54K in guaranteed loot
Ain't life grand?

10).And that's the largesse that Rafa Cabrera-Bello will earn as he embarks on his PGA Tour career. Your Ryder Cup performance suggests you belong on Tour and getting these two events out of the way early doors will greatly assist your scheduling next year. Keep your place in the owgr Top 50, play all the Majors and WGC's, and you'll only have to find six more starts.
Great to see the Spanish Armada grow this year to four: Sergio, Rafa, Jon Rahm and Gonzo. Good luck to all of them.


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Re: PGA Tour: From Napa to Malaysia: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 2:04 pm

robo,
Whichever way you look at it, this cannibalizes the fields for the Fall US events. And I would also think it is to the detriment of the TV audience, viewing sometimes being a habit that's easy to get out of.

PGA Tour should ask itself: What would William McGirt do?

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Post by pedro on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 2:20 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
PGA Tour should ask itself: What would William McGirt do?
Play the pro-am in an opposite event?

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Re: PGA Tour: From Napa to Malaysia: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by robopz on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 2:56 pm

I agree in that it can't help but to cannibalize a couple of the fields in the Americas, but there are a few silver linings too. Webbie's should get more starts in the fall which has been an ongoing problem and let's not forget the international TV aspect.

People forget the PGAT is available in over 1 billion homes world-wide. And with Korea now having the 2nd most non-Americans behind only Australia on Tour, audiences could be huge. And it's not like we don't already know that nothing is gonna compete successfully against football here during that time frame here... So this whole Asian swing thing gives them a great chance to build internationally.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 3:25 pm

Tim Finchem's words verbatim!!

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Post by robopz on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 3:55 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Tim Finchem's words verbatim!!
LOL... Could have been but I think it's Jay Monahan on this one.  

But I'll tell you what Tim or Jay won't tell you... at least not directly.  Absolutely the PGA Tour is committed to "global golf" which might someday even include some semblance of a world tour beyond what we have today.  But they're ONLY interested to the extent that it's controlled by the PGA Tour, lock, stock & barrel. This new event is a perfect example. It may technically be a co-sanction with the Korean Tour, but just like the CIMB, it's another wholly PGAT owned and operated event.

EDIT: And since the PGAT owns the WGC HSBC as well, I think you can see where this is going. ETs been busy adding some low dollar co sanctions like Fiji while the PGAT drops a $9 mil+ event to make up their own $25 mil 3-event Asian swing right before the ET finals.

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Post by pedro on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 4:47 pm

The ET is an embarassment adding the Fiji and Mauritius events. Next in line is Zanzibar and Samoa and they'll have a complete beachcomber swing. Good for your bunker practise though.

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Post by robopz on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 5:13 pm

pedro wrote:The ET is an embarassment adding the Fiji and Mauritius events. Next in line is Zanzibar and Samoa and they'll have a complete beachcomber swing. Good for your bunker practise though.
I will say this much though... Pelley's job is the same as Finchem in one respect. His job is to provide playing opportunities for his players and he seems to be doing that.  

But that said, it's one thing to put up alternates against really big events line WGC's which most the rank and file members can't qualify for... but it's entirely another to put up opposites (like Fiji) against your own regular events that are already struggling to attract quality fields. ET is doing it again in December with the AUS PGA up against the Alfred Dunhill in SA. But having the Tshwane as an alternate to the WGC Mexico next March is great

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Post by super_realist on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 5:43 pm

pedro wrote:The ET is an embarassment adding the Fiji and Mauritius events. Next in line is Zanzibar and Samoa and they'll have a complete beachcomber swing. Good for your bunker practise though.

The only thing wrong with it is that it's called the European Tour.

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Post by robopz on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 6:05 pm

super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:The ET is an embarassment adding the Fiji and Mauritius events. Next in line is Zanzibar and Samoa and they'll have a complete beachcomber swing. Good for your bunker practise though.

The only thing wrong with it is that it's called the European Tour.
ET would probably prefer to rebtand as the World Golf Tour if they could... But the PGA Tour owns that trademark within the European Union.

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Post by GPB on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 7:00 pm

Hale Irwin has also won a tournament in the six inhabited continents.

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Post by GPB on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 7:10 pm

robopz wrote:ET would probably prefer to rebtand as the World Golf Tour if they could... But the PGA Tour owns that trademark within the European Union.

Well there are other potential names, I can't imagine the PGATour owning all these trademarks.

Offhand, I can think of

"Global Golf Tour"
"Tour Le Monde"
"Earth Tour"
"Continental Tour"
" 'Third Rock from the Sun" Tour"
"Solar System Tour"
"United Nations Tour"

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Post by Davie on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 7:40 pm

super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:The ET is an embarassment adding the Fiji and Mauritius events. Next in line is Zanzibar and Samoa and they'll have a complete beachcomber swing. Good for your bunker practise though.

The only thing wrong with it is that it's called the European Tour.

Just like the Champions League

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Post by super_realist on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 7:47 pm

Davie wrote:
super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:The ET is an embarassment adding the Fiji and Mauritius events. Next in line is Zanzibar and Samoa and they'll have a complete beachcomber swing. Good for your bunker practise though.

The only thing wrong with it is that it's called the European Tour.

Just like the Champions League

Or the World Series, or Sports Personality of the Year.


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Re: PGA Tour: From Napa to Malaysia: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by pedro on Mon 24 Oct 2016, 7:47 pm

robopz wrote:
super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:The ET is an embarassment adding the Fiji and Mauritius events. Next in line is Zanzibar and Samoa and they'll have a complete beachcomber swing. Good for your bunker practise though.

The only thing wrong with it is that it's called the European Tour.
ET would probably prefer to rebtand as the World Golf Tour if they could... But the PGA Tour owns that trademark within the European Union.
Who cares? The ET is hardly played in the EU anymore, and even less so 2 years from now...

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Post by raycastleunited on Tue 25 Oct 2016, 2:10 pm

robopz wrote:
But that said, it's one thing to put up alternates against really big events line WGC's which most the rank and file members can't qualify for... but it's entirely another to put up opposites (like Fiji) against your own regular events that are already struggling to attract quality fields. ET is doing it again in December with the AUS PGA up against the Alfred Dunhill in SA.

Except none of these tournaments are ET events. They are events on other tours. It's just a code share

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Post by robopz on Tue 25 Oct 2016, 2:28 pm

raycastleunited wrote:Except none of these tournaments are ET events. They are events on other tours. It's just a code share
Ha... I like the term "code-share". For a bunch of them that's what it really boils down to.

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Post by pedro on Tue 25 Oct 2016, 3:54 pm

Imagine the pick up line: "I've played on the European Tour." When in fact all you did was getting a special invite for the Fiji tourney because you were running the miniature golf course at the local beach resort.

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Post by GPB on Tue 25 Oct 2016, 5:37 pm

pedro wrote:Imagine the pick up line: "I've played on the European Tour."

Yevgeny Kafelnikov must be a heckuva Wing man then!

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Post by robopz on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 1:32 am

Interesting... Sunshine Tour changes it's Flagship event (and it's guaranteed flagship 32 OWGR points) away from the South African Open (€1 million) and gives it to the Alfred Dunhill Championship (€1.2 million) effective this year (OWGR week 49).   And the ET has the co-sanctioned Australian PGA playing as an opposite event to the Dunhill. As of now it appears as though the S.A. Open will still play Jan 12-15 as scheduled.

EDIT: Also... OWGR announces Peter Dawson as it's new chairman, replacing Sir Michael Bonallack who held the position for the past 12 years.


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Post by robopz on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 1:54 am

The Turkish Airline's Open appears to still be on tap for next week despite the security concerns from the rocket attack a few weeks ago some 55 miles away.  As of now it looks like 53 of the top-70 eligible players have entered.  Currently they go to #88 to get the 70th player.

5 of the current R2D top-10 are entered: #1 Willett, #3 McIlroy, #5 Hatton, #6 Bello, #10 Kaymer are entered along with 6 of the current 11-20 players, 6 of the 21-30 players, 8 of the 31-40 players and 9 of the 41-50 players.

Notable non-entries in the top-30 include Stenson, Noren, Oosty, Grace, Wood, Luiten, Garcia, Pieters, Franny & Schwartzel.... all who are entered in this weeks WGC-HSBC.  

Speaking of the HSBC... barring WD's, and even with the absence of #1 Jason Day and #4 Jordan Spieth, it appears this will be it's strongest OWGR rated field ever for this event with 70 points to the winner

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 2:18 am

That rumbling sound is Bobby Locke turning over in his grave.
Makes you kinda wonder why the Saffers don't let Dunhill sponsor their Open and really make it into a top class event.

Still don't understand why Justin Rose is not in the R2D rankings . . . . . . . is his card or membership in question?

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Post by robopz on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 3:36 am

kwinigolfer wrote:That rumbling sound is Bobby Locke turning over in his grave.
Makes you kinda wonder why the Saffers don't let Dunhill sponsor their Open and really make it into a top class event.

Still don't understand why Justin Rose is not in the R2D rankings . . . . . . . is his card or membership in question?
The South Africa thing baffles me. Japan Open, Australian Open, Korean Open... all flagships of their tour's... now the S.A. Open won't?  I have NO clue why.  I did notice that last year Pelley was musing about the BMW PGA not being a real flagship because of it's purse... did he have some influence in stripping the S.A. Open of it's status because it's not the highest S.A. purse anymore?  

Have no clue on the ET membership status on Rose... other than to note that the only starts he had made that could be considered ET non-Major/WGC starts were the Olympics and Ryder Cup.  Do those even count towards this new 5 minimum... or do they have to actually be ET regular events.


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Post by I'm never wrong on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 6:18 am

robopz wrote:The Turkish Airline's Open appears to still be on tap for next week despite the security concerns from the rocket attack a few weeks ago some 55 miles away.

Event has been heavily advertised on TV - well SkySports anyway - over here Robo.

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Post by robopz on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 3:00 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:
robopz wrote:The Turkish Airline's Open appears to still be on tap for next week despite the security concerns from the rocket attack a few weeks ago some 55 miles away.

Event has been heavily advertised on TV - well SkySports anyway - over here Robo.
Thanks... I didn't have a lot of doubt they'd play, but at the time of the attack the ET had said they'd do a security review and report the status of the event later. I never heard the results of the review if the ET ever did come back with anything. And I do know the LET event this summer was cancelled over security concerns.

Bottom line: When you play all over the world, there's gonna be times where the places you play suffer political strife up to and including wars and such breaking out. Each situation is different and requires their own set of concerns and/or extra security precautions taken if the decisions to play is made. Goes with the territory I guess. I don't expect issues next week, but none of us can ignore the prospect that a high profile event like this might draw special attention from the types of folks who wreck havoc.

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Post by GPB on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 3:23 pm



McIlroy: No-cut rule helped Woods rack up WGC wins

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/mcilroy-no-cut-rule-helped-woods-rack-wgc-wins

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Post by robopz on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 3:55 pm

GPB wrote:

McIlroy: No-cut rule helped Woods rack up WGC wins

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/mcilroy-no-cut-rule-helped-woods-rack-wgc-wins
Interesting theory as to the HOW Rory thought it made a difference.   Does make one wonder though... if the no-cut aspect really is a factor... why would it have so apparently favored Tiger Woods so much more than "everyone else" in WGC's?  And why wouldn't that aspect have favored him to the same extent in his other no-cut events like the Tour Championship for instance.   IMO TW's massive success in the WGC's can be more explained mostly because he found the venue's very much suited his game... that.... and he was a head and shoulder better talent above everybody else.

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Post by GPB on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 4:02 pm

When Paul Casey decided to drop off the Euro Tour, he claimed that there was another World Class European being envious of his decision and wished that he could do it.

Maybe that golfer was Justin Rose.

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Post by robopz on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 4:11 pm

GPB wrote:When Paul Casey decided to drop off the Euro Tour, he claimed that there was another World Class European being envious of his decision and wished that he could do it.

Maybe that golfer was Justin Rose.
back when Casey said that, I thought it had to be Rose or Rory. My guess is this particular situation is more about his back issues though. If the RC and Olympics count towards the 5, he could have easily made it, and even if one or both don't, it still would have been doable.

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Post by GPB on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 5:02 pm

Since the Olympics and Ryder Cup are essentially co-sanctioned events, I would not think either counts.

When Rory had his injury, he had already played 4 non-co-sanctioned events.

Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Irish Open and BMW PGA.

Justin's back injury was 2+ months later, and he had not played any non-co-sanctioned events.

Not the BMW-PGA, not the French Open, not the Scottish Open, not any Middle East events, not anything.

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Post by GPB on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 5:40 pm

If neither RC or Olympics count, Rose would have had to play in the 3 RtD events (Turkey, Nedbank, Dubai) plus two out of these events (Dunhill Links, British Masters & Portugal)

Given his results in the Majors and earlier WGCs, there was no guarantee that he would be in the Top 60 to play in Dubai.

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Post by robopz on Wed 26 Oct 2016, 9:23 pm

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Post by pedro on Mon 16 Jan 2017, 10:18 pm

robopz wrote:Justin Thomas is ALL for PGA Tour expansion of more events in ASIA. He's 2 for 2 in Malaysia... Maybe he's becoming the PGA Tour's version of Lee Westwood?
Robo, you usually make quality posts - but this one is just WAY OUT!  Hug

Although Hawaii is half-way there...

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Post by robopz on Mon 16 Jan 2017, 11:48 pm

pedro wrote:
robopz wrote:Justin Thomas is ALL for PGA Tour expansion of more events in ASIA. He's 2 for 2 in Malaysia... Maybe he's becoming the PGA Tour's version of Lee Westwood?
Robo, you usually make quality posts - but this one is just WAY OUT!  Hug

Although Hawaii is half-way there...
Lol... You got me there... Or at least JT did....

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Post by raycastleunited on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 1:42 pm

robopz wrote:
I'm never wrong wrote:
robopz wrote:The Turkish Airline's Open appears to still be on tap for next week despite the security concerns from the rocket attack a few weeks ago some 55 miles away.

Event has been heavily advertised on TV - well SkySports anyway - over here Robo.
Thanks... I didn't have a lot of doubt they'd play, but at the time of the attack the ET had said they'd do a security review and report the status of the event later.  I never heard the results of the review if the ET ever did come back with anything.   And I do know the LET event this summer was cancelled over security concerns.  

Bottom line:  When you play all over the world, there's gonna be times where the places you play suffer political strife up to and including wars and such breaking out.  Each situation is different and requires their own set of concerns and/or extra security precautions taken if the decisions to play is made.  Goes with the territory I guess.  I don't expect issues next week, but none of us can ignore the prospect that a high profile event like this might draw special attention from the types of folks who wreck havoc.

I got a brochure in the post from golfbreaks last week, heavily promoting Turkey in 2017, and guess what it is ridiculously cheap.

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Post by pedro on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 2:58 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
robopz wrote:
I'm never wrong wrote:
robopz wrote:The Turkish Airline's Open appears to still be on tap for next week despite the security concerns from the rocket attack a few weeks ago some 55 miles away.

Event has been heavily advertised on TV - well SkySports anyway - over here Robo.
Thanks... I didn't have a lot of doubt they'd play, but at the time of the attack the ET had said they'd do a security review and report the status of the event later.  I never heard the results of the review if the ET ever did come back with anything.   And I do know the LET event this summer was cancelled over security concerns.  

Bottom line:  When you play all over the world, there's gonna be times where the places you play suffer political strife up to and including wars and such breaking out.  Each situation is different and requires their own set of concerns and/or extra security precautions taken if the decisions to play is made.  Goes with the territory I guess.  I don't expect issues next week, but none of us can ignore the prospect that a high profile event like this might draw special attention from the types of folks who wreck havoc.

I got a brochure in the post from golfbreaks last week, heavily promoting Turkey in 2017, and guess what it is ridiculously cheap.
Give it a shot... Run

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Post by BlueCoverman on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 6:34 pm

raycastleunited wrote:I got a brochure in the post from golfbreaks last week, heavily promoting Turkey in 2017, and guess what it is ridiculously cheap.

A great shame for Turkey but inevitable really. Belek is a fantastic place for golf and the hotels are wonderful, I've enjoyed four trips to this area. My golf club are still going this year, staying again at the Regnum. However whereas numbers have previously been 28 or 32, this year only 16 golfers are making the trip. Expect Spain, Portugal, Tenerife, Mallorca etc to be rammed....

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Post by pedro on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 7:58 pm

If I were to invest in a holiday home it would be in Andalucia. All year destination, beach/mountains/ski/culture, great weather, civilized place (bar Torremolinos and other British outposts) and real estate prices bottomed out and on the up. This plus the easy all year access from all over Europe will ensure the area remains attractive if you'd like to sell it again.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:29 pm

Too "British" for me Pedro.

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Post by pedro on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:48 pm

Few choices really super. Especially if you want nice weather year round. Balearic too expensive, Greek islands not really accessible year round. Just stay off Costa del Sol and move a bit inland.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:50 pm

Depends what you are after Pedro. Pretty sure that in the whole of Europe there's plenty places where you get all those things without the ghastly British invasion. Andalucia is no doubt very nice, but Spain just doesn't appeal to me.

For me it would have to be somewhere like Austria, Split my interests between Summer/Winter. Everything I need.

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Post by pedro on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 9:08 pm

Of course. But I was thinking in terms of investment, with an all year warm climate in mind - now with Turkey and other poopieholes surrounding us essentially out of the picture. And then Andalucia gives you the bonus option of skiing in winter, culture etc. So you potentially cater for a bigger and more 'diverse' audience.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 9:21 pm

Fair point. I wouldn't visit (other than Qatar and UAE), let alone buy anywhere in an Islamic country given the choice, so I can see the attraction in Spain if that's what you were looking for.

Not sure the Andalucia skiing is up to much though, Sierra Nevada is pretty small and not especially well thought of.

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Post by raycastleunited on Wed 18 Jan 2017, 1:23 pm

super_realist wrote:Too "British" for me Pedro.

That is a really bizarre comment. There is a lot more to Andalucia than Marbella and Torremolinos. Granada is beautiful but not great for the golf. I love Sevilla which has a lot to offer and is good for golf too. However if I was looking to buy a holiday home any where in Europe I think I would go to Mallorca or Valencia.

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