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WALES v AUSTRALIA  
5 November 2016
KO: 14:30 GMT
Principality Stadium, Cardiff

Live on BBC Sports

Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
Assistant Referees: Jérôme Garcès (France), Federico Anselmi (Argentina)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

A. Head to Head

39 Played 39
10 Won 28
1 Drawn 1
28 Lost 10
596 Points 912

B. Recent Form

10 October 2015:
Twickenham Stadium
15 – 6 to Australia
2015 Rugby World Cup Pool A

8 November 2014:
Millennium Stadium
28 – 33 to Australia
2014 Autumn International

30 November 2013:
Millennium Stadium
26 – 30 to Australia
2013 Autumn International

1 December 2012:
Millennium Stadium
12 – 14 to Australia
2012 Autumn International

23 June 2012:
Sydney Football Stadium
20 – 19 to Australia
Welsh Tour of Australia

16 June 2012:
Etihad Stadium
25 – 23 to Australia
Welsh Tour of Australia

9 June 2012:
Suncorp Stadium
27 – 19 to Australia
Welsh Tour of Australia

3 December 2011:
Millennium Stadium
18 – 24 to Australia
2011 Autumn International

C. Teams


WALES 
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15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 Jonathan Davies, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 George North, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Rhys Webb, 8 Ross Moriarty, 7 Justin Tipuric, 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Luke Charteris, 4 Bradley Davies, 3 Samson Le, 2 Ken Owens, 1 Gethin Jenkins

Replacements: 16 Scott Baldwin, 17 Nicky Smith, 18 Tomas Francis, 19 Cory Hill, 20 James King, 21 Gareth Davies, 22 Sam Davies, 23 Hallam Amos

AUSTRALIA  
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15 Israel Folau, 14 Dane Haylett-Petty, 13 Tevita Kuridrani, 12 Reece Hodge, 11 Henry Speight, 10 Bernard Foley, 9 Nick Phipps, 8 Lopeti Timani, 7 Michael Hooper, 6 David Pocock, 5 Adam Coleman, 4 Rory Arnold, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Stephen Moore (c), 1 Scott Sio

Replacements: 16 Tolu Latu, 17 James Slipper, 18 Allan Alaalatoa, 19 Rob Simmons, 20 Scott Fardy, 21 Nick Frisby, 22 Quade Cooper, 23 Sefa Naivalu


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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 2:49 pm

this is looking extremely ominous for Wales. I can't remember such a one sided start.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 2:51 pm

0 metres made to Aus 105m by 14 mins? That's astounding. Had the displeasure of watching the opening 15 mins on break - glad I won't be watching the rest. I can see why some supporters haven't bothered to turn up today. Perhaps the WRU might get the message regarding the mismanagement of the team we all pay good money for?

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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 2:58 pm

the ref is standing right by the scrum. how can he not see it being collapsed by the aussies loose head?
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Post by mid_gen on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 2:59 pm

This is not a poor Australia side, can see this ending up a thumping...ominous so far

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 2:59 pm

They're dangerous as frig. Joubert missed so much off that last passage of play though.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:02 pm

Are Wales actuly on on the field?

This seems more like a training run for Australia rather than a game of international rugby.

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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:07 pm

joubert favoring a sh team shocker
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Post by wales606 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:09 pm

Embarrassing. No chance.

Will get 1 win this autumn against Japan, unless we play like this again, in which case we will get 0.
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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:09 pm

well at least it's not going to be another one score loss
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Post by Ineffable on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:10 pm

Wales playing like tw*ts today, but they will beat South Africa and Japan.

Scotland will do better against Aus next week, but in the end will also lose by a couple scores at least.

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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:11 pm

these dummy runners seem borderline blocking
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:12 pm

We all knew it was coming. Why didn't Howley or the WRU?

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Post by chris_501 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:17 pm

Defensively abject, ill disciplined and physically inept.

Could easily have been a 40 point half.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:17 pm

mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:18 pm

One more score will put it to bed for Aus, which they will do. Wales I expect will come back but it'll be too little too late. What's more annoying than losing to Aus + Joubert is allowing Howley and McBride to coach the team, and then the team selection. Some of the supporters deserve better IMO.

BTW, I thought Australia looked pretty good from what I saw. Executing the basics pretty well, playing to a fairly simple game plan but probably looking to offload too much when it isn't on.


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Post by TJ on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:18 pm

Blinkers Mickey. Wales do well in the 6N so all they need is to do the same but a bit better seems to be the Wales management idea against the SH. Well it don't work. Why Wales keep predictably kicking long to the full back is beyond me.

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Post by wales606 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:18 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

Well we are currently 5th, so think we will be okay getting into the top 8
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:18 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

Why can't you English just go and support a team instead of reveling in Wales losses all the time? It's pretty sad. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Ineffable on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:22 pm

Not sure why anyone expected anything else out of this match! Not saying many have, but anyone that did

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Post by exile jack on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:22 pm

For those of us unfortunate enough to be in NZ in the summer this performance is no surprise.Coached by comedians who are an embarrassment on any rugby paddock.Come on OZ score 80 then the WRU might,and it's a big might,wake up.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:23 pm

I really hope Wales tighten up in the second half, that was as poor a showing as I have seen from them in some time. Way too narrow in defence and inviting the Aussies to attack.
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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:24 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

Why can't you English just go and support a team instead of reveling in Wales losses all the time? It's pretty sad. Rolling Eyes

mikey_dragon

I was hoping Wales would win today. But, well it does look like Wales are not going to win.

So the trend of losing to SH teams. continues. oh well.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:26 pm

Some stats;

Missed tackles 13 - 1.
Run Metres: 500 - 93.
Line Breaks:7 -0.
Possession: 89% - 11%.

I think we all know that Wales can only improve on this.

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Post by True Raven on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:27 pm

So Howley has this team for two weeks barely releasing anyone and this is how they perform. God help us if he takes over in 2019.

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Post by stub on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:27 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

Why can't you English just go and support a team instead of reveling in Wales losses all the time? It's pretty sad. Rolling Eyes

Not all English feel like that Mikey - I'm hoping for far better from Wales in the second half. They are capable of so much more.

(Understand you must be pretty peed off)

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:27 pm

There was me thinking the SH teams were weaker and Wales was going to win today, oh well Ireland might do something later today!
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Post by glamorganalun on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:28 pm

Rubbish by Wales they are not contesting in the line out giving Aust easy ball. Biggar kicking is brainless I suspect the coaching which is where Wales need to change both forward and backs. This could be a 60 point loss, may be what is needed for change.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:29 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

Why can't you English just go and support a team instead of reveling in Wales losses all the time? It's pretty sad. Rolling Eyes

mikey_dragon

I was hoping Wales would win today. But, well it does look like Wales are not going to win.

So the trend of losing to SH teams. continues. oh well.

Yeah the constant snide remarks and ongoing revelling is what we're talking about really, but then again you always have acted pretty low since the old 606 days - so why I expected you to start being a real rugby fan now I don't know.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:30 pm

Some lovely rugby being played by Aus, as a neutral I'm enjoying this game.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:31 pm

stub wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

Why can't you English just go and support a team instead of reveling in Wales losses all the time? It's pretty sad. Rolling Eyes

Not all English feel like that Mikey - I'm hoping for far better from Wales in the second half. They are capable of so much more.

(Understand you must be pretty peed off)

Going by what I've witnessed since the last 6N I don't think what you say is true. Ah well. I do hope England continue to do well anyway, they actually look capable of threatening SH dominance and by god it needs to be overcome!

I think most fans are peed off over how some of this could have been avoided, but the union and coaches have a knack for repeating their mistakes....over and over again.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:32 pm

Oh my.....Wales look really bad.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:32 pm

They are missing Warbs leadership.
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Post by Ineffable on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:38 pm

Anyone else think this game would be much better if one-eyed Davies just stopped talking or preferably left the commentary booth altogether?

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Post by stub on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:39 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
stub wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

Why can't you English just go and support a team instead of reveling in Wales losses all the time? It's pretty sad. Rolling Eyes

Not all English feel like that Mikey - I'm hoping for far better from Wales in the second half. They are capable of so much more.

(Understand you must be pretty peed off)

Going by what I've witnessed since the last 6N I don't think what you say is true. Ah well. I do hope England continue to do well anyway, they actually look capable of threatening SH dominance and by god it needs to be overcome!

I think most fans are peed off over how some of this could have been avoided, but the union and coaches have a knack for repeating their mistakes....over and over again.

Well it's true in my case Mikey and I'm sure that I can recall other English posters being generally supportive of Wales and the other home nations. You do get always get some who will enjoy seeing another nation do badly but I really don't believe it's everyone. I'm sure I'll be biting my tongue lots of times next week as numerous posters cheer on South Africa! I could guess a few of the names now but won't!

Anyway Wales looking a bit better so far..

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:39 pm

Not if they replace him with Keith Wood.

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Post by Ineffable on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:40 pm

Intensity in this game has just disappeared. Aus guilty of this just as much. Wales have a chance here if you ask me, could take advantage, score next then game on.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:40 pm

Did anyone else see Hooper's sneaky punch to the head on Moriarty?
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Post by Ineffable on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:41 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Not if they replace him with Keith Wood.

Laugh OK

Or andrew cotter!

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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:41 pm

I'm not blaming joubert. did I say it was his fault?
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Post by Ineffable on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:42 pm

Joubert was looking to allow advantage there but as soon as Wales get it he blows. That's not good, pretty sure he should just blow up immediately?

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Post by glamorganalun on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:45 pm

Rubbish by Wales they are not contesting in the line out giving Aust easy ball. Biggar kicking is brainless I suspect the coaching which is where Wales need to change both forward and backs. This could be a 60 point loss, may be what is needed for change.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:47 pm

Men against Boyos.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:47 pm

glamorganalun wrote:Rubbish by Wales they are not contesting in the line out giving Aust easy ball. Biggar kicking is brainless I suspect the coaching which is where Wales need to change both forward and backs. This could be a 60 point loss, may be what is needed for change.

I think that Biggar has kicked reasonably well myself. That said, kicking high to the Alex Cuthbert wing and expecting him to attack the ball is pretty bad game management.
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Post by doctor_grey on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:49 pm

Wales are supposed to have a great defense coach. They are out of position a lot of the time. Maybe Edwards run is over?

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:50 pm

wales606 wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:joubert favoring a sh team shocker


You cannot blame jubert for the way Wales are playing.

This is a shocker for Wales. If they had any hope of getting into the top 8 of the draw for rugby world cup places. Well playing like they are they have no chance.

Well we are currently 5th, so think we will be okay getting into the top 8

You need to remember that Wales are currently 5th - but after this match with this losing margin, they'll be 6th and on 80.97. France are 80.75, Scot 80.45, Argentina 80.31 - very tight rankings from 6th-9th spot.
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Post by stub on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:53 pm

More like it!

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:53 pm

Ineffable wrote:Joubert was looking to allow advantage there but as soon as Wales get it he blows. That's not good, pretty sure he should just blow up immediately?

That's something I've noticed in the last 3 Aus vs Wales games reffed by Joubert - that and the reluctance to punish the Wallaby scrum. I'm not sure how it's functioning today as I'm missing the match. Now I don't want to accuse CJ of bias....but surely after all his performances in matches between the NH and SH more questions should be asked.

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:54 pm

Nothing changes. Howley has zero clue about rugby, Madge has zero clue about the English language and Hersh has resurfaced again.

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:55 pm

Yes Hallam

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Post by Ineffable on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:58 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Ineffable wrote:Joubert was looking to allow advantage there but as soon as Wales get it he blows. That's not good, pretty sure he should just blow up immediately?

That's something I've noticed in the last 3 Aus vs Wales games reffed by Joubert - that and the reluctance to punish the Wallaby scrum. I'm not sure how it's functioning today as I'm missing the match. Now I don't want to accuse CJ of bias....but surely after all his performances in matches between the NH and SH more questions should be asked.

Well he got in the way of Phipps the Oz 9 (he touched him too) and Joubert just let it go, then a Wales player intercepted and he blew up. In fairness the delay to Phipps meant the Wales line could get up, but what if the Oz line managed to benefit from it - was he just going to let it keep going?

Thing with Joubert is mostly everyone I know says it, including SH supporters - he's too keen to give "benefit of the doubt" to the SH. Need I say Scotland vs Australia last year ... guarantee if it was the other way round it would have been a scrum not a pen.

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