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msp83 wrote:Interested to see the latest line on Rashid.
That he was unable to dislodge number 9 and 11 when a legspinner is expected to run through the lower order? That India were looking for quick runs and didn't mind giving away a few wickets in the process and Rashid was lucky enough to be the right person at the right time? That the pitch was turning a mile and any mediocre spinner would have done what he did?
Some truth in all of those , msp .
I thought he bowled quite well. As I said yesterday , he will play all the matches in India. But unless he makes a serious step up he is unlikely to feature in England teams at home , where four seamers will inevitably be used.
He has a fair chance of making the party to tour Australia next year , if nobody else forces their way into calculations. Not sure he will either be successful there or indeed actually feature in many Tests...the Aussies are not usually hospitable to visiting spin bowlers...
But I'm getting ahead of myself there. To sum up today's work : he has gained a point or two in my eyes. But I'm not getting too excited over wickets taken in those particular circumstances...let us see how he goes over the series.
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Jayant Yadav is so straight bat, very organized in defense and so correct in the way he was absolutely "untroubled" facing the spinners and Anderson, Broad and Stokes....that he could very well bat at no.6 thought realistically he will move up a spot to 8 next game...averages 62 with the bat now:)
I hope he can get some wickets to and seal off a great debut.
The play today reiterated what I have been saying throughout the series...play your best bowlers...and not medicore ones with pitch in mind......
and also I recommend again that English seamers practice a lot of cutters with scrambled seam.....and they are likely to get more out of the pitch
150 overs to survive...and if they go at 2.7 RPO they could win
It's a long series and at the very least Eng need to fight, get confidence and workout their best 11 for the next game
I hope he can get some wickets to and seal off a great debut.
The play today reiterated what I have been saying throughout the series...play your best bowlers...and not medicore ones with pitch in mind......
and also I recommend again that English seamers practice a lot of cutters with scrambled seam.....and they are likely to get more out of the pitch
150 overs to survive...and if they go at 2.7 RPO they could win
It's a long series and at the very least Eng need to fight, get confidence and workout their best 11 for the next game
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Saha is no Dhoni
He isn't awful ; so I guess he will retain his spot while India are winning. Wicketkeepers tend to be dumped more readily when their teams hit a bad patch...
He isn't awful ; so I guess he will retain his spot while India are winning. Wicketkeepers tend to be dumped more readily when their teams hit a bad patch...
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msp my friend look at the glass 80% full and not 20% empty part.msp83 wrote:As for India, yet another failure for Wriddhiman Saha with the bat. He hasn't made any significant contribution with the bat in this series other than a little bit of a partnership with Ashwin in the first innings at Rajkot. He has been part of 3 collapses so far. And his much hyped glove work has been shoddy and unreliable. Aren't the selectors taking note of young Rishabh Pant? Think the lad is a touch too much for domestic bowlers, perhaps they shold give him some squad time now, to give him that much valuable experience, and also to send Saha the message. Hope Saha can go on for a year or 2 more by the time Pant could be more prepared as such, but then, Saha has to be spotless at least with the gloves, his primary responsibility, and chip in with some runs. Perhaps they can demote him to 8 and promote Jadeja or even Jayant Yadav up the order. Jadeja has been batting like a bowler in this series, trying to slog most of the times. When he was forced to bat more like a batsman at Rajkot in a pressure situation, he did deliver. Any which way, they need to do something about Saha. I know KPF's argument about not judging Saha on a test-to-test basis and under regular circumstances that is fair enough. But Saha has been India's regular gloveman for nearly 2 years now, and other than the stretch from the West Indies to the New Zealand tour, he has been inconsistent with both gloves and bat.
not all the 11 contribute every game....if 7 to 8 of the 11 keep performing every series teams do well
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Alfie, do agree on Rashid that he's unlikely to figure a lot in home tests unless Ali is unavailable or hit a horrendous rough patch. But think Rashid clearly has to be the number 2, he has done enough....... It would have been ideal if Ali was Muralitharan and Rashid Warne with the ball, sadly they aren't, but they are what England got, and they have to work and live with that and strive to get the best out of them....... Not sure the likes of Ansari are the alternatives.......
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And for Saha, of course he's not Dhoni! But it seemd he could afterall, do an adequate job with bat and many say he's the best keeper in the country. More than his batting, it is the missing chances that are irritating me. If he's dropping chances, at least at a rate of 1 per innings, then look at someone who can bring a lot more to the table with the bat. Someone like Samson, or the young sensation Pant.......
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i think they are allowed to use a roller at the end of innings that settles down the pitch for a bit......
nothing happening for the spinners....
Shami got a few to kick off the length
nothing happening for the spinners....
Shami got a few to kick off the length
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England on a South Africa like Blockathon here?
29-0 in 20 overs.......
Think Kohli should keep using his quicks from one end from time to time, Broad and Anderson were getting something from this pitch.......
29-0 in 20 overs.......
Think Kohli should keep using his quicks from one end from time to time, Broad and Anderson were getting something from this pitch.......
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Bring on the seamers, Virat!
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yes seamer from one end.....they will get more out of the variable bouncemsp83 wrote:Bring on the seamers, Virat!
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msp83 wrote:Alfie, do agree on Rashid that he's unlikely to figure a lot in home tests unless Ali is unavailable or hit a horrendous rough patch. But think Rashid clearly has to be the number 2, he has done enough....... It would have been ideal if Ali was Muralitharan and Rashid Warne with the ball, sadly they aren't, but they are what England got, and they have to work and live with that and strive to get the best out of them....... Not sure the likes of Ansari are the alternatives.......
Yeah I don't think we are too far apart on this , msp. The thing is , England of course play about half their games at home so that is a lot of games Rashid doesn't play...which can't help him settle in when he does play (on tour).
You say Ansari is perhaps not a viable alternative ; and certainly he'd need to improve. But it could be that there are occasions - in Australia , say ; or even West Indies - where England might want to employ a second spinner. If that is to be Rashid , I feel he needs to show the ability to perform in the first innings ; something I don't think he has done so far in his career. Otherwise he runs the risk of being overlooked for an Ansari - or perhaps a Leach ?
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Well, a good fightback by England to get the hosts out so cheaply second innings. India probably about 50 short of what they would have liked (probably about 50 more than England would have liked, to make a game of it).
Still, a formidable target to chase. Judging from how Cook and Hameed have started, they simply intend to bat out the remaining overs for a draw - which would be a good result, considering India were / are overwhelming favourites for the win.
Come on lads, you can do it! If ever there was a time we needed both openers to hit hundreds, (however slowly), now is that time...
Still, a formidable target to chase. Judging from how Cook and Hameed have started, they simply intend to bat out the remaining overs for a draw - which would be a good result, considering India were / are overwhelming favourites for the win.
Come on lads, you can do it! If ever there was a time we needed both openers to hit hundreds, (however slowly), now is that time...
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msp83 wrote:And for Saha, of course he's not Dhoni! But it seemd he could afterall, do an adequate job with bat and many say he's the best keeper in the country. More than his batting, it is the missing chances that are irritating me. If he's dropping chances, at least at a rate of 1 per innings, then look at someone who can bring a lot more to the table with the bat. Someone like Samson, or the young sensation Pant.......
Well of course I haven't seen this young fellow Pant. But it is the rather untidy glove work that causes me to wonder if Saha is a fix for the long term...not that he has been a sensation with the bat , but he can hold up an end.
As I say , I think he will be given time while the team is winning...
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dyrewolfe wrote:Well, a good fightback by England to get the hosts out so cheaply second innings. India probably about 50 short of what they would have liked (probably about 50 more than England would have liked, to make a game of it).
Still, a formidable target to chase. Judging from how Cook and Hameed have started, they simply intend to bat out the remaining overs for a draw - which would be a good result, considering India were / are overwhelming favourites for the win.
Come on lads, you can do it! If ever there was a time we needed both openers to hit hundreds, (however slowly), now is that time...
They are batting soundly , Wolfe ...but to do so until the close tomorrow : well that is calling for a bit of a miracle.
The longer they bat the better though ; still three matches to go and the harder they make it for India the more they will believe they can turn it around.
So far I think it's fair to say England have performed a little better than the pre-series chat suggested was likely.
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England will still almost certainly lose, probably sometime after lunch tomorrow, but so far this has been a good response. We must go down fighting to try and get some psychological points for the remainder of the series. Firstly to convince ourselves that we can bat long on turning pitches. Secondly that their spinners aren't unplayable. Thirdly that the pitches are generally good for batting even on the fourth and fifth days.
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alfie wrote:msp83 wrote:Alfie, do agree on Rashid that he's unlikely to figure a lot in home tests unless Ali is unavailable or hit a horrendous rough patch. But think Rashid clearly has to be the number 2, he has done enough....... It would have been ideal if Ali was Muralitharan and Rashid Warne with the ball, sadly they aren't, but they are what England got, and they have to work and live with that and strive to get the best out of them....... Not sure the likes of Ansari are the alternatives.......
Yeah I don't think we are too far apart on this , msp. The thing is , England of course play about half their games at home so that is a lot of games Rashid doesn't play...which can't help him settle in when he does play (on tour).
You say Ansari is perhaps not a viable alternative ; and certainly he'd need to improve. But it could be that there are occasions - in Australia , say ; or even West Indies - where England might want to employ a second spinner. If that is to be Rashid , I feel he needs to show the ability to perform in the first innings ; something I don't think he has done so far in his career. Otherwise he runs the risk of being overlooked for an Ansari - or perhaps a Leach ?
13 wickets in the series so far for Rashid - he's doing a perfectly acceptable job.
On your point 're:potential overseas tours and him being second spinner - if you're bringing in a 2nd spinner you're mainly bringing him in to take advantage of second innings turn?
Good job by Hameed and Cook so far - obviously England still in huge trouble, but those two look to have the ability to negate the spinners enough. Actually seem to be struggling with the seam bowlers more
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msp83 wrote:Interested to see the latest line on Rashid.
That he was unable to dislodge number 9 and 11 when a legspinner is expected to run through the lower order? That India were looking for quick runs and didn't mind giving away a few wickets in the process and Rashid was lucky enough to be the right person at the right time? That the pitch was turning a mile and any mediocre spinner would have done what he did?
Some characteristically fair and sound responses from Alfie. I was just going to say that I didn't see Rashid bowl today but those points seem about right.
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alfie wrote:dyrewolfe wrote:Well, a good fightback by England to get the hosts out so cheaply second innings. India probably about 50 short of what they would have liked (probably about 50 more than England would have liked, to make a game of it).
Still, a formidable target to chase. Judging from how Cook and Hameed have started, they simply intend to bat out the remaining overs for a draw - which would be a good result, considering India were / are overwhelming favourites for the win.
Come on lads, you can do it! If ever there was a time we needed both openers to hit hundreds, (however slowly), now is that time...
They are batting soundly , Wolfe ...but to do so until the close tomorrow : well that is calling for a bit of a miracle.
The longer they bat the better though ; still three matches to go and the harder they make it for India the more they will believe they can turn it around.
So far I think it's fair to say England have performed a little better than the pre-series chat suggested was likely.
Ha - it would be a miracle indeed, alfie!
I wasn't expecting these two to still be there this time tomorrow, but if they can see off at least 1 session tomorrow, it would give us a good chance of saving the match (assuming the likes of Root, Moeen, Bairstow and Stokes can occupy the crease for a while).
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when wickets fall they will in a cluster...and these two are the two most get-set , see-off type of batsmen in the English side......LivinginItaly wrote:England will still almost certainly lose, probably sometime after lunch tomorrow, but so far this has been a good response. We must go down fighting to try and get some psychological points for the remainder of the series. Firstly to convince ourselves that we can bat long on turning pitches. Secondly that their spinners aren't unplayable. Thirdly that the pitches are generally good for batting even on the fourth and fifth days.
draw will be a miracle......
and win beyond the realms of possible given the pitch
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LivinginItaly wrote:England will still almost certainly lose, probably sometime after lunch tomorrow, but so far this has been a good response. We must go down fighting to try and get some psychological points for the remainder of the series. Firstly to convince ourselves that we can bat long on turning pitches. Secondly that their spinners aren't unplayable. Thirdly that the pitches are generally good for batting even on the fourth and fifth days.
LiI - well, we're improving! Yesterday you were saying we were certain to lose sometime today!
Anyway, this is currently an admirable fight being put up by Cook and Hameed. Not sure there's enough time left in the match for Hameed to get the century that dyrewolfe is hoping for!
In a way though, the circumstances are almost helpful to England's openers in that they can play an exaggerated version of their normal game. Essentially crease occupation. As Atherton was just saying, that approach will not come so readily to several of the batters to follow.
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Olly I know you are a supporter of Rashid ( though I also seem to remember you running an "Ansari for England " campaign Has that one been cancelled ?)
Look , he has indeed done an "acceptable" job. But if he's to become that rare species - a regular England Test playing wrist spinner - he needs a bit more than acceptable.
My problem is this : so far in his brief career he has 19 second innings wickets and just nine in the first innings. And even on spinning pitches he has always gone at 3.3 to 4.5 per over.
This makes him a bit of a luxury ; though fortunately he bats well - as do several other bowlers - so he can fit in to the team in Asia. Not sure the same would apply on a first day in Adelaide , for example.
Look , he has indeed done an "acceptable" job. But if he's to become that rare species - a regular England Test playing wrist spinner - he needs a bit more than acceptable.
My problem is this : so far in his brief career he has 19 second innings wickets and just nine in the first innings. And even on spinning pitches he has always gone at 3.3 to 4.5 per over.
This makes him a bit of a luxury ; though fortunately he bats well - as do several other bowlers - so he can fit in to the team in Asia. Not sure the same would apply on a first day in Adelaide , for example.
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Ha Wolfe ...I did actually mean England still batting at end of day five rather than these two
Guildford I agree these two are doing a fine job...but as KPf says , there is a tendency for England to lose wickets in clusters : the longer these two bat the more chance the rest have of handling the pressure ; but it is still asking a lot to see off five sessions.
Guildford I agree these two are doing a fine job...but as KPf says , there is a tendency for England to lose wickets in clusters : the longer these two bat the more chance the rest have of handling the pressure ; but it is still asking a lot to see off five sessions.
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Ha Wolfe ...I did actually mean England still batting at end of day five rather than these two
Guildford I agree these two are doing a fine job...but as KPf says , there is a tendency for England to lose wickets in clusters : the longer these two bat the more chance the rest have of handling the pressure ; but it is still asking a lot to see off five sessions.
Edit : I am off for an hour or so now...Keep them safe , eh ?
Guildford I agree these two are doing a fine job...but as KPf says , there is a tendency for England to lose wickets in clusters : the longer these two bat the more chance the rest have of handling the pressure ; but it is still asking a lot to see off five sessions.
Edit : I am off for an hour or so now...Keep them safe , eh ?
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Been away for a few days but have been closing following the match.
England's downfall was the scatter-brained way they lost wickets at the top of the order in the first innings. They always had a mountain to climb from that point. They were looking down both barrels of the gun by close of play yesterday but to their credit today they have dug in and gave themselves a tiny glimmer of hope. However, at present I'd say likelihoods are India Win 80% Draw 18% England Win 2%.
From here on in England will look to close today no worse than 100 for 1. Tomorrow morning reach lunch on 175 for 3 (no worse than that) and tea for 250 for 5 (at worst) and hope to survive the final session with around 300 on the board. I'd rule out England going for the win as the scoring rate is so low at present and mindset is on survival.
India have no need to panic just yet as one wicket could be the catalyst to a collapse. They will hope to reduce England to 80 for 2 overnight. Tomorrow morning get into the middle order and reduce England to 150 for 5 at lunch and in the afternoon close at tea close to victory with England around 200 for 8 (or more) and the coup de gras completed soon after.
At present England 53 for 0 and this new opening partnership building another sizeable partnership.
England's downfall was the scatter-brained way they lost wickets at the top of the order in the first innings. They always had a mountain to climb from that point. They were looking down both barrels of the gun by close of play yesterday but to their credit today they have dug in and gave themselves a tiny glimmer of hope. However, at present I'd say likelihoods are India Win 80% Draw 18% England Win 2%.
From here on in England will look to close today no worse than 100 for 1. Tomorrow morning reach lunch on 175 for 3 (no worse than that) and tea for 250 for 5 (at worst) and hope to survive the final session with around 300 on the board. I'd rule out England going for the win as the scoring rate is so low at present and mindset is on survival.
India have no need to panic just yet as one wicket could be the catalyst to a collapse. They will hope to reduce England to 80 for 2 overnight. Tomorrow morning get into the middle order and reduce England to 150 for 5 at lunch and in the afternoon close at tea close to victory with England around 200 for 8 (or more) and the coup de gras completed soon after.
At present England 53 for 0 and this new opening partnership building another sizeable partnership.
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alfie wrote:Olly I know you are a supporter of Rashid ( though I also seem to remember you running an "Ansari for England " campaign Has that one been cancelled ?)
Look , he has indeed done an "acceptable" job. But if he's to become that rare species - a regular England Test playing wrist spinner - he needs a bit more than acceptable.
My problem is this : so far in his brief career he has 19 second innings wickets and just nine in the first innings. And even on spinning pitches he has always gone at 3.3 to 4.5 per over.
This makes him a bit of a luxury ; though fortunately he bats well - as do several other bowlers - so he can fit in to the team in Asia. Not sure the same would apply on a first day in Adelaide , for example.
#ansariforengland - that was a successful campaign! He's played for England
I don't think anyone will be calling for him to play in Eng/outside Asia. But, I do think if Moeen were to get injured he could come in for a test or two and do a decent job.
I have to admit, I quite like the 6 bowler option. I think it is one that England could go with full time (especially seeing as they can't seem to find anyone to bat at 4/5). Accept that leaves bowler 6 as a bit of a luxury, but reducing the workload of Broad/Anderson as they enter their latter years, whilst not really weakening the batting lineup is something I'd seriously consider.
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Oof! Cook surviving a close lbw shout there. DRS says umpire's call. Kohli not happy and gives Dharmasena a piece of his mind.
Oh lordy! Another appeal and this one has the same result...India have lost both their reviews now. Kohli is furious!
To be fair both could easily have been given out. Cook is a very lucky chap that the umpire ruled in his favour both times.
Oh lordy! Another appeal and this one has the same result...India have lost both their reviews now. Kohli is furious!
To be fair both could easily have been given out. Cook is a very lucky chap that the umpire ruled in his favour both times.
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The real test will come when England lose their first wicket. Will the incoming batsman be able to be able to play himself in and get himself established? That is the real tough ask.
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Not a lot poor Hameed could do about that one!
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And now comes the tough task.
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CaledonianCraig wrote:The real test will come when England lose their first wicket. Will the incoming batsman be able to be able to play himself in and get himself established? That is the real tough ask.
We're about to find out Craig.
Horrible ball that Hameed got. Not much he could have done about it.
Now lets see if the rest of England's top order can follow the example set by the openers.
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Hameed played a good hand....I like him...for his enthusiasm, patience and sheer innocence of youth....
looks a very good opening batsman....presents straight full face of the bat ...good solid defense with head over the ball...good leaver outside the off stump....knows his off stump.
Only weakness that I can see that is not likely to be exposed on this tour....is he is predominantly front-footed and gets so far forward and slightly across that if the ball is dug in ( by a reasonably quick bowler, on quicker pitches).....and get it into his rib cage....he will find it hard to duck out.....nor can he pull from that front foot committed position...will be in a tangle, caught on knots.
Ind would love too get one of Cook or Root tonight....
I would love to get both
looks a very good opening batsman....presents straight full face of the bat ...good solid defense with head over the ball...good leaver outside the off stump....knows his off stump.
Only weakness that I can see that is not likely to be exposed on this tour....is he is predominantly front-footed and gets so far forward and slightly across that if the ball is dug in ( by a reasonably quick bowler, on quicker pitches).....and get it into his rib cage....he will find it hard to duck out.....nor can he pull from that front foot committed position...will be in a tangle, caught on knots.
Ind would love too get one of Cook or Root tonight....
I would love to get both
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dyrewolfe wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:The real test will come when England lose their first wicket. Will the incoming batsman be able to be able to play himself in and get himself established? That is the real tough ask.
We're about to find out Craig.
Horrible ball that Hameed got. Not much he could have done about it.
Now lets see if the rest of England's top order can follow the example set by the openers.
Imperative this pair get through to close to carry on holding that glimmer of hope.
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Yep - basically England need these two to emulate Atherton's innings in Johannesburg.
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dyrewolfe wrote:Yep - basically England need these two to emulate Atherton's innings in Johannesburg.
I'd bet more on Cook being able to play that type of innings. Root is a different type of player and different mindset who you feel will eventually get out playing his shots.
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Oh dear - Cook falls in the last over of the day.
Unless Root can anchor the innings and we get a pretty heroic performance from the middle order, you have to say India might just have this now.
Unless Root can anchor the innings and we get a pretty heroic performance from the middle order, you have to say India might just have this now.
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That is a golden breakthrough for India in the final over with Cook out lbw. I'd say that is a hammer blow.
India following my earlier route map.
India following my earlier route map.
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Well that Cook wicket is definitely the game - just a case of when India will wrap it up now.
Excellent fight and character shown by England today- certainly not being pushed over like we feared they would in this series
Excellent fight and character shown by England today- certainly not being pushed over like we feared they would in this series
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India are odds on for the win now but I have seen enough already to say this series is a long way from being done and dusted.
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87-2 can easily turn to 100-3 and then 220ish a.o...and that too if stokes , Bristow get 40 or 50.
Cook fought hard and played well but could have fallen on about 3 other occasions.
These are still not the spitting cobra pitches so far in the series....
540 deliveries to survive for Eng tomm. It's still possible to draw the game.
Ind would love to get Root early tomm....but even if he bats on the other end is open .
Cook fought hard and played well but could have fallen on about 3 other occasions.
These are still not the spitting cobra pitches so far in the series....
540 deliveries to survive for Eng tomm. It's still possible to draw the game.
Ind would love to get Root early tomm....but even if he bats on the other end is open .
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KP_fan wrote:87-2 can easily turn to 100-3 and then 220ish a.o...and that too if stokes , Bristow get 40 or 50.
Cook fought hard and played well but could have fallen on about 3 other occasions.
These are still not the spitting cobra pitches so far in the series....
540 deliveries to survive for Eng tomm. It's still possible to draw the game.
Ind would love to get Root early tomm....but even if he bats on the other end is open .
Totally agree. The draw now looks hard to achieve as surely the pitch will get increasingly difficult to bat on.
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Excellent fight shown by England. Terrific from Hameed, and the ball that he got eventually, absolutely nothing could have been done about it. Cook rode his luck a bit, eventually it ran out, and that too at a very inopportune moment.
How would England go about this tomorrow? Rather than batting out the overs for a draw, think they should go for the target now, 317 in a day's batting. They are not very likely to succeed, but the rest of their lineup, other than Ali perhaps, and may be Bairstow, are the type of players who can play the Faf du Plessis hand in the middle order. Root played a special innings wherein he took his time on a low and slow track in his debut test, and he can change the tempo of his innings to suit the situation. But he really will have to work hard on the temperamental side of things to played a sustained innings in that pattern. Not sure Stokes is that type of player. Even Ali, who did it against Sri Lanka from an even trickier situation, might just struggle to replicate the same on a track with variable bounce, and slow yet unpredictable turn.
India will have to keep believing, they did it against South Africa in Delhi. South Africa are a better side at this Blockathons, they in fact are the masters of the same, and eventually Kohli's men managed to break through their resistance with a lot of hard work and patience. They should do much more of the same tomorrow.
How would England go about this tomorrow? Rather than batting out the overs for a draw, think they should go for the target now, 317 in a day's batting. They are not very likely to succeed, but the rest of their lineup, other than Ali perhaps, and may be Bairstow, are the type of players who can play the Faf du Plessis hand in the middle order. Root played a special innings wherein he took his time on a low and slow track in his debut test, and he can change the tempo of his innings to suit the situation. But he really will have to work hard on the temperamental side of things to played a sustained innings in that pattern. Not sure Stokes is that type of player. Even Ali, who did it against Sri Lanka from an even trickier situation, might just struggle to replicate the same on a track with variable bounce, and slow yet unpredictable turn.
India will have to keep believing, they did it against South Africa in Delhi. South Africa are a better side at this Blockathons, they in fact are the masters of the same, and eventually Kohli's men managed to break through their resistance with a lot of hard work and patience. They should do much more of the same tomorrow.
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After the end of play, Nick Knight on Sky gave England a 25% chance of saving the game. I thought that was ludicrously high. So too did Rob Key judging by his reaction as he noticeably winced. Mind you, I still considered Key's 10% chance as much too optimistic.
Unlike msp, there was no consideration of England going for the win.
My own view is that we are pretty much doomed. To get back in with a chance of safety, I feel Root and (presumably) Duckett will need to get us to lunch with no more losses. Particularly as the ball seems to be increasingly misbehaving and keeping low, I can't see that happening.
It'll be annoying to go 1-0 down in this series. Generally, we've fought hard and about matched our hosts ... bar that dreadful final session on day 2. However, we can't expect to get away with playing catch up at the top level and especially in India.
Unlike msp, there was no consideration of England going for the win.
My own view is that we are pretty much doomed. To get back in with a chance of safety, I feel Root and (presumably) Duckett will need to get us to lunch with no more losses. Particularly as the ball seems to be increasingly misbehaving and keeping low, I can't see that happening.
It'll be annoying to go 1-0 down in this series. Generally, we've fought hard and about matched our hosts ... bar that dreadful final session on day 2. However, we can't expect to get away with playing catch up at the top level and especially in India.
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I don't think England would actively go after the target tomorrow. What I am trying to say is that they will have to find better methods than blockathon as they don't have the players to execute a blockathon that well, perhaps other than Root.......
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I suspect guildford and his pretty much zero % chance is closer to the mark than Nick Knight
Was a good , determined all day effort from England ; but that one awful session on day two effectively settled this match and barring a minor miracle the end will come some time on Monday. Cook's dismissal right on end of day was a bitter blow as he can play the barnacle better than any other in this team - though the extremely promising youngster with whom he now opens is showing similar talents : Hameed grows with each innings.
Pitch hasn't become a total minefield (yet) but balls like the one that did for Hameed are probably going to ensure survival on day five will be a real battle. Think msp is correct in that England need to avoid total defence - actually a pity that the Indian last pair added that 40 runs as a target of , say , another 260 on the last day instead of the 318 they need would have the dual effect of giving them a feasible aim and tempering Kohli's ability to attack with men round the bat for long periods.
A good Test Match - I hope England can make it a real contest on this last day rather than collapse in a heap. But I do expect an Indian win ; which will be only what they deserve as they have played this game very well throughout.
Was a good , determined all day effort from England ; but that one awful session on day two effectively settled this match and barring a minor miracle the end will come some time on Monday. Cook's dismissal right on end of day was a bitter blow as he can play the barnacle better than any other in this team - though the extremely promising youngster with whom he now opens is showing similar talents : Hameed grows with each innings.
Pitch hasn't become a total minefield (yet) but balls like the one that did for Hameed are probably going to ensure survival on day five will be a real battle. Think msp is correct in that England need to avoid total defence - actually a pity that the Indian last pair added that 40 runs as a target of , say , another 260 on the last day instead of the 318 they need would have the dual effect of giving them a feasible aim and tempering Kohli's ability to attack with men round the bat for long periods.
A good Test Match - I hope England can make it a real contest on this last day rather than collapse in a heap. But I do expect an Indian win ; which will be only what they deserve as they have played this game very well throughout.
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Yadav has broken through Stokes...who I felt, who I felt had frozen into a shell.....and lost his feet movement a bit....
3 wickets in a hour and 20 min.......Root has been beaten half a dozen times and dropped once
One more will go before lunch atleast... and all over before tea I feel
3 wickets in a hour and 20 min.......Root has been beaten half a dozen times and dropped once
One more will go before lunch atleast... and all over before tea I feel
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and a great over from Shami......beat Root 3 times that over and then had him......wasted review by Eng when it looked plumb and turned out to be plumb
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KP_fan wrote:and a great over from Shami......beat Root 3 times that over and then had him......wasted review by Eng when it looked plumb and turned out to be plumb
Is it a wasted review when we know that once Root was out the tiniest hope left is gone?
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shami getting prominent reverse and at good speed
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So that first session went pretty well for India, effectively settling the match. And they have started the next one pretty well as well, as Ashwin cleans up Ansari.......
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If there is one criticism of Kohli's captaincy, it is that he tended to underbowl his quicks, particularly Shami. Shami is growing into that type of bowler who can find something on most tracks. In conditions where Broad and Anderson could find plenty, Shami has to be expected to do the same. Of course he was in action late in the first session and did his job, but even yesterday and early today, Virat could have used him and may be even Umesh a bit more......
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