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Post by wayne on Tue 15 Nov 2016, 10:06 am

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WALES v JAPAN
19 November 2016
KO: 14:30
Principality Stadium, Cardiff

Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa)
Assistant referees: John Lacey (Ireland), Craig Maxwell-Keys (England)
Television match official: Eric Gauzins (France)
Assessor: Bryce Lawrence (New Zealand)

Wales played 9 Won 8 Lost 1

Wales: Liam Williams; Halfpenny J Davies, Roberts, Cuthbert; Anscombe, Lloyd Williams; Smith, Baldwin, Lee, Hill, Alun Wyn Jones, Lydiate, Warburton (capt), King.

Replacements: Dacey, Gill, Andrews, Ball, Moriarty, G Davies, S Davies, Giles.

Japan: Matsushima, Yamada, Lafaele, Tatekawa, Fukuoka, Tamura, Tanaka; Nakatani, Horie, Hatakeyama, Kajikawa, Anise, Ilaua, Nunomaki, Mafi

Replacements: Hino, Yamamoto, Ito, Helu, Matsuhashi, Mimura, Uchida, Lotoahea

This is a potential banana skin game for us, IMO we cannot treat Japan with contempt and select a completely different team from last weekend, we should try to bed in a couple of alternatives to our first choices in crucial positions.

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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:32 pm

mckay1402 wrote:I thought king had a decent half.  he's not moriarty but he's put a bit of pace on the ball and got going forward

but what we need is a wrecking ball to attack around the breakdown not warming the bench

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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:35 pm

forced to take points v an average japan….c'mon Japan!!!!!!!

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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:39 pm

Italy are 20 - 18 up against SA with 10 to go.

Wales v SA could be a drunk hobo fight
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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:40 pm

Gwlad wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:I thought king had a decent half.  he's not moriarty but he's put a bit of pace on the ball and got going forward

but what we need is a wrecking ball to attack around the breakdown not warming the bench

Agree. he has made some ground attacking off a dominant scrum, but nothing much else. Baldwin is making more ground
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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:40 pm

Crepe box kicking
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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:42 pm

this reminds me of Gareth Jenkins Wales
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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:44 pm

mckay1402 wrote:this reminds me of Gareth Jenkins Wales

yeah i'd agree, witless, naive and with no intensity.

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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:45 pm

AWJ saves us all! He's our deadliest back
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Post by uncle_nigel on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:45 pm

We've seen this before, we see it every year, and it's always against a team like Tonga, Fiji and now Japan it seems!

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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:47 pm

Oh dear, Gareth Davies has not had a good few minutes off the bench
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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:48 pm

Oh dear.
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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:48 pm

That try proves the problem

They go route 1 and attack the breakdown channel straight after half time. Shows they can't see what is in front of them and need the coaches to point it out. Why aren't Sam or Lydiate or AWJ pouting this out?

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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:48 pm

uncle_nigel wrote:We've seen this before, we see it every year, and it's always against a team like Tonga, Fiji and now Japan it seems!

Those teams don't generally have this much experience though
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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:49 pm

Frak unbelievable

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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:50 pm

Looks like Italy are about to beat South Africa
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Post by Shifty on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:50 pm

God were garbage... Sad
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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:53 pm

Subs please
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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:55 pm

We're just played out, we've played the same way for so long we no longer know how to play whats in front of us.

I really want Japan to win now so that Howley has to go.

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Post by Shifty on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:55 pm

20-18 win for italy over south africa, cool Smile
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Post by uncle_nigel on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:55 pm

wales606 wrote:
uncle_nigel wrote:We've seen this before, we see it every year, and it's always against a team like Tonga, Fiji and now Japan it seems!

Those teams don't generally have this much experience though

I believe a Griff posted a team line-up earlier, it was a very experienced one as far as I could tell. I remember seeing a fairly good team against Tonga this one time, and also against Samoa though this one was quite a few years back. I am not quite sure what the issue is but it's happening every year now. I have to admit that SH ref's don't help because they will not rightly reward set-piece dominance.


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Post by uncle_nigel on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:56 pm

Shifty wrote:20-18 win for italy over south africa, cool Smile

Wow, great result for Italy! But as Wales are this bad and SA are hurting, I can only see one result in our next fixture - especially with this coaching staff. This year we might be the only team in the top 10 with a worse coach than SA.

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Post by uncle_nigel on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:59 pm

Gwlad wrote:We're just played out, we've played the same way for so long we no longer know how to play whats in front of us.

I really want Japan to win now so that Howley has to go.

Losing 5 games in a row and playing unattractive rubgy wasn't enough to get Howley fired before. Neither was overseeing the first ever loss to Japan enough for them to show McBryde the door. It's very depressing and I see now why fans don't want to pay to go and watch Wales in a live game.

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Post by Shifty on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:00 pm

With Ireland and England home, and Scotland, Italy and France away, you'd have to say Wales are on for bottom place in the Six nations. We'll be lucky to avoid the whitewash based on the poor efforts of our players. It's like time warping back to the 90's.
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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:01 pm

if I was howler I'd drop the lot and play the under 20s against south Africa
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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:02 pm

uncle_nigel wrote:
Gwlad wrote:We're just played out, we've played the same way for so long we no longer know how to play whats in front of us.

I really want Japan to win now so that Howley has to go.

Losing 5 games in a row and playing unattractive rubgy wasn't enough to get Howley fired before. Neither was overseeing the first ever loss to Japan enough for them to show McBryde the door. It's very depressing and I see now why fans don't want to pay to go and watch Wales in a live game.

In fairness to McBryde, that was a Welsh team while 10 were away with the Lions and another 10 were rested or injured.
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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:02 pm

mckay1402 wrote:if I was howler I'd drop the lot and play the under 20s against south Africa

If i was howler i'd quit

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Post by rumpelstiltskindoh on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:03 pm

diabolical. our players look as though they have no idea what to do

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Post by uncle_nigel on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:06 pm

wales606 wrote:
uncle_nigel wrote:
Gwlad wrote:We're just played out, we've played the same way for so long we no longer know how to play whats in front of us.

I really want Japan to win now so that Howley has to go.

Losing 5 games in a row and playing unattractive rubgy wasn't enough to get Howley fired before. Neither was overseeing the first ever loss to Japan enough for them to show McBryde the door. It's very depressing and I see now why fans don't want to pay to go and watch Wales in a live game.

In fairness to McBryde, that was a Welsh team while 10 were away with the Lions and another 10 were rested or injured.

From what I remember Wales606, McBryde selected the team and opted to leave some experienced players at home when they were really needed. He opted for Welsh premiership players instead so for me, there is no in fairness to McBryde. A lot of seasons we've had a wobbly set piece and I can't quite figure why he was hired in the first place.

In the mean team England are trouncing Fiji and scoring lots of tries.

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Post by Shifty on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:08 pm

wales606 wrote:In fairness to McBryde, that was a Welsh team while 10 were away with the Lions and another 10 were rested or injured.

In fairness nothing... Mcbryde left the second team at home and took the third team. He left so many players behind like Ryan, Duncan Jones, Henson, etc and took a load of kids and new caps, many of which had no chance of ever establishing themselves as internationals.

Hell Spratt was 27 and getting his first cap and he was a reserve who barely played for the Ospreys. While they took and capped a 17 year old winger from Neath! Wales gave away cheap caps to undeserving players.
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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:09 pm

they've deserved this
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Post by Shifty on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:09 pm

Why the hell do we just keep kicking the ball long and giving it right back to them. Whats the point?
Anyone would think the damn ball was on fire the way we seem to want the Japanease to have it.
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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:11 pm

Disgusting

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Post by mckay1402 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:11 pm

Wales aren't trying to win. they're trying not to lose
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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:12 pm

Dire.

Sack Howley, McBride and Edwards

Drop Cuthbert

Drop anyone whose form drops so badly.

Bring in some new blood.

Rebuild. This team can't adapt, so get a new one.
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Post by rumpelstiltskindoh on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:14 pm

i dont know whether to laugh or cry

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Post by Guest on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:14 pm

How did Cuthbert lose that!

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:15 pm

Cuthbert looks mentally drained.

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Post by Shifty on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:15 pm

Cuthbert is such a fúcking numpty I'm totally lost for words... mad
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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:15 pm

Munchkin wrote:How did Cuthbert lose that!

That's how
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Post by whocares on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:15 pm

What's the score lads?

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Post by Gwlad on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:15 pm

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Post by Maine man on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:16 pm

As my old man used to say "Cuthbert has hands like pi$$ flaps"

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Post by rumpelstiltskindoh on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:17 pm

so incredibly slow moving the ball from the ruck

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Post by uncle_nigel on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:18 pm

rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:so incredibly slow moving the ball from the ruck

That'll be Lloyd Williams then?

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Post by Guest on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:18 pm

Wales win by the skin of their teeth.

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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:18 pm

Maybe this was all just drop goal practise?

Sam Davies saves the day.

Keep Gatland. Bring in new coaches under him.
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Post by rumpelstiltskindoh on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:18 pm

that was a fiasco

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Post by uncle_nigel on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:18 pm

Very glad I've missed today's match by the way, I come on here to receive updates. I've decided not to watch it when I get home. I will watch and most likely enjoy Ireland beating up New Zealand again.

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Post by wales606 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:19 pm

uncle_nigel wrote:
rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:so incredibly slow moving the ball from the ruck

That'll be Lloyd Williams then?

Doubt it unless he has managed it from the bench?
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Post by rumpelstiltskindoh on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 4:19 pm

uncle_nigel wrote:
rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:so incredibly slow moving the ball from the ruck

That'll be Lloyd Williams then?

amazingly - no. gareth davies apparently is being coached to play like Lloyd

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