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Post by George Carlin on Mon 21 Nov 2016, 7:06 pm

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ENGLAND v ARGENTINA
26 November 2016
14:30 GMT (UTC+0)
Twickenham Stadium, London

Live on Sky Sports 1

Referee: Pascal Gauzère (France)
Assistant Referees: Marius Mitrea (Italy), Ian Davies (Wales)
TMO: Gareth Simmonds (Wales)

A. Head to Head

19 Played 19
14 Won 4
1 Drawn 1
4 Lost 14
488 Points 282

B. Recent Form

9 November 2013
Twickenham, London
31 – 12 to England

15 June 2013
Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires
26 – 51 to England

8 June 2013
Estadio Padre Ernesto Martearena, Salta
3 – 32 to England

10 September 2011
Otago Stadium, Dunedin, New Zealand
13 – 9 to England

14 November 2009
Twickenham, London
16 – 9 to England

13 June 2009
Padre Ernesto Martearena, Salta
24 – 22 to Argentina

6 June 2009
Old Trafford, Manchester
37 – 15 to England

11 November 2006
Twickenham, London
18 – 25 to Argentina

C. Teams

ENGLAND 
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15 Mike Brown, 14 Jonny May, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Owen Farrell, 11 Elliot Daly, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Tom Wood, 6 Chris Robshaw, 5 George Kruis, 4 Courtney Lawes, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Dylan Hartley (c), 1 Mako Vunipola

Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Joe Marler, 18 Kyle Sinckler, 19 Charlie Ewels, 20 Teimana Harrison,, 21 Danny Care, 22 Ben Te’o, 23 Henry Slade

ARGENTINA
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15 Joaquín Tuculet, 14 Matías Orlando, 13 Matías Moroni, 12 Santiago González Iglesias, 11 Santiago Cordero, 10 Juan Martín Hernández, 9 Tomás Cubelli, 8 Leonardo Senatore, 7 Javier Ortega Desio, 6 Pablo Matera, 5 Matías Alemanno, 4 Guido Petti, 3 Ramiro Herrera, 2 Agustín Creevy (c), 1 Lucas Noguera

Replacements: 16 Julián Montoya, 17 Santiago García Botta, 18 Enrique Pieretto, 19 Facundo Isa, 20 Tomas Lezana, 21 Martin Landajo, 22 Jerónimo De la Fuente, 23 Juan Pablo Estelles


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Post by GeordieFalcon on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 4:32 pm

Hence why hes not in the squad.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 4:33 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:We shouldn't be rushing anyone back Carlos.

Manu, Billy....I wouldn't have rushed Kruis back (despite him playing very well)

Whilst I like Eddie keeping a selection consistency, we have numerous players which means players should not be risked.

For Billy, we have Nathan Hughes (pretty inexperienced at this level, but a beast) and Ben Morgan who we know has played some great games for England.

No need to rush him.

I agree that players shouldn't be rushed, GF. With the ridiculous schedules now and in place and sheer power and frequency of collisions in the modern game the days of players 'only playing if 100%' have passed though. Players are patched up and thrown back out on the field.

I don't agree with it in the slightest. In fact I detest it. Fewer matches played overall and a higher quality of match when played would be far better. Injuries and burnout would be less frequent, which in turn would mean getting the best players on the pitch and more often playing at their best when there.

The modern schedule doesn't allow it though.

Thankfully for Billy the depth and structure that Sarries have is more likely to mean he gets a better break than many would.

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Post by robbo277 on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 9:42 pm

I play amateur rugby, and I rarely fill at 100% each week I play. I know the pro's will be in many times better condition, but the hits will also be harder by the same factor. I don't think it's possible in such an attritional game to be 100% each week, unless you get a week off or only play a small part in a game.

I think there has to be a level, and you can definitely play through certain pain barriers. However, I think when you are returning from an injury such as knee cartilage, you need to take your time and ensure the knee is fully healed.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue 29 Nov 2016, 9:06 am

I don't think they'll be 100% I just think being rushed straight back after an operation etc needs to be considered carefully.

And for those with long term problems like Manu....its needs to be VERY careful and cautious....

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