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Post by Crimey on Sun 06 Nov 2016, 3:39 pm

First topic message reminder :

Also, considering mine and pretty much everybody's doubts Mane has been a fantastic signing.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 1:23 pm

Jermaine2015 wrote:
Crimey wrote:
Jermaine2015 wrote:Think you'll find FC Bayern buried Klopp at Wembley stadium...

Klopp aside from the two German league titles and one German cup, he's a serial loser. Iirc he's lost 5/6 finals in a row.

So aside from all the times he has won, he's a loser...

He's never managed a side expected to win anything to be fair. Which of those finals he reached were the team he was with the favourite?
His BVB side was favoured over FC Bayern the two years he won the league. Also they where the favourites going into the Wembley final. But his crap tactics meant they lost. Liverpool where bookies favourites to beat Sevilla

Come on, you can't actually believe that Dortmund were favourites in any of those instances? Bayern had got to the Champions League final in 2010, 2012 and then 2013 before beating Dortmund. Yet Dortmund were favourites? 

Liverpool were bookies favourites, but they shouldn't have been. Sevilla had won the trophy the previous two years and were generally performing much better.

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Post by GSC on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 1:26 pm

Jermaine is throwing some bait out there but I do agree Klopp is more than a tad overrated at this point.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 5:23 pm

He's done and doing a pretty good job, so not sure what the issue is here.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 24 Apr 2017, 8:15 pm

Jermaine2015 wrote:Think you'll find FC Bayern buried Klopp at Wembley stadium...

Klopp aside from the two German league titles and one German cup, he's a serial loser. Iirc he's lost 5/6 finals in a row.

If you can't beat them buy them seems to be the Bayern Munich motto.

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Post by Ent on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 12:29 pm

That Liverpool squad is pretty poor overall, think Klopp is doing well with them.

He is a top manager just below the tier of elite managers.

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Post by GSC on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 1:20 pm

Is it really pretty poor overall?
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Post by Ent on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 2:06 pm

I'd say so.

Goalkeepers - poor
Full back - clyne aside poor
centre back - average at best
centre midfield - average
wingers - do they have any?
forward/wide forward - pretty strong in this department with Coutinho and Mane

Think 3rd would be an overachievement with that squad.

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Post by GSC on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 2:09 pm

Wingers do they have any
Wide forwards pretty strong.

Might be a clue in there somewhere.

That Klopp neglected his defense last summer supposed to be in his favour now?
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Post by Crimey on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 2:51 pm

Most people before the season started would have predicted Liverpool to do worse than this, not sure this can be considered a bad job from Klopp.

Poor run throughout the busiest part of the season stopped this season being considered a pretty good season.

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Post by Guest on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 3:38 pm

Doesn't Klopp's Liverpool have the best record in the top six premiership mini-league so far?  It's against sides that sit in and don't attack he has difficulty with.

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Post by Ent on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 3:49 pm

GSC wrote:Wingers do they have any
Wide forwards pretty strong.

Might be a clue in there somewhere.

That Klopp neglected his defense last summer supposed to be in his favour now?

Not the same position.

He bought some defenders I'm sure, they've haven't been up to much.

Hard getting good defenders, look at the money going for the likes of Stones, Luiz.


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Post by Crimey on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 3:53 pm

Ent wrote:
GSC wrote:Wingers do they have any
Wide forwards pretty strong.

Might be a clue in there somewhere.

That Klopp neglected his defense last summer supposed to be in his favour now?

Not the same position.

He bought some defenders I'm sure, they've haven't been up to much.

Hard getting good defenders, look at the money going for the likes of Stones, Luiz.



Problem is Matip and Lovren keep getting injured separately to each other so we're never playing with first choice back four.

Games when Clyne/Matip/Lovren/Milner have played Liverpool have been defensively solid.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 4:18 pm

Crimey wrote:
Ent wrote:
GSC wrote:Wingers do they have any
Wide forwards pretty strong.

Might be a clue in there somewhere.

That Klopp neglected his defense last summer supposed to be in his favour now?

Not the same position.

He bought some defenders I'm sure, they've haven't been up to much.

Hard getting good defenders, look at the money going for the likes of Stones, Luiz.



Problem is Matip and Lovren keep getting injured separately to each other so we're never playing with first choice back four.

Games when Clyne/Matip/Lovren/Milner have played Liverpool have been defensively solid.

Did I dream the game this past weekend?

You can carry on pretending that's a solid defence - but in the real world it's nowhere near good enough.
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Post by Crimey on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 4:21 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Crimey wrote:
Ent wrote:
GSC wrote:Wingers do they have any
Wide forwards pretty strong.

Might be a clue in there somewhere.

That Klopp neglected his defense last summer supposed to be in his favour now?

Not the same position.

He bought some defenders I'm sure, they've haven't been up to much.

Hard getting good defenders, look at the money going for the likes of Stones, Luiz.



Problem is Matip and Lovren keep getting injured separately to each other so we're never playing with first choice back four.

Games when Clyne/Matip/Lovren/Milner have played Liverpool have been defensively solid.

Did I dream the game this past weekend?

You can carry on pretending that's a solid defence - but in the real world it's nowhere near good enough.

Spurs (A) 1-1
Chelsea (A) 1-2
Swansea (A) 1-2
Manchester United (H) 0-0
West Brom (H) 2-1
Crystal Palace (A) 2-4
Southampton (A) 0-0
Sunderland (H) 2-0
West Ham (H) 2-2
Chelsea (H) 1-1
Everton (H) 3-1
Stoke City (A) 1-2
West Brom (A) 0-1


Until weekend's result, look pretty good to me. That was the first time they had lost and 4 clean sheets. 

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Post by Just John on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:31 pm

Chelsea 4-2 Southampton

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Post by Crimey on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 10:25 pm

Tottenham Hotspur will be disappointed, Southampton are a good side that could have forced Chelsea to drop points. 

Chelsea have five games left and of the team they have to face, realistically you'd only expect Everton to be able to take points off of them now. 

Even if Tottenham win every game and that's a huge if considered their opponents, Chelsea would still have to drop 5 points for them to have a chance.

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Post by Ent on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 11:03 pm

Southampton played pretty well, Chelsea were incisive at important times. Costa's second goal was wonderful.

Think Spurs needed to win the cup tie to get Chelsea nervous.

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Post by Crimey on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:17 am

West Ham (and Newcastle) have been raided in a HMRC probe.

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Post by Scott is Back on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:19 am

Crimey wrote:West Ham (and Newcastle) have been raided in a HMRC probe.

Be interesting to hear how this one is defended....

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Post by GSC on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:20 am

The Daves and Mike Ashley involved in a tax scam

Who could have predicted that
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Post by dyrewolfe on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 10:48 am

I dunno how Hammers fans feel about their owners, but that will certainly add more fuel to bonfire the "Ashley Out" brigade so desperately want to put him on (along with the rest of the "Cockney Mafia").
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Post by Beer on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:13 am

dyrewolfe wrote:I dunno how Hammers fans feel about their owners, but that will certainly add more fuel to bonfire the "Ashley Out" brigade so desperately want to put him on (along with the rest of the "Cockney Mafia").

If Ashley is involved at all, of course.

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Post by Scott is Back on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:15 am

Beer wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:I dunno how Hammers fans feel about their owners, but that will certainly add more fuel to bonfire the "Ashley Out" brigade so desperately want to put him on (along with the rest of the "Cockney Mafia").

If Ashley is involved at all, of course.

Probably in the back office spaffing into some 70% off Donnay Socks

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Post by Crimey on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:16 am

Scott is Back wrote:
Beer wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:I dunno how Hammers fans feel about their owners, but that will certainly add more fuel to bonfire the "Ashley Out" brigade so desperately want to put him on (along with the rest of the "Cockney Mafia").

If Ashley is involved at all, of course.

Probably in the back office spaffing into some 70% off Donnay Socks

Before drinking from his giant mug?

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Post by Beer on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:17 am

Crimey wrote:
Scott is Back wrote:
Beer wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:I dunno how Hammers fans feel about their owners, but that will certainly add more fuel to bonfire the "Ashley Out" brigade so desperately want to put him on (along with the rest of the "Cockney Mafia").

If Ashley is involved at all, of course.

Probably in the back office spaffing into some 70% off Donnay Socks

Before drinking from his giant mug?

Unfortunately, the socks were Slazenger.

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Post by Scott is Back on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:18 am

Crimey wrote:
Scott is Back wrote:
Beer wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:I dunno how Hammers fans feel about their owners, but that will certainly add more fuel to bonfire the "Ashley Out" brigade so desperately want to put him on (along with the rest of the "Cockney Mafia").

If Ashley is involved at all, of course.

Probably in the back office spaffing into some 70% off Donnay Socks

Before drinking from his giant mug?

And doing all his financial business on a giant calculator!

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Post by Scott is Back on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:18 am

Beer wrote:
Crimey wrote:
Scott is Back wrote:
Beer wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:I dunno how Hammers fans feel about their owners, but that will certainly add more fuel to bonfire the "Ashley Out" brigade so desperately want to put him on (along with the rest of the "Cockney Mafia").

If Ashley is involved at all, of course.

Probably in the back office spaffing into some 70% off Donnay Socks

Before drinking from his giant mug?

Unfortunately, the socks were Slazenger.

Maybe he is bi-sock-sual

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Post by Beer on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:22 am

Scott is Back wrote:
Beer wrote:
Crimey wrote:
Scott is Back wrote:
Beer wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:I dunno how Hammers fans feel about their owners, but that will certainly add more fuel to bonfire the "Ashley Out" brigade so desperately want to put him on (along with the rest of the "Cockney Mafia").

If Ashley is involved at all, of course.

Probably in the back office spaffing into some 70% off Donnay Socks

Before drinking from his giant mug?

Unfortunately, the socks were Slazenger.

Maybe he is bi-sock-sual

clap clap

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Post by Scott is Back on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 11:48 am

Crimey wrote:West Ham (and Newcastle) have been raided in a HMRC probe.

Wheres Dolph when you need him to blame Man Utd for turning up late?

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 12:27 pm

I hate them and hope it's as bad as Sullivan's last tax evasion scheme, but this time he gets caught out.

He'll claim it's how they "saved" us, I'm sure.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 12:49 pm

Unsurprised to see links to the former board of Marseille. Both clubs have been involved with them.

We've had dodginess all over us with certain agent links, certainly had issues under Allardyce with players being pressured into signing with certain agents.

Further to that, Sullivan has been suspicious with his dealings in France, overly focused on their market.

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Post by GSC on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:05 pm

Joey Barton banned for 18 months.
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Post by Crimey on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:13 pm

Career over. 

At least at the highest level.

This includes any football related activity, so should stop people picking him up as a pundit.

Rumours are it was going to be a lifetime ban, but Barton argued it down.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:24 pm

How can you ban someone from being a pundit?

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:39 pm

Nice to remember that Sullivan and Brady have both been arrested (no charges brought) over tax issues at Birmingham in the past.

Talk is that clubs have used image rights to forego tax fees.


No income tax, no VAT

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Post by dyrewolfe on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:39 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:How can you ban someone from being a pundit?

Presumably the same way you ban them from being a manager, agent or anything else. In fact it should be easier with a pundit's job as you have to appear on TV and/or radio, so you're a lot easier to catch red-handed.

Don't feel too bad for him. He can always buy a pub or a racehorse, or start his own fashion label. Wink
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:39 pm

If Andy Gray is still a pundit, I'm sure Joey will still have that open to him
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:40 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:How can you ban someone from being a pundit?

Presumably the same way you ban them from being a manager, agent or anything else. In fact it should be easier with a pundit's job as you have to appear on TV and/or radio, so you're a lot easier to catch red-handed.

Don't feel too bad for him. He can always buy a pub or a racehorse, or start his own fashion label. Wink

I don't think the FA can control who Sky/BT/BBC hire. Football related must be anything under their 'jurisdiction' - anything at a football club or in a football authority, one would presume.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:41 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Nice to remember that Sullivan and Brady have both been arrested (no charges brought) over tax issues at Birmingham in the past.

Talk is that clubs have used image rights to forego tax fees.


No income tax, no VAT

No money back, no guarantee...

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Post by GSC on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:41 pm

While Barton is obviously a pillock, he does raise some decent points about football's dependence on gambling and the effect of that on someone with addiction issues
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Post by Scott is Back on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:46 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Nice to remember that Sullivan and Brady have both been arrested (no charges brought) over tax issues at Birmingham in the past.

Talk is that clubs have used image rights to forego tax fees.


No income tax, no VAT

Im sure they will have to Payet back! thumbsup Tumbleweed

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Post by dyrewolfe on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 1:47 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:How can you ban someone from being a pundit?

Presumably the same way you ban them from being a manager, agent or anything else. In fact it should be easier with a pundit's job as you have to appear on TV and/or radio, so you're a lot easier to catch red-handed.

Don't feel too bad for him. He can always buy a pub or a racehorse, or start his own fashion label. Wink

I don't think the FA can control who Sky/BT/BBC hire. Football related must be anything under their 'jurisdiction' - anything at a football club or in a football authority, one would presume.

Well assuming you can be banned from working as an agent (who I wouldn't have thought came under FA jurisdiction), maybe there is some legal arrangement, sort of like a suspended sentence, where you have to agree not to seek employment in certain lines of work, in return for not receiving a harsher punishment?

I could, of course, be talking out of my backside here...

(nothing new there)
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Post by Scott is Back on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 2:06 pm

GSC wrote:Joey Barton banned for 18 months.

What were the odd's on that happening!

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Post by Fernando on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 2:13 pm

Chelsea now dragged into the HMRC stuff.

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Post by GSC on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 2:14 pm

I'd be worried about us if we weren't dragged in front of them every 2 months anyway
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 2:16 pm

Apparently been at Chelsea too.

Bought Batshauyi from...Marseille.

They are where this is coming from

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Post by Beer on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 2:17 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Nice to remember that Sullivan and Brady have both been arrested (no charges brought) over tax issues at Birmingham in the past.

Talk is that clubs have used image rights to forego tax fees.


No income tax, no VAT

If that's the case, then they are just exploiting a loophole used by Players.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 2:21 pm

Just gonna copy something from a west ham forum that is interesting.

On someone saying £5m (a figure discussed as being related to us fraudulently) isn't a lot of money

Smart fella wrote:
As a tax professional I beg to differ. The current HMRC investigation into image rights for example would run into large multiples of that. The argument on image rights is clouded by the fact that there's no such specific thing in UK Tax Law but should there be any settlement due one would normally deal with it by way of a negotiated settlement to include tax interest and penalties rather than wading in with criminal proceedings.

However, sending in the Met gets more headlines than simply turning up with men in suits and the HMRC statement - which sails perilously close to contempt of court IMO - shows that this is all about making a point at the moment.

After all the last time they did similar raids involving the police, plod took a quick look at the documents and then stepped away on the grounds that it was all about tax and not fraud!

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Post by Crimey on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 2:35 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Apparently been at Chelsea too.

Bought Batshauyi from...Marseille.

They are where this is coming from

Would explain why he's basically not been played even when Costa was injured.

Any other players come from Marseille to England recently?

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Post by President Trump on Wed 26 Apr 2017, 2:39 pm

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