Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

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Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 9:22 am

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Saints seem to have been on the decline for the last two to three years, I know they have won a AP title but I suspect that that was just a bad year all round for AP clubs, they haven't looked convincing for at least three years. This season is the worst since they were relegated, clueless, headless chickens running around not knowing what the rest are doing, no cohesion, no tactical plan; that they can make work anyway.

Despite bringing in a host of new players, from memory; Beasley, Bennett, Brookes, Estelles, Hanrahan, Groom, Gibson, Kessel, Ma'afu, Picamoles, Ratuniyarawa, Tuala, Tuitavake only Brookes and Picamoles have established themselves as first choice, Gibson is an exception with Wood, Harrison, Clark etc. to contest the 6/7 shirt. Ma'afu and Tuala get bench spots along with Groom. They are spending fortunes on wages for players that are not getting any game time, why? Estelles was playing for Argentina on Saturday, but cant make the Saints bench, never mind the team.

Groom is well ahead of Dickson these days, but still plays second fiddle, Burrell is a much better 13 than 12 and ahead of Pisi, PH is a much better 12 than Burrell, but we still get the old formation of Burrell and Pisi.

Long term injuries to Clark, Stephenson, Foden haven't helped but they are not at the heart of the problem.

The management seems to have a mistrust of youth, Mallinder junior seems to have a problem getting into the side, with his father preferring the stodge of Burrell and Pisi, despite the world and his dog believing PH is the next best thing to sliced bread. Where is the next Alex Waller, Prince Harry, Teimana Harrison coming from, despite massive injury problems and international call ups we still do not play any of the younger Senior Academy players, preferring to play Patterson at 6 to say Bennett or Ludlam. The lack of energy and cohesion showed and we got what we deserved against the 3rd worst side in the premiership ( Bristol, then us on that performance and Falcons). Is it that the younger players just are just not good enough, if not, why do we retain them. If they are but have yet to fulfil their promise, put the money wasted on players that do not play into developing the youth into the players they believe them capable of being. Players like Alex Moon are potential monsters for Saints in the future, but do not seem to be getting the development chances they deserve

Since the sacking of King, the backs have looked lost and clueless, why sack someone you have no replacement for, sounds very much like JM is trying to shift the blame away from where it belongs. He picks the sides and directs how he wants the game to be played and his thinking has been muddled at best, very much on the lines of Bomber Lancaster I think he has taken the side as far as he can. The game he wants to play is old fashioned, the modern game has moved on and he has failed to move with it; see Eddie Jones England or Ireland's style of play.

The thing I find ridiculous is that Saints used to play that AB style game, the forwards were streets ahead of most sides when it came to ball handling skills, all players fitted into the line seamlessly. The likes of the Waller brothers, Lawes, Day, Dickinson, Haywood, all could match the backs on ball handling and still do the hard grind in the pack. We just don't use these skills anymore.

Am I the only one who feels like this?


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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 11:55 am

doctor_grey wrote:Saints still look poopie.

Judging by the amount of balls they are dropping, wet and slippery poopie.

The basics that they used to pride themselves on seem to have been lost somewhere along the line.

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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by doctor_grey on Wed 11 Jan 2017, 12:13 am

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Saints still look poopie.

Judging by the amount of balls they are dropping, wet and slippery poopie.

The basics that they used to pride themselves on seem to have been lost somewhere along the line.
That's a great point. It is really the basics which are the problem. Ho does that happen to seasoned professionals?

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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by LondonTiger on Wed 11 Jan 2017, 9:49 am

I suspect that rather than the basic skills suddenly letting them down it is more a case of them never having been good enough in the first place to withstand execution under pressure. So we see teams that execute their skills really well when they are on the front foot, or in teh lead, but then struggle when on the back foot, chasing a game or in inclement weather.

We see this all the time at WR.

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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by doctor_grey on Wed 11 Jan 2017, 6:39 pm

LondonTiger wrote:I suspect that rather than the basic skills suddenly letting them down it is more a case of them never having been good enough in the first place to withstand execution under pressure. So we see teams that execute their skills really well when they are on the front foot, or in teh lead, but then struggle when on the back foot, chasing a game or in inclement weather.

We see this all the time at WR.
But why not when playing Saints? C'mon man, we need the help.

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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 11 Jan 2017, 6:43 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:I suspect that rather than the basic skills suddenly letting them down it is more a case of them never having been good enough in the first place to withstand execution under pressure. So we see teams that execute their skills really well when they are on the front foot, or in teh lead, but then struggle when on the back foot, chasing a game or in inclement weather.

We see this all the time at WR.
But why not when playing Saints?   C'mon man, we need the help.

Because the players don't want to get lynched after the game. It's amazing how that focuses the mind.

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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by doctor_grey on Fri 13 Jan 2017, 3:00 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:I suspect that rather than the basic skills suddenly letting them down it is more a case of them never having been good enough in the first place to withstand execution under pressure. So we see teams that execute their skills really well when they are on the front foot, or in teh lead, but then struggle when on the back foot, chasing a game or in inclement weather.

We see this all the time at WR.
But why not when playing Saints?   C'mon man, we need the help.

Because the players don't want to get lynched after the game. It's amazing how that focuses the mind.
Subtle, yet effective.

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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by Scottrf on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 1:50 pm

Best half for a while!

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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 2:47 pm

Looked for all the world Saints would find a way to lose that but it all worked out in the end.

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Re: Northampton Saints - Is It Time For Change At The Top

Post by doctor_grey on Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:10 pm

Scottrf wrote:Best half for a while!
Agree.  I almost thought we were a good team.  
And where was this all year?  
And Saints could have had more.  
And, and, and.

But we need to rip out in both freakin' halves to be a top level club again.  How did we let them back in? Shows we can play, but sometimes simply don't.  
Happy with the win, but as far as Saints are concerned, the Euro Cup thing is now in garbage time (pronounced garbaaage).  

In other words, regarding Saints, I am either bi-polar or schizophrenic.  Or maybe simply arguing with myself.   Again..............

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