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Post by geoff999rugby on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 10:02 am

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Guys I have rather lost track where we are re NIQ contracts for next season

Currently Ulster have Coetzee and Piatau and no Projects - where do the other provinces stand.

The reason I ask is there seems to be a lot of pressure to reduce the numbers over the next couple of years

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by wolfball on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 9:55 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:If we cant sign Conan for a year or Copeland to be honest we should not bother asking established southerners to come north it is a complete and utter waste of time

McFadden, Conway, Murphy, McLaughlin, Conan, Ruddock, Ryan, Marsh have all been made good offers i.e. they don't lose out financially - all have said no.
That may not be a comprehensive list

Conan was offered the chance to come to the AP and Leicester for two years. He didn't fancy that either. Even with Geordan doing the talking. I just don't think the lad wanted to leave. He knows Heaslip isn't getting any younger.

I think people massively underestimate the value of player lifestyle. If someone loves living in Dublin the money would have to be insane to move to somewhere like Leicester or Belfast. In soccer, the money is insane, so players will live anywhere. In rugby the couple 100k difference most players would be getting for a "big move" is not worth the change in lifestyle for alot of players.

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by marty2086 on Thu 13 Apr 2017, 9:30 am

wolfball wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:If we cant sign Conan for a year or Copeland to be honest we should not bother asking established southerners to come north it is a complete and utter waste of time

McFadden, Conway, Murphy, McLaughlin, Conan, Ruddock, Ryan, Marsh have all been made good offers i.e. they don't lose out financially - all have said no.
That may not be a comprehensive list

Conan was offered the chance to come to the AP and Leicester for two years. He didn't fancy that either. Even with Geordan doing the talking. I just don't think the lad wanted to leave. He knows Heaslip isn't getting any younger.

I think people massively underestimate the value of player lifestyle. If someone loves living in Dublin the money would have to be insane to move to somewhere like Leicester or Belfast. In soccer, the money is insane, so players will live anywhere. In rugby the couple 100k difference most players would be getting for a "big move" is not worth the change in lifestyle for alot of players.

Not true at all, plenty of football players won't live in certain places. Roy Keane used to commute from Manchester to Sunderland when he was manager there, teams like Aston Villa and Birmingham have had problems in the past attracting players because its Birmingham and guys like Joe Cole used to commute from London every day, even the Manchester teams have struggled at times to sign players especially when in competition with London clubs.

Dublin isn't the other side of the world from Belfast so travelling from the north of Dublin in particular to Belfast isn't exactly a crazy idea

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 13 Apr 2017, 11:15 am

wolfball wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:If we cant sign Conan for a year or Copeland to be honest we should not bother asking established southerners to come north it is a complete and utter waste of time

McFadden, Conway, Murphy, McLaughlin, Conan, Ruddock, Ryan, Marsh have all been made good offers i.e. they don't lose out financially - all have said no.
That may not be a comprehensive list

Conan was offered the chance to come to the AP and Leicester for two years. He didn't fancy that either. Even with Geordan doing the talking. I just don't think the lad wanted to leave. He knows Heaslip isn't getting any younger.

I think people massively underestimate the value of player lifestyle. If someone loves living in Dublin the money would have to be insane to move to somewhere like Leicester or Belfast. In soccer, the money is insane, so players will live anywhere. In rugby the couple 100k difference most players would be getting for a "big move" is not worth the change in lifestyle for alot of players.

I doubt there was a couple 100k difference in wages. Tigers don't have the cap space and the pound is no longer as strong against the Euro. There is a big difference in the cost of living between areas as well, Quins fans like to point out that the salary cap dent take into account the much higher cost of living in London, similarly it's cheaper to live in Leicestershire (none of the players live in the city) than Dublin. The lifestyle is also very different when you need a car compared to city living when everything is on your doorstep.

If Conan has his heart in Dublin then fair play to him wanting to remain. He's getting game time and is in and around the Ireland squad.

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by thebandwagonsociety on Thu 13 Apr 2017, 5:22 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
wolfball wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:If we cant sign Conan for a year or Copeland to be honest we should not bother asking established southerners to come north it is a complete and utter waste of time

McFadden, Conway, Murphy, McLaughlin, Conan, Ruddock, Ryan, Marsh have all been made good offers i.e. they don't lose out financially - all have said no.
That may not be a comprehensive list

Conan was offered the chance to come to the AP and Leicester for two years. He didn't fancy that either. Even with Geordan doing the talking. I just don't think the lad wanted to leave. He knows Heaslip isn't getting any younger.

I think people massively underestimate the value of player lifestyle. If someone loves living in Dublin the money would have to be insane to move to somewhere like Leicester or Belfast. In soccer, the money is insane, so players will live anywhere. In rugby the couple 100k difference most players would be getting for a "big move" is not worth the change in lifestyle for alot of players.

I doubt there was a couple 100k difference in wages. Tigers don't have the cap space and the pound is no longer as strong against the Euro. There is a big difference in the cost of living between areas as well, Quins fans like to point out that the salary cap dent take into account the much higher cost of living in London, similarly it's cheaper to live in Leicestershire (none of the players live in the city) than Dublin. The lifestyle is also very different when you need a car compared to city living when everything is on your doorstep.

If Conan has his heart in Dublin then fair play to him wanting to remain. He's getting game time and is in and around the Ireland squad.

He should also be looking behind him, Deegan is coming through the academy and will put him under pressure soon enough. The academy production line for back row players with potential doesn't show signs of slowing any time soon.

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 13 Apr 2017, 8:21 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
wolfball wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:If we cant sign Conan for a year or Copeland to be honest we should not bother asking established southerners to come north it is a complete and utter waste of time

McFadden, Conway, Murphy, McLaughlin, Conan, Ruddock, Ryan, Marsh have all been made good offers i.e. they don't lose out financially - all have said no.
That may not be a comprehensive list

Conan was offered the chance to come to the AP and Leicester for two years. He didn't fancy that either. Even with Geordan doing the talking. I just don't think the lad wanted to leave. He knows Heaslip isn't getting any younger.

I think people massively underestimate the value of player lifestyle. If someone loves living in Dublin the money would have to be insane to move to somewhere like Leicester or Belfast. In soccer, the money is insane, so players will live anywhere. In rugby the couple 100k difference most players would be getting for a "big move" is not worth the change in lifestyle for alot of players.

I doubt there was a couple 100k difference in wages. Tigers don't have the cap space and the pound is no longer as strong against the Euro. There is a big difference in the cost of living between areas as well, Quins fans like to point out that the salary cap dent take into account the much higher cost of living in London, similarly it's cheaper to live in Leicestershire (none of the players live in the city) than Dublin. The lifestyle is also very different when you need a car compared to city living when everything is on your doorstep.

If Conan has his heart in Dublin then fair play to him wanting to remain. He's getting game time and is in and around the Ireland squad.

He should also be looking behind him, Deegan is coming through the academy and will put him under pressure soon enough.  The academy production line for back row players with potential doesn't show signs of slowing any time soon.

Perhaps we'll have more chance in tempting Deegan to Leicestershire for some development seasons. Their boss enjoyed his time here. The wealth of talent in Irish backrows is quite frightening. 

Tigers have got some good opensides coming into the senior squad but can't seem to progress a big lump through, maybe Fred Tuilagi will help that if we can ever get him fit enough.

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by geoff999rugby on Wed 10 May 2017, 10:29 am

Time for an update as I hear Leinster are signing more NIQ

Ulster sitting at - NIQ Botha, Coetzee, Piatau and Project - de Merwe
Talk of Jim Hamilton but nothing official

What is the latest update for the other provinces ?

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by marty2086 on Wed 10 May 2017, 10:34 am

geoff999rugby wrote:
Talk of Jim Hamilton but nothing official

That was apparently Andy Goode using Hamiltons phone on their podcast

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by St John The Enforcer on Wed 10 May 2017, 10:45 am

geoff999rugby wrote:Time for an update as I hear Leinster are signing more NIQ

Ulster sitting at - NIQ Botha, Coetzee, Piatau and Project - de Merwe
Talk of Jim Hamilton but nothing official

What is the latest update for the other provinces ?

Leinster signed Scott Fardy and James Lowe over 2 months ago. They will join Isa and Gibson-Park Making 4 in Leinster. Lowe and GP are projects.

Ulster's 4 you have named your self. (I presume you mean Van der Merwe)

Munster have Projects Marshall and Klein. They are keeping Taute and will probably sign a project tight head to make their 4.

There will be a scramble to sign projects before the 31th of December


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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by geoff999rugby on Wed 10 May 2017, 12:09 pm

marty2086 wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:
Talk of Jim Hamilton but nothing official

That was apparently Andy Goode using Hamiltons phone on their podcast

I saw that but the truth is we are, at least 1 short in the second row.

No way Henderson, Diack, AOC, Browne and Tradwell is enough
We have promising talent coming through in the Front and Back rows but that is definitely not true in the 2nd row

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by marty2086 on Wed 10 May 2017, 12:20 pm

geoff is Donnan another one who is destined for the Championship? Is Thompson being retained?

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by geoff999rugby on Wed 10 May 2017, 2:28 pm

I would not hold my breath on Donnan and I get the feeling Thompson is considered not quite ready

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 10 May 2017, 3:08 pm

Isn't that the case with most? They aren't quite ready, I know there was some hope for Donnan a few years back its a pity he hasn't kicked on

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by geoff999rugby on Wed 10 May 2017, 7:42 pm

Indeed disappointing but, o nthe bright side, I do believe you will see new front and backrowers.

Lutton leaving and Black leaving in 2018 suggests that in the front row.

In the backrow we have 2 Saffers with dodgy injury records plus Henry, Reidy and some would argue Ross.
We simply will be forced to give real game time to Timoney, Rea, Jones and Dow.

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Post by Don Alfonso on Thu 11 May 2017, 12:34 am

Is Dow not away as well?

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Re: NIQ players 17-18

Post by geoff999rugby on Thu 11 May 2017, 8:52 am

I hesitated to add his name to that list as I wasn't sure.
Also word on young O'Connor coming has gone a bit quiet but I still believe he is coming.

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