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Post by EWT Spoons on Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:03 am

First topic message reminder :

Trying something new.

Match thread for both games, together....as one.  Could work like a dream, could be a total nightmare.

First up, Thursday 15/12

                  
Stade Francais vs Edinburgh Rugby
15 December 2016
Kick off: 19:45
Venue: Stade Jean Bouin
TV: BeIn Sports

Referee Dudley Phillips (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Sean Gallagher (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 Helen O'Reilly (Ireland)
TMO Kevin Beggs (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Murray Whyte (Ireland)

Form:

10/12/16 Edinburgh Rugby 28 - 23 Stade Francais Paris
23/1/10 Edinburgh Rugby 9 - 7 Stade Francais Paris
10/10/09 Stade Francais Paris 31 - 7 Edinburgh Rugby

Teams:

Stade

15 Hugo Bonneval
14 Jérémy Sinzelle
13 Geoffrey Doumayrou
12 Jonathan Danty
11 Josaia Raisuqe
10 Jules Plisson
9 Clement Daguin

1 Emmanuel Felsina
2 Remi Bonfils
3 Rabah Slimani
4 Hugh Pyle
5 Pascal Papé (capt)
6 Jonathan Ross
7 Sekou Macalou
8 Sergio Parisse

16 Craig Burden
17 Zurabi Zhvania
18 Giorgi Melikidze
19 Mathieu De Giovanni
20 Sylvain Nicolas
21 Arthur Coville
22 Morné Steyn
23 Julien Arias

Edinburgh

15 Blair Kinghorn
14 Damien Hoyland
13 Michael Allen
12 Chris Dean
11 Tom Brown
10 Jason Tovey
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne

1 Alasdair Dickinson
2 Ross Ford (capt)
3 Simon Berghan
4 Fraser McKenzie
5 Ben Toolis
6 Cornell Du Preez
7 Hamish Watson
8 Nasi Manu

16 Neil Cochrane
17 Allan Dell
18 Murray McCallum
19 Lewis Carmichael
20 Viliame Mata
21 Sean Kennedy
22 Duncan Weir
23 Glenn Bryce

Next,  Friday 16/12

                   
Glasgow Warriors v Racing 92
16 December 2016
KO: 19:45
Venue: Scotstoun Stadium
TV BeIn and BT Sport 2

Referee George Clancy (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Leo Colgan (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 John Carvill (Ireland)
TMO Olly Hodges (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Alberto Recaldini (Italy)

Form:

10/12/16 Racing 92 14 - 23 Glasgow Warriors
23/1/16 Glasgow Warriors 22 - 5 Racing 92
9/1/16 Racing 92 34 - 10 Glasgow Warriors

Teams:

Racing
Some bunch of vastly overpaid players

Glasgow
A selection of players who are uncertain as to what the purpose of soap and water is

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:57 am

I'm OK with the LBP and reckon we've done out of the two Stade games.

Fingers crossed for Glasgow tonight. It's going to be huge.

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Post by Hazel Sapling on Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:25 am

All games are massive to get through. Someone will get 4 wins and not make the quarter finals. Glasgow win tonight and they become favourites for the group going into tomorrow. Munster still have to go away 3 times and play an admittedly already out Racing at home.

It seems like Edinburgh have a good squad but have no idea how to use them. They need to figure out how they want to play and build players into that system or move them on. The leadership is lacking. They need a senior guy to step up and take the mantle of Al Kellock. Ford and Manu have not. Personally I like Bresler for the role as a niggly b*stard who always seems up for a fight.

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Post by Hazel Sapling on Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:44 am

Johan Goosen retires at age 24 in what sounds like acrimonious circumstances.

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/goosen-in-shock-retirement-at-24/

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Post by whocares on Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:53 am

Weird. Is that just a way to get away from his newly signed 4 years contract?

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:26 am

18-0 Glasgow after 38 minutes!

2 great tries.

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Post by whocares on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:27 am

Racing not really in this game. Will be a long night for them.

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Post by Welly on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:28 am

Glasgow have def pushed themselves into my top 3 non Tigers rugby clubs behind Ulster and Munster but ahead of Clermont.

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Post by nickj on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:33 am

Bloody amazing. What a mature and controlled half. Russell is doing it again. Keep it up boys!

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Post by cakeordeath on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:39 am

Have to keep up this intensity in the 2nd half

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Post by nickj on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:41 am

I have every faith they will. They seem utterly on it tonight. What a difference from the last few games.

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Post by nickj on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:41 am

I have every faith they will. They seem utterly on it tonight. What a difference from the last few games.

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Post by Eejit on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:44 am

What a half. Racing don't look interested.

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Post by cakeordeath on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:50 am

The annoying thing is Glasgow should be a few more up

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Post by jimbopip on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:03 am

Welly wrote: Glasgow have def pushed themselves into my top 3 non Tigers rugby clubs behind Ulster and Munster but ahead of Clermont.
Welly, there are a few of us here who'll be at Welford Rd in January.I'll be driving up from London (actually the Feckless Rogue is chauffeur) so any advice about parking and watering holes would be much appreciated. Schiz will be chaperoned by Lady Schiz so will be behaving and Bru will be without his good lady so will also be on his best behaviour.

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Post by carpet baboon on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:10 am

Every time I watch Glasgow I like them more and more

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Post by nickj on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:11 am

Is there another Gray brother?

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Post by cakeordeath on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:19 am

Come on Glasgow we have to get that BPW

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Post by cakeordeath on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:28 am

We really did leave a bonus point out there.

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Post by TJ on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:40 am

Dunno about that cake - Racing fought back well and Glasgow didn't have much in the way of chances in the second half. They might well miss that bonus point.

When the groups were drawn we all thought "group of death" and to beat Racing would be hard.

this is right up there with Glasgow best performances.

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Post by Guest on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:42 am

Excellent 1st half, Glasgow, and great result clap

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Post by Maine man on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:48 am

With Racing having no points is it possible that they will send out weakened teams for the remaining fixtures? Glasgow's victory may help munsters chances of topping the group.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:49 am

Superb from Glasgow clap

Some of the defence in the second half was out the top drawer, shame they eventually got a try in at the end

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Post by TJ on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:51 am

Maine man wrote:With Racing having no points is it possible that they will send out weakened teams for the remaining fixtures? Glasgow's victory may help munsters chances of topping the group.

almost certain I would say We need tigers to beat them this weekend

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Post by whocares on Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:55 am

Maine man wrote:With Racing having no points is it possible that they will send out weakened teams for the remaining fixtures? Glasgow's victory may help munsters chances of topping the group.

Most likely. They are out so they will use those games to give a few players game time and to be honest those were the ones that showed up today (specially the SH that came in) while the likes of Carter were quite poor to remain polite. Guaranteed 9-10 points for Munster.

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Post by R!skysports on Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:25 am

Another good result. Shame not able to make bonus point but a win is a win

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Post by BigGee on Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:24 am

Well could not watch live as was working but boy was it worth waiting for and I managed to avoid the score, even though I got a few texts that suggested things were going well!

Ok we probably did leave the bonus point out there but before the two games we would never have been thinking about it and would have bitten your hand off if we had been offered it. If we don't qualify then the bonus point that we will rue not taking will be the one against Munster on that fateful day in Limerick.

We probably did go off the boil a bit in the last 20 mins and do not really have the quality of bench players available to really lift the pace. I don't think he even used the whole bench, which tells you a lot.

Still there were some mighty performances out there. Finn played the tunes and rightly got the plaudits, but the pack won their battle first of all.

That was probably Fargerson's best performance in a Glasgow shirt, he seems to be improving game by game and is still only 20! He had a pretty good shout at MoM as well. Strauss showed us what a good player he still is and Wilson and Swinson left it all out there. Johnny G just does what he does week in week out!

Sam Johnson and Lee Jones definitely deserve a mention as well, good players, not out of their depth at this level at all.

It really was a 15 man performance and was very hard to single anyone out. The BT sport commentators were just drooling about it. They certainly enjoyed their trip to Glasgow.

For Racing it is going to be a long trip home. I really do hope that they show some pride and turn up for their remaining games. Munster and Glasgow both deserve to go through!

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:24 am

Well I enjoyed that Very Happy

Would have been great to get the BP obviously ("East stand wants a bonus point!" and all that) but thought Racing fought back well in the last quarter TBH, depth of their bench vs ours probably showed. If anything I felt Glasgow could have made more inroads in the first half where they were utterly dominant. In particular when they'd just shoved the Racing scrum backwards to get the penalty to go 18-0 up I thought they might have gone for another scrum instead to force the issue (I think they were quite close to the line at the time).

Other thoughts:
- Finn Russell really was excellent. At the ground what struck me was how much time he seemed to have on the ball compared to others. He pulled the strings superbly and was heavily involved in all three tries. If he can keep this form up for the rest of the season he could force himself into Lions consideration IMO.
- Glasgow pack were excellent as a whole. Won the breakdown and put in a big defensive shift too, several times Racing were camped on the line in the second half and came away with nothing. Special mention to Seymour too for that try-saving tackle right at the end of the first half (right in front of where we were sitting, as was Price's second half score).
- Line-out was hit-and-miss, shame as all other aspects of Fraser-Brown's game are up there. Oh and someone sort out the restarts, please.

Leicester's win today changes things a bit. Glasgow now have a real chance to top the group if they can win their last two games.

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Post by BigGee on Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:56 am

Has there been any word on when the Racing - Munster game will be replayed?

It really aught to be before the final round of group games is played, otherwise it won't be possible to finalise the quarter final line ups.

It would probably be an advantage to Munster as well if they had a game on their own, knowing what they had to do to qualify and Racing will become less and less interested in the game the further away from the rest of the competition it gets.

If it is played in synch with the rest of the tournament then I am not so sure that Racing will throw in the towel easily, especially for the whole games. They are struggling a bit and will want to be getting their season back on track.

I live in hope at any rate.

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Post by demosthenes on Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:16 am

Rearranged game on EPRC website as 7th January.

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Post by BigGee on Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:46 am

demosthenes wrote:Rearranged game on EPRC website as 7th January.

That makes sense, same as it was for Glasgow when our game was cancelled last year. Three games in a row like that should keep Racing interested as well.

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Post by BigGee on Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:48 am

Results over the rest of the weekend have fallen pretty well for Glasgow. A lot of other contenders have tripped up or in some cases are now out.

Still for Glasgow the easiest permutation to consider is to win the last two group games and the group. That is what they should be aiming for and then a home quarter final.

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Post by rodders on Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:03 pm

Sensational performance by Glasgow. Not a total surprise to those who follow the pro12 but great to see Glasgow bringing their A game to Europe again.

On current form they could go a long way, Racing had no answer to their attack at all and were unlucky not to take maximum points.
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Post by George Carlin on Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:11 pm

rodders wrote:Sensational performance by Glasgow. Not a total surprise to those who follow the pro12 but great to see Glasgow bringing their A game to Europe again.

On current form they could go a long way, Racing had no answer to their attack at all and were unlucky not to take maximum points.
Thanks Rodders. But don't be too fulsome with your praise.

Not sure if you've heard but posters have thankfully already confirmed on other threads that Racing are Now Rubbish.
So that makes Glasgow Still Rubbish.
Until Leicester beats Racing, of course.
Then Racing will be back to being "last year's beaten finalists".
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Post by R!skysports on Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:06 am

Did Jonny miss any tackles (Where do we find the stats)

This is now the most important aspect of any game (as my mate and I have a very funny bit of banter going ) Ok not that funny

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:24 am

Jonny Gray - Tackles 12 Missed 2

He missed some according to ESPN!!

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Post by R!skysports on Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:54 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Jonny Gray - Tackles 12 Missed 2

He missed some according to ESPN!!

They lie

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:04 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Jonny Gray - Tackles 12 Missed 2

He missed some according to ESPN!!

He's just getting some practice in for the 1872.

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Post by Cyril on Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:11 am

What has happened to Racing? Shocked

It just goes to show that the top sides' form is very circular.

If Sarries don't win it, maybe Clermont will.

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Post by TJ on Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:57 am

Racing are not having a great season by their standards - however what happened is Glasgow blew them away with pace a guile. There is less of that "attack from anywhere, defend at pace, move the ball around quickly" from teams in france and England.

Sarries V Glasgow would be a very interesting game. Sarries look the best team in the cup. But I don't think any team around could counter Glasgow when they play like that

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Post by Cyril on Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:03 am

Sarries would/will smash Glasgow in second gear.

I'll look forward to TJ's England/Scotland predictions again Smile

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Post by Cyril on Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:05 am

If both sides play to their abilities Sarries will win by 15-20.

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Post by TJ on Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:46 pm

Di you watch the Glasgow / Racing games Cyril? Yes Sarries are good and looking like the best team in the competition. However they have not played a team that plays the way Glasgow do. We are talking about some of the best players in the world in the Racing team and they ended up completely bamboozled by Glasgow falling on their backsides trying to lay a hand on Russell. Looking absolutely spent after 20 mins of trying to keep up. the pace Glasgow played at is not seen in the AP.

Thats why I said it would be interesting to see. could Glasgows pace and guile stop the Sarries machine? I don't know the answer, Its clear this year guile and pace are becoming more prevalent over power and weight.

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Post by sensisball on Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:08 pm

Think its only fair, to provide some kind of balance, that Racing are a shadow of the team that hammered Glasgow in Paris last season. They don't appear to have recovered mentally, or physically, from the 19 consecutive match run in to finals in the champions cup and the T14 title in Barcelona, which was played on June 24th!

In addition several of their key players from last season: Goosen ,Chavancy, Imhoff, Le Roux and Nyanga were also missing from Friday's squad for various reasons ranging from injury, being rested and trying to wriggle out of their contract!

Glasgow have shown already this year that against a strong scrummaging outfit they struggle so to think that they would have a good chance of matching Clermont or Saracens just now is being, IMO, a bit over optimistic.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:10 pm

It's really not tj. There's no one way to win in rugby, but there are various examples of how good and bad teams implement those strategies. Saracens tend to plat better without the ball when teams are trying to play. That said there's only really wasps in the prem who play that game as well as saracens play theirs. Glasgow saracens would be good to watch but 9 times out of 10 it would be saracens winning.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:50 pm

sensisball wrote:Think its only fair, to provide some kind of balance, that Racing are a shadow of the team that hammered Glasgow in Paris last season. They don't appear to have recovered mentally, or physically, from the 19 consecutive match run in to finals in the champions cup and the T14 title in Barcelona, which was played on June 24th!

In addition several of their key players from last season: Goosen ,Chavancy, Imhoff, Le Roux and Nyanga were also missing from Friday's squad for various reasons ranging from injury, being rested and trying to wriggle out of their contract!

Glasgow have shown already this year that against a strong scrummaging outfit they struggle so to think that they would have a good chance of matching Clermont or Saracens just now is being, IMO, a bit over optimistic.

With respect Sensi, this is garbage.

The only time Glasgow struggle is when they have their Internationals out - as was proved over the Autumn. Full strength, the pack is fine - even against strong scrummagers.

However, I think that Saracens would beat Glasgow at the moment - although it would be nothing like the BS spouted by Cyril above. I'd see it more as a 10 point game.

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Post by EST on Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:07 pm

I think it is fair to point out that Racing are not as good as they were last year, that's absolutely true. However, I don't think that diminishes Glasgow's achievement. The Warriors do not have a good history in Europe, so to beat a team stacked to the rafters with international players home and away, is a big step. They also did it in style.



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Post by TJ on Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:12 pm

I only said it would be interesting to see. I did not predict a Glasgow win.


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Post by George Carlin on Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:42 pm

The only reason Sarries would beat Glasgow would be because of the influence of Sean Maitland and Duncan Taylor.  Very Happy
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Post by Hazel Sapling on Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:01 am

George Carlin wrote:The only reason Sarries would beat Glasgow would be because of the influence of Sean Maitland and Duncan Taylor and the supreme leadership of Brown and HamiltonVery Happy


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Post by rodders on Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:53 am

Cyril wrote:Sarries would/will smash Glasgow in second gear.

I'll look forward to TJ's England/Scotland predictions again Smile

Good job we are in for an all pro 12 final then Cyril Wink
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