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Post by Munchkin on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 7:48 pm

Can't believe there wasn't a thread for this, so ....

Commiserations, Wasps. The dominant side in the second half, but the rugby gods declared a Connacht win. Fantastic side, and have no doubt you will qualify.

Well done, Connacht! clap What an end to a game! You never stopped believing and pulled the rabbit out of the hat in extra time. Was sure the conversion was going to miss but what a kick. For my money, if I was a betting man, I think you and Wasps will qualify.


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Post by toml on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 7:51 pm

What a Frak!ng bloody great game. How about that and the Toulouse win! Hopefully they can get some boys fit again and go and do it in Toulouse.


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Post by Munchkin on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 8:08 pm

toml wrote:What a Frak!ng bloody great game. How about that and the Toulouse win! Hopefully they can get some boys fit again and go and do it in Toulouse.


Bit of a slip by Aki Erm

Yes, a great game, but Connacht were up against in the 2nd half. I think Connacht will end on at least 18 points, and hopefully pick up at a point against Toulouse to make it 19. It would great to see them qualify.

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Post by Exiledinborders on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 8:33 pm

Idiotic play at the end by Wasps.

In such a situation the answer is always to kick it long (and if possible out) and let the other team try and score from a long way out.

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Post by Golden on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 8:39 pm

Exiledinborders wrote:Idiotic play at the end by Wasps.

In such a situation the answer is always to kick it long (and if possible out) and let the other team  try and score from a long way out.

Nah all they had to do was pic'n go for another 30 seconds and it was over.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 8:47 pm

1 second ... the ref blew for a penalty just as time was up ...

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Post by Heaf on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 8:51 pm

And bloody annoying as well - I had Wasps to win by 5

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Post by westisbest on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 10:49 pm

Great win by Connacht.
Thought it was done at 18-13.
Great heart shown by Connacht again.

Super kick from Carty. Held his nerve well.

Good ole Aki with the f word.

Hope the lads can make the knock out stages.

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Post by Exiledinborders on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 3:15 pm

Golden wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:Idiotic play at the end by Wasps.

In such a situation the answer is always to kick it long (and if possible out) and let the other team  try and score from a long way out.

Nah all they had to do was pic'n go for another 30 seconds and it was over.
The should have kicked earlier. Trying to run down the clock via pick and goes more often than not ends in a penalty. It is no problem if you are in the opponents half but not in your own.

Always kick long and challenge the opponents to score from their own half.

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Post by marty2086 on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 4:39 pm

EPCR have released a statement basically saying Raynal called it wrong yesterday and that he shouldnt have awarded a lineout at the end but that the result stands

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Post by Munchkin on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 5:23 pm

marty2086 wrote:EPCR have released a statement basically saying Raynal called it wrong yesterday and that he shouldnt have awarded a lineout at the end but that the result stands

The new law/directive is that a team can opt for a lineout in the dying seconds of either half. It could be that this wasn't supposed to be implemented yet, but nothing wrong with it otherwise.

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Post by Heaf on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 6:03 pm

It wasn't implemented yet so there is a huge amount wrong with it as it almost certainly changed the result and will almost certainly change the outcome of the pool - can't get much more wrong than that ...

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Post by Munchkin on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 6:11 pm

Heaf wrote:It wasn't implemented yet so there is a huge amount wrong with it as it almost certainly changed the result and will almost certainly change the outcome of the pool - can't get much more wrong than that ...

Fair enough, but do you have when it will be brought into force?

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Post by marty2086 on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 6:18 pm

Munchkin wrote:
marty2086 wrote:EPCR have released a statement basically saying Raynal called it wrong yesterday and that he shouldnt have awarded a lineout at the end but that the result stands

The new law/directive is that a team can opt for a lineout in the dying seconds of either half. It could be that this wasn't supposed to be implemented yet, but nothing wrong with it otherwise.

Apparently only on trial in SH but I blame commentators for it as they have been saying for a while that its been brought in


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Post by marty2086 on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 6:19 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Heaf wrote:It wasn't implemented yet so there is a huge amount wrong with it as it almost certainly changed the result and will almost certainly change the outcome of the pool - can't get much more wrong than that ...

Fair enough, but do you have when it will be brought into force?

You need a crystal ball to know that, Connacht could have taken a tap and got a try and still won it

Munchkin it comes in in August next year in the NH

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Post by Munchkin on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 6:21 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
marty2086 wrote:EPCR have released a statement basically saying Raynal called it wrong yesterday and that he shouldnt have awarded a lineout at the end but that the result stands

The new law/directive is that a team can opt for a lineout in the dying seconds of either half. It could be that this wasn't supposed to be implemented yet, but nothing wrong with it otherwise.

Apparently only on trial in SH but I blame commentators for it as they have been saying for a while that its been brought in


The ref should really know if, or when, it applies, but fair play to Muldoon Very Happy

Edit: just reading up on it. It appears the trails were tested both North and South, but no mention of the Euro competition.

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Post by Heaf on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 6:42 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Heaf wrote:It wasn't implemented yet so there is a huge amount wrong with it as it almost certainly changed the result and will almost certainly change the outcome of the pool - can't get much more wrong than that ...

Fair enough, but do you have when it will be brought into force?

You need a crystal ball to know that, Connacht could have taken a tap and got a try and still won it

Munchkin it comes in in August next year in the NH
Yes that's why I said almost certainly rather than did ... chances of scoring from a quick tap from that position are much lower than a 5m catch and drive ...

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 7:00 pm

Was the game actually at 80 mins? I've noticed over the weekend many times where the clock keeps going after the ref calls for the time to stop. Perhaps there wasn't 80 mins on the clock in the stadium?

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Post by Heaf on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 7:58 pm

The conversation between ref and skipper made it clear they thought time was up ...

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Post by thebandwagonsociety on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 8:23 pm

marty2086 wrote:EPCR have released a statement basically saying Raynal called it wrong yesterday and that he shouldnt have awarded a lineout at the end but that the result stands

EPCR apologises to English club when result doesn't go their way.
Before Connacht kicked to the corner, Muldoon made sure to make sure he was going to get the lineout played.
If the replacement ref had correctly applied the rules he would have given Muldoon the correct response, that would have changed Muldoons decision to kick for the lineout. Wasps were on the back foot, flustered and blew a commanding position. If the high paid english club can't close out a game against one of us lowly pro12 sides they should reassess their chances of progressing far into the competition.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 2:00 am

The statement doesn't disrespect Connacht. It clarifies the rules in the competition.

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Post by lostinwales on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 7:33 am

thebandwagonsociety wrote:
EPCR apologises to English club when result doesn't go their way......

But the result wasnt 'adjusted'. You could just as easily say that Wasps had a justified complaint, the competition organisers agreed but decided to let the Irish club get the advantage anyway.

Traditionally we play to the interpretation of the ref, and the best you can say is that is what happened. Its not the fault of either team. The whinge about the English team getting an apology for losing is poor

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 8:32 am

These things shouldn't really happen. There will always be mistakes but not actually knowing the rules is pushing it!

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Post by Kingshu on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 8:50 am

Does anyone remember something similar happening Italy in the 6 nations years ago.

The ref said they had time for the line out, and when they kicked it out he blew the full time whistle? (can't remember if they took to long to kick it or what).

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Post by The Great Aukster on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 9:01 am

lostinwales wrote:
thebandwagonsociety wrote:
EPCR apologises to English club when result doesn't go their way......

But  the result wasnt 'adjusted'. You could just as easily say that Wasps had a justified complaint, the competition organisers agreed but decided to let the Irish club get the advantage anyway.

Traditionally we play to the interpretation of the ref, and the best you can say is that is what happened. Its not the fault of either team. The whinge about the English team getting an apology for losing is poor

Totally agree. The referee made a massive blunder and his employers apologise as they should. The decision wasn't even open to interpretation the way say a red card might have been.

Officials move between hemispheres to referee games and there must be a real risk of confusion if something is being trialled in one and not the other. Would Rugby need to start managing the Law tinkering in a far more professional way or this will happen again.

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Post by Griff on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 9:42 am

Kingshu wrote:Does anyone remember something similar happening Italy in the 6 nations years ago.

The ref said they had time for the line out, and when they kicked it out he blew the full time whistle? (can't remember if they took to long to kick it or what).

Yes it was against Wales! We were losing 23-20, had a penalty but turned it down as we wanted to go for the win rather than draw, checked if we had time, ref said yes, kicked to the corner, and then the ref checked with someone in his ear (TMO?) and then blew up and we lost 23-20!!!

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Post by Kingshu on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 9:47 am

Griff wrote:
Kingshu wrote:Does anyone remember something similar happening Italy in the 6 nations years ago.

The ref said they had time for the line out, and when they kicked it out he blew the full time whistle? (can't remember if they took to long to kick it or what).

Yes it was against Wales! We were losing 23-20, had a penalty but turned it down as we wanted to go for the win rather than draw, checked if we had time, ref said yes, kicked to the corner, and then the ref checked with someone in his ear (TMO?) and then blew up and we lost 23-20!!!

Thats it. I remember it better now.

The same could have happened Connacht, "yes you have time to kick", they kick it out, TMO says no ruling hasn't changed yet (why didn't he say to the ref?), and ref blows for full time, and Connacht feel very hard done by.


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Post by rodders on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 9:52 am

Great result for Connacht, irrespective of the confusion around the penalty at the end,

Both teams look in a good position to qualify.
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Post by The Great Aukster on Mon 19 Dec 2016, 9:58 am

Griff wrote:
Kingshu wrote:Does anyone remember something similar happening Italy in the 6 nations years ago.

The ref said they had time for the line out, and when they kicked it out he blew the full time whistle? (can't remember if they took to long to kick it or what).

Yes it was against Wales! We were losing 23-20, had a penalty but turned it down as we wanted to go for the win rather than draw, checked if we had time, ref said yes, kicked to the corner, and then the ref checked with someone in his ear (TMO?) and then blew up and we lost 23-20!!!

Remember it well. Chris White was done like a kipper by whomever was in his ear with the clock. Wales had to win that game having lost the first three, but that game did for Gareth Jenkins' coaching credibility more than any other - even though they won their last game against England.

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Post by Dubbelyew L Overate on Wed 21 Dec 2016, 1:46 am

Somewhat surprised that there's been no condemnation of Muldoon for lying to the ref, as caught on refmic. Marler was crucified for accurately describing an opponent on refmic, yet this is ignored why?

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Post by Munchkin on Wed 21 Dec 2016, 3:39 am

Marler was rightly condemned for his abusive language. Something he admitted to and apologised for during the game ....

Muldoon could have been pulling a fast one, but we don't know that. As a player you would think he would know, but then you can say the ref more so.

Anyway, what sort of condemnation do you have in mind?

"Naughty boy, Muldoon. Write out 1000 lines - 'I must not tell the ref porkies'...

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Post by The Great Aukster on Wed 21 Dec 2016, 8:52 am

If Marler getting a two week ban for racism equates to crucifixion,
what capital punishment equates to the 11 weeks that Hartley got for his vitriolic abuse of Wayne Barnes?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 21 Dec 2016, 9:26 am

Dubbelyew L Overate wrote:Somewhat surprised that there's been no condemnation of Muldoon for lying to the ref, as caught on refmic. Marler was crucified for accurately describing an opponent on refmic, yet this is ignored why?

Because he wasn't right doesn't mean he lied

He was right that there are new regulations, they just aren't in force in that competition

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Post by TJ on Wed 21 Dec 2016, 9:41 am

The Great Aukster wrote:
Griff wrote:
Kingshu wrote:Does anyone remember something similar happening Italy in the 6 nations years ago.

The ref said they had time for the line out, and when they kicked it out he blew the full time whistle? (can't remember if they took to long to kick it or what).

Yes it was against Wales! We were losing 23-20, had a penalty but turned it down as we wanted to go for the win rather than draw, checked if we had time, ref said yes, kicked to the corner, and then the ref checked with someone in his ear (TMO?) and then blew up and we lost 23-20!!!

Remember it well. Chris White was done like a kipper by whomever was in his ear with the clock. Wales had to win that game having lost the first three, but that game did for Gareth Jenkins' coaching credibility more than any other - even though they won their last game against England.

IIRC he didn't ask the ref was there time for a linout. He asked " can we kick for touch" and was told yes

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Post by rodders on Wed 21 Dec 2016, 10:03 am

TJ wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
Griff wrote:
Kingshu wrote:Does anyone remember something similar happening Italy in the 6 nations years ago.

The ref said they had time for the line out, and when they kicked it out he blew the full time whistle? (can't remember if they took to long to kick it or what).

Yes it was against Wales! We were losing 23-20, had a penalty but turned it down as we wanted to go for the win rather than draw, checked if we had time, ref said yes, kicked to the corner, and then the ref checked with someone in his ear (TMO?) and then blew up and we lost 23-20!!!

Remember it well. Chris White was done like a kipper by whomever was in his ear with the clock. Wales had to win that game having lost the first three, but that game did for Gareth Jenkins' coaching credibility more than any other - even though they won their last game against England.

IIRC he didn't ask the ref was there time for a linout.  He asked " can we kick for touch" and was told yes

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Post by Griff on Wed 21 Dec 2016, 10:11 am

TJ wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
Griff wrote:
Kingshu wrote:Does anyone remember something similar happening Italy in the 6 nations years ago.

The ref said they had time for the line out, and when they kicked it out he blew the full time whistle? (can't remember if they took to long to kick it or what).

Yes it was against Wales! We were losing 23-20, had a penalty but turned it down as we wanted to go for the win rather than draw, checked if we had time, ref said yes, kicked to the corner, and then the ref checked with someone in his ear (TMO?) and then blew up and we lost 23-20!!!

Remember it well. Chris White was done like a kipper by whomever was in his ear with the clock. Wales had to win that game having lost the first three, but that game did for Gareth Jenkins' coaching credibility more than any other - even though they won their last game against England.

IIRC he didn't ask the ref was there time for a linout.  He asked " can we kick for touch" and was told yes

Just watched it on YouTube. You can't hear what Hook asks at all. However, you can hear White say "yes, if you go for it now" which Hook immediately did. White also apologised which I doubt he would have done unless there was a mistake:

"Referee Chris White has apologised to Wales over the "misunderstanding" at the end of Saturday's Six Nations defeat to Italy in Rome.
Wales were incensed when White blew for time after they had kicked into touch believing there was time for a lineout.

"I have apologised to the Wales coaching and playing staff for the misunderstanding," said White.

"I would like to thank them for the good grace with which my apology was accepted."

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Post by The Great Aukster on Wed 21 Dec 2016, 10:56 am

Chris White apologised for the mistake, even though he had been misinformed - it's a pity Jonathan Kaplan couldn't have done the same, when he was just as culpable as Peter Allan.

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