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Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 3:32 pm

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Oops. 21-0 to Clermont already.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 11:33 am

Pete330v2 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Still would have been playing against 15 sure if he went off Whistle

He was actually one guy we could have done with being off the field too

I missed the incident altogether. Is there any footage anywhere?

https://youtu.be/v5WSY0Axed4

To me he doesn't seem to make contact with the eye but the neck instead

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Pete330v2 on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 11:37 am

marty2086 wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Still would have been playing against 15 sure if he went off Whistle

He was actually one guy we could have done with being off the field too

I missed the incident altogether. Is there any footage anywhere?

https://youtu.be/v5WSY0Axed4

To me he doesn't seem to make contact with the eye but the neck instead

It looks like his hand did slip across Luke's face although out of sight in that shot. By the time you see his hand it's slipping up the side of his head. Very hard to see but it looks entirely accidental to me. Harsh or not ?

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 11:44 am

Depends how you look at it, he essentially got the same ban as Ashton but got a greater reduction for his record etc

It was fairly innocuous but the ban is to enforce behaviour and awareness

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by VID on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 9:51 am

Just read an article from Pundit Arena in which the Clermont coach Franck Azéma is very unhappy re the citing process. Does he have a point and could Best be facing a ban?

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by geoff999rugby on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 10:39 am

VID wrote:Just read an article from Pundit Arena in which the Clermont coach Franck Azéma is very unhappy re the citing process. Does he have a point and could Best be facing a ban?

No because the time period when citings can be made has elapsed

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Munchkin on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 12:09 pm

VID wrote:Just read an article from Pundit Arena in which the Clermont coach Franck Azéma is very unhappy re the citing process. Does he have a point and could Best be facing a ban?

No, he can't be banned. Not sure if he has a point. I would need to see video clips of both incidents.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 12:24 pm

Munchkin wrote:
VID wrote:Just read an article from Pundit Arena in which the Clermont coach Franck Azéma is very unhappy re the citing process. Does he have a point and could Best be facing a ban?

No, he can't be banned. Not sure if he has a point. I would need to see video clips of both incidents.

He doesnt have a point, from recollection there were 3 sets of hands involved in the Best incident, his Marshalls and the Clermont player and it looked like two of them made contact with the face including the Clermont player when wrestling for the ball

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Munchkin on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 12:33 pm

If it was when the Clermont guy held the ball in front of his own face, then it would have been an accident. I would need to see the Marshall one to know if it was an accident. I remember he wasn't happy about something, but no more than that.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by clivemcl on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 2:52 pm

I wonder where we all stand on the following. IF there was eye contact, and intentionally so, Ulster would have been playing 14 men. When the incident happened, Marshall went down clutching his face, but the game play and ref were long gone.

Would anyone endorse Marshall hounding the touch judge, or hounding the ref later, or even getting in a tussle with the player just to bring awareness that something had happened.

If the ref had been aware and looked to the TMO we may have seen the required angles and it could have had a big impact on the game.

Any supporters of the tennis-like idea of being able to call upon the ref to take a look at things?

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Pete330v2 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 3:40 pm

"Any supporters of the tennis-like idea of being able to call upon the ref to take a look at things?"

Absolutely not. We have enough stoppages with whistle-happy refs and the insecure refs who need 5 minutes of TMO debate before doin what they are employed to actually do.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by clivemcl on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 3:48 pm

Even if it meant you could get a player penalised correctly and enjoy an extra man advantage?

Do you think Marshall should have/ could have done any more to get the incident addressed at the time??

It isnt much consolation when players get banned afterwards. That only benefits the other teams in their upcoming fixtures!

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Pete330v2 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 4:04 pm

Definately not Clive. You know our luck with these things. We'd fall foul more often than we'd make any gains. I believe only the captains should ever speak to a ref otherwise we'll edge closer to the soccer treatment of refs.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by clivemcl on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 4:10 pm

Yea, I get you. Still though, we've seen it before. Similar kind of foul play gets looked at when there's a 'kerfuffle'!
If Marshall grabbed someone, shoved someone etc.... A few more players run in, all of a sudden the reflistens to the complaints and there you have it, a TMO review. But a player on the ground clutching his face, the officials don't want to know...

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by geoff999rugby on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 4:18 pm

I'm with Pete I want to get home before midnight.

Lets not drag it out into a multi hour bore like USA football and baseball

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 10:26 pm

Best 'Gouge'

This apparently is what Clermont think Rory should have been cited for Rolling Eyes

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Cyril on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 10:43 pm

Difficult to tell what happened. I'm sure if it was Ashton or Hartley it would be a 'gouge'.

Is Best still an acceptable captain for the Lions? The doubt is there.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 10:44 pm

In the spirit of the season do bore of you sad b@stard

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Cyril on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 10:50 pm

Pleasant as always Smile

Do you not realise how you only see things one way?

I'm not getting personal with anyone so why the offensive language?

You are happy to post forever and a day on Hartley and other English 'offences' and yet you have to post back aggressively when someone questions an Irish player.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 10:57 pm

Calling it as I see it

You made claims yesterday you were asked to back up, we're still waiting

You're a troll

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Cyril on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 11:01 pm

marty2086 wrote:Calling it as I see it

You made claims yesterday you were asked to back up, we're still waiting

You're a troll
I'm a troll? I like a bit of an edgy discussion, but I'm not trolling. Honest.

You live on threads about any disciplinary issues for English players. Irish players must be innocent of all charges.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 11:02 pm

Good one @sshole

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Cyril on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 11:05 pm

Just unpleasant. No need for that at all Sad

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 11:12 pm

No your sad unsubstantiated claims arent needed but you still keep going and here you are again doing it all over

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Cyril on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 11:16 pm

marty2086 wrote:No your sad unsubstantiated claims arent needed but you still keep going and here you are again doing it all over
Hmmmm.

Why is it ok for you to post your unsubstantiated claims?

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Cyril on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 11:16 pm

Also, since when is it ok to post offensive posts like you have?

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by geoff999rugby on Sun 25 Dec 2016, 10:24 am

Cyril is both a troll and a windup merchant - ask to backup a serious slur on Irish rugby on the George North thread we were met with silence,

The reference here on Best questioning on whether Best is fit for the Lions is another example

Claiming if it was Ashton or Hartley it would be viewed differently is another example

If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and walks like a duck - its a duck

Merry Christmas by the way to all supporters of all clubs and all nationalities


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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by Cyril on Sun 25 Dec 2016, 11:38 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Cyril is both a troll and a windup merchant - ask to backup a serious slur on Irish rugby on the George North thread we were met with silence,

The reference here on Best questioning on whether Best is fit for the Lions is another example

Claiming if it was Ashton or Hartley it would be viewed differently is another example

If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and walks like a duck - its a duck

Merry Christmas by the way to all supporters of all clubs and all nationalities

First of all, Merry Christmas to all too Smile

Secondly, why is it ok to make serious slurs against other clubs/countries and not others?

I was thinking about Marshall and O'Driscoll in terms of lack of care.

geoff/marty, we can discuss without getting personal I hope.

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by geoff999rugby on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 10:55 am

Cyril in what way have other clubs - I assume you are talking about Saints been slured ?

With respect to BOD and Marshall what specific instances are you referring to you that warrant the statement that the Irish have been worse in there duty of care to players than the duty of care shown to North ?

My frustration with your posts is you make claims but do not back them up with specifics that we can debate in a rational way.
Please post specifics and we can discuss

As to the off the cuff comments re Best and Ashton/Hartley I don't see how that can be considered as anything other than a deliberate wind up

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by geoff999rugby on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 11:03 am

On Marshall he has had 1 incident in near as damn it 3 years - of course that is 1 too many.

On none of his incidences has he been unconscious and on non of his incidence has he returned to the pitch.

By comparison North has, I believe, been unconscious 3 times and on 2 of those occasions returned to the pitch.
I do not see how those two can be compared.



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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by marty2086 on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 3:47 pm

Cyril your trolling, you dont like being called out for it then dont do it

The BOD incident did not see him knocked out and he passed the HIA, he also passed a HIA 6 months later and was still not allowed to go back on

As for Luke Marshall, if Im not mistaken he took a knock to the head earlier this year and didnt have a concussion but was kept out of action for a few weeks to be monitored

So your examples actually show going beyond the protocols closer to home

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 12:24 pm

Hartley - total banned time is over 1 year
Ashton - total banned time is over 6 months
Best - total banned time is ??? (I cant recall him ever being banned - correct me if I am wrong)

To compare them in terms of discipline is trolling

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Re: Clermont vs Ulster 18th December

Post by eirebilly on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 12:45 pm

I honestly cannot believe that Best is being questioned about the possibility of him Captaining the Lions. He is streaks ahead of the rest as a hooker and has developed into an excellent on field leader. In my mind, he is currently the standout out front runner to Captain the Lions.
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