Harlequins v Edinburgh Rugby, 14 January

by **George Carlin** Tue 10 Jan 2017, 5:40 pm

Harlequins v Edinburgh Rugby, 14 January Edinbo10

Harlequins v Edinburgh Rugby
Inconsequential Cup
Saturday 14 January 2017
KO 15:00
The Stoop, Twickers tallyho whatwhat

Not on poor people's television

Referee David Wilkinson (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Eddie Hogan-O'Connell (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 Oisin Quinn (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Yves Thieffine (France)

A. Head to Head

1 Played 1
0 Wins 1
1 Losses 0
0 Draws 0
35 Points 36

B. Recent European Form

Harlequins

17/12/16 - Quins 75 - 3 Timisoara

10/12/16 - Timisoara 3 - 42 Quins

22/10/16 - Edinburgh 36 - 35 Quins

Edinburgh

15/12/16 - SF Paris 26 - 20 Edinburgh

10/12/16 - Edinburgh 28 - 23 SF Paris

22/10/16 - Edinburgh 36 - 35 Quins

C. Teams

Harlequins
Harlequins v Edinburgh Rugby, 14 January Harley10

Harlequins v Edinburgh Rugby, 14 January Harley10

Brown; Yarde, Alofa, Marchant, Walker; Swiel, Care (capt); Murphy, Buchanan, Sinckler, Merrick, Matthews, Chisholm, Ward, Clifford.

Replacements: Gray, Jones, Shields, Luamanu, Wallace, Dickson, Jackson, Hopper.

Edinburgh Rugby

Kinghorn, Hoyland, Dean, Burleigh, Brown, Weir, Kennedy, Dell, Ford, Nel, McKenzie, Toolis, Bradbury, Watson, du Preez.

Replacements: Cochrane, Cosgrove, Berghan, Carmichael, Mata, Hidalgo-Clyne, Tovey, Allen.

by **RDW** Tue 10 Jan 2017, 5:45 pm

First proper match thread in a while for Edinburgh - is that just because you really wanted to post a picture of Harley Quinn? Very Happy

I was going to go to this game but then discovered that the cheap seats start at £35 each, with more reasonable seats even more expensive. 'quins usually get big crowds so they must make a lot of ticket money!

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Tue 10 Jan 2017, 6:31 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:First proper match thread in a while for Edinburgh - is that just because you really wanted to post a picture of Harley Quinn?

I was going to go to this game but then discovered that the cheap seats start at £35 each, with more reasonable seats even more expensive. 'quins usually get big crowds so they must make a lot of ticket money!

You can take the man out of Scotland....

by **RDW** Tue 10 Jan 2017, 6:32 pm

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:First proper match thread in a while for Edinburgh - is that just because you really wanted to post a picture of Harley Quinn?

I was going to go to this game but then discovered that the cheap seats start at £35 each, with more reasonable seats even more expensive. 'quins usually get big crowds so they must make a lot of ticket money!

You can take the man out of Scotland....

Would you pay £35 fur a seat at the front behind the posts to watch Edinburgh??

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Tue 10 Jan 2017, 6:42 pm

To watch Edinburgh? It would be cheap at twice that price! Although you can't truly put a price on that feeling you get while watching Duncan Weir miss touch with a penalty, as I'm sure a future MasterCard advert will tell us

by **George Carlin** Tue 10 Jan 2017, 6:42 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:First proper match thread in a while for Edinburgh - is that just because you really wanted to post a picture of Harley Quinn?

I was going to go to this game but then discovered that the cheap seats start at £35 each, with more reasonable seats even more expensive. 'quins usually get big crowds so they must make a lot of ticket money!

You can take the man out of Scotland....

Would you pay £35 fur a seat at the front behind the posts to watch Edinburgh??

Mind you, at least for that sort of money Edinburgh fans will be comforted to see the familiar sight of Tim Visser running in a crapload of tries.

by ChequeredJersey Tue 10 Jan 2017, 8:03 pm

Exciting game, we are rubbish most of the time right now but undefeated at home in all competitions so I am hopeful we will continue the streak! No Robshaw a big loss. Hope Visser gets a run out and we see more of his awesome scoring than his dire defence!

by ChequeredJersey Tue 10 Jan 2017, 8:10 pm

Have England stolen our players yet? Depending on that and whether recent injuries are back, the team could look anything from:

Brown
Visser
Marchant
Roberts (not that his form has been great but we have literally no other 12s)
Yarde
Evans
Care
Clifford
Wallace
Chisholm
Horwill
Merrick
Sinckler
Buchanan
Marler

Evans, Ward, Jones, Reddish, Luamanu the red card machine, Dickson, Swiel, Walker/Alofa

To this:

Morris
Walker
Marchant
Frak knows
Alofa
Swiel
Dickson
Luamanu (think he's back, say hello to a red card...)
Wallace
Naopu
Matthews
South
Jones
Buchanan
Evans

???, Gray, Shields, ???, Ward, Muchrone, Lang, Cheesman

by tigertattie Wed 11 Jan 2017, 9:22 am

looking forward to this one!

On average, Edinburgh score 36 points in this fixture................

by Hazel Sapling Wed 11 Jan 2017, 10:11 am

No international players should be missing or else the Pro 12 teams would be ruined. Is Jackson out injured again? Last I heard, I thought he had been playing well.

by **RDW** Wed 11 Jan 2017, 10:24 am

Hazel Sapling wrote:No international players should be missing or else the Pro 12 teams would be ruined. Is Jackson out injured again? Last I heard, I thought he had been playing well.

Nick Evans returned and he appeared to be dropped straight away, which is a shame because by all accounts a run of games was doing him good.

by Hazel Sapling Wed 11 Jan 2017, 11:03 am

I don't understand that. If Jackson is playing well (and kicking acceptably), Quins have more to gain playing him than Evans who is in the twilight of his career.

by **RDW** Wed 11 Jan 2017, 11:12 am

One of the quins fans probably knows more about it but quins seem hell bent on picking Evans regardless of how he fit he is. He's hardly been fit all season yet gets thrown back in, only to get injured again!

by EST Wed 11 Jan 2017, 12:17 pm

The last I saw of Jackson at quins was in the defeat to Worcester the game before last, where he put one of the most woeful tackle attempt imaginable on Ben Te'o for one of their tries, at least I think it was Jackson.

by funnyExiledScot Wed 11 Jan 2017, 5:23 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:First proper match thread in a while for Edinburgh - is that just because you really wanted to post a picture of Harley Quinn?

I was going to go to this game but then discovered that the cheap seats start at £35 each, with more reasonable seats even more expensive. 'quins usually get big crowds so they must make a lot of ticket money!

You can take the man out of Scotland....

Would you pay £35 fur a seat at the front behind the posts to watch Edinburgh??

Some things will never change, you cheap sod!

I think Edinburgh will get stuffed, so it wouldn't be the ticket price keeping me away. I'd go to the Natural History Museum instead.

by ChequeredJersey Wed 11 Jan 2017, 8:19 pm

Jackson was kicking well but arguably whether he was playing well- I'd say Swiel is our best 10 on form

by ChequeredJersey Wed 11 Jan 2017, 8:21 pm

Evans might be concussed thanks to a high, shoulder only, seemingly intentional hit to the face off the ball leading to him leaving the field, which was not penalised nor cited against Sale despite the new directives. Very odd

by mid_gen Thu 12 Jan 2017, 9:21 am

Swiel is definitely our best 10 this season, a bit flaky at times but I want to see him get a good run of games to gain experience. He has a lot of potential.

by propdavid_london Thu 12 Jan 2017, 10:18 am

Jackson at the moment seems better covering 10/15 from the bench.
As said Swiel is in pole position for me - not Sure what Kingston thinks to be honest!

As I understand it there are a number of permutations for this game. Do Quins have to win and prevent Edinburgh from gaining a LBP? or something like that?

by **RDW** Thu 12 Jan 2017, 1:35 pm

Quins are 2 points ahead of Edinburgh so any win should guarantee them top of the group, although it might get complicated if they only get 4 points and Edinburgh get 1, then Edinburgh get a BP win against TS and quins lose away to SF with nothing....so you may be right that 4 points for quins and nothing for Edinburgh will see you home!

Here's the pool placing criteria

2.3 The five pool winners and three best-placed runners-up will qualify for the quarter-finals and will be decided as follows:
(a) The pool winner will be the club with the highest number of match points in each pool. The best-placed runners-up will be the three clubs with the highest number of match points out of the five clubs that finish second in their respective pools. For the quarter-finals, the pool winners will be ranked 1 to 5 and the best-placed runners-up 6 and 8 by reference to the number of match points earned.

(b) If two clubs in the same pool are equal on match points at the end of the pool stage, their ranking will be determined by the results of the two matches played between the relevant clubs as follows:
(i) the club with the greater number of match points from those matches; or
(ii) if equal, the club with the best aggregate points difference from those matches: or
(iii) if equal, the club that scored the most tries in those matches.

by **RDW** Fri 13 Jan 2017, 11:58 am

Edinburgh name a full strength team (injuries aside) - Nel return!

Tighthead prop WP Nel is among four changes to Edinburgh Rugby’s starting XV to face Harlequins in tomorrow’s (Saturday 14 January) round five European Challenge Cup clash at Twickenham Stoop (kick-off 3pm).

WP Nel returns to face Quins

Scotland cap Nel – who has been out of action with a neck injury since October – comes in to take the number three jersey in one of two changes to the starting pack.

The other amendment comes in the back-row where Hamish Watson – who this week signed a new two-year deal with the club – starts on the openside flank.

In the backline, experienced operator Phil Burleigh returns at inside-centre, with club centurion Tom Brown set to start on the left wing.

Acting Head Coach, Duncan Hodge, said: “There’s a lot at stake for both sides tomorrow, which makes for an exciting tie.

“Harlequins’ home record speaks for itself, and we have no doubt about the size of task ahead, but there is a good buzz in camp and a belief that we can go down to London and do what is required of us.

“The last match between the two sides was an open, fluid and attack-focussed affair but we’re two months down the line and conditions could play a big part in the return-leg.

“We’ve named a fairly consistent squad with a lot of players meriting re-selection off the back of a good win away to Zebre. We hope those coming in bring their experience to the fore in tomorrow’s match.”

Blair Kinghorn, Damien Hoyland and Brown – all of whom scored against Quins at BT Murrayfield in October – start as the back-three.

Hogmanay try-scorer against Zebre, Chris Dean, retains his starting spot in the number 13 jersey and joins Burleigh in midfield, while Sean Kennedy and Duncan Weir continue as the half-back pairing.

Nel joins Ross Ford and Allan Dell up-front to form an all Scotland international front-row, with Fraser McKenzie and Ben Toolis continuing in the boiler-room.

Magnus Bradbury starts on the blindside flank, with Watson on the openside and Cornell Du Preez remaining at number eight.

Edinburgh Rugby team to play Harlequins in the European Rugby Challenge Cup at Twickenham Stoop tomorrow (Saturday 14 January, kick-off 3pm)

15. Blair Kinghorn

14. Damien Hoyland
13. Chris Dean
12. Phil Burleigh
11. Tom Brown

10. Duncan Weir
9. Sean Kennedy

1. Allan Dell
2. Ross Ford CAPTAIN
3. WP Nel
4. Fraser McKenzie
5. Ben Toolis
6. Magnus Bradbury
7. Hamish Watson
8. Cornell Du Preez

Replacements

16. Neil Cochrane
17. Jack Cosgrove
18. Simon Berghan
19. Lewis Carmichael
20. Viliame Mata
21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
22. Jason Tovey
23. Michael Allen

Players unavailable due to injury: Felipe Arregui (calf), Nick Beavon (neck), Kevin Bryce (shoulder), Alasdair Dickinson (foot), John Hardie (ankle), Nasi Manu (shoulder), Alex Northam (Achilles), Rory Scholes (Achilles), Rory Sutherland (groin), Kyle Whyte (knee)

Personally I would have picked SHC at 9, Tovey at 10 and Allen at 13.

by demosthenes Fri 13 Jan 2017, 12:02 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Edinburgh name a full strength team (injuries aside) - Nel return!

Tighthead prop WP Nel is among four changes to Edinburgh Rugby’s starting XV to face Harlequins in tomorrow’s (Saturday 14 January) round five European Challenge Cup clash at Twickenham Stoop (kick-off 3pm).

WP Nel returns to face Quins

Scotland cap Nel – who has been out of action with a neck injury since October – comes in to take the number three jersey in one of two changes to the starting pack.

The other amendment comes in the back-row where Hamish Watson – who this week signed a new two-year deal with the club – starts on the openside flank.

In the backline, experienced operator Phil Burleigh returns at inside-centre, with club centurion Tom Brown set to start on the left wing.

Acting Head Coach, Duncan Hodge, said: “There’s a lot at stake for both sides tomorrow, which makes for an exciting tie.

“Harlequins’ home record speaks for itself, and we have no doubt about the size of task ahead, but there is a good buzz in camp and a belief that we can go down to London and do what is required of us.

“The last match between the two sides was an open, fluid and attack-focussed affair but we’re two months down the line and conditions could play a big part in the return-leg.

“We’ve named a fairly consistent squad with a lot of players meriting re-selection off the back of a good win away to Zebre. We hope those coming in bring their experience to the fore in tomorrow’s match.”

Blair Kinghorn, Damien Hoyland and Brown – all of whom scored against Quins at BT Murrayfield in October – start as the back-three.

Hogmanay try-scorer against Zebre, Chris Dean, retains his starting spot in the number 13 jersey and joins Burleigh in midfield, while Sean Kennedy and Duncan Weir continue as the half-back pairing.

Nel joins Ross Ford and Allan Dell up-front to form an all Scotland international front-row, with Fraser McKenzie and Ben Toolis continuing in the boiler-room.

Magnus Bradbury starts on the blindside flank, with Watson on the openside and Cornell Du Preez remaining at number eight.

Edinburgh Rugby team to play Harlequins in the European Rugby Challenge Cup at Twickenham Stoop tomorrow (Saturday 14 January, kick-off 3pm)

15. Blair Kinghorn

14. Damien Hoyland
13. Chris Dean
12. Phil Burleigh
11. Tom Brown

10. Duncan Weir
9. Sean Kennedy

1. Allan Dell
2. Ross Ford CAPTAIN
3. WP Nel
4. Fraser McKenzie
5. Ben Toolis
6. Magnus Bradbury
7. Hamish Watson
8. Cornell Du Preez

Replacements

16. Neil Cochrane
17. Jack Cosgrove
18. Simon Berghan
19. Lewis Carmichael
20. Viliame Mata
21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
22. Jason Tovey
23. Michael Allen

Players unavailable due to injury: Felipe Arregui (calf), Nick Beavon (neck), Kevin Bryce (shoulder), Alasdair Dickinson (foot), John Hardie (ankle), Nasi Manu (shoulder), Alex Northam (Achilles), Rory Scholes (Achilles), Rory Sutherland (groin), Kyle Whyte (knee)

Personally I would have picked SHC at 9, Tovey at 10 and Allen at 13.

Gilchrist completely out of favour?

by **RDW** Fri 13 Jan 2017, 12:06 pm

demosthenes wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Edinburgh name a full strength team (injuries aside) - Nel return!

Tighthead prop WP Nel is among four changes to Edinburgh Rugby’s starting XV to face Harlequins in tomorrow’s (Saturday 14 January) round five European Challenge Cup clash at Twickenham Stoop (kick-off 3pm).

WP Nel returns to face Quins

Scotland cap Nel – who has been out of action with a neck injury since October – comes in to take the number three jersey in one of two changes to the starting pack.

The other amendment comes in the back-row where Hamish Watson – who this week signed a new two-year deal with the club – starts on the openside flank.

In the backline, experienced operator Phil Burleigh returns at inside-centre, with club centurion Tom Brown set to start on the left wing.

Acting Head Coach, Duncan Hodge, said: “There’s a lot at stake for both sides tomorrow, which makes for an exciting tie.

“Harlequins’ home record speaks for itself, and we have no doubt about the size of task ahead, but there is a good buzz in camp and a belief that we can go down to London and do what is required of us.

“The last match between the two sides was an open, fluid and attack-focussed affair but we’re two months down the line and conditions could play a big part in the return-leg.

“We’ve named a fairly consistent squad with a lot of players meriting re-selection off the back of a good win away to Zebre. We hope those coming in bring their experience to the fore in tomorrow’s match.”

Blair Kinghorn, Damien Hoyland and Brown – all of whom scored against Quins at BT Murrayfield in October – start as the back-three.

Hogmanay try-scorer against Zebre, Chris Dean, retains his starting spot in the number 13 jersey and joins Burleigh in midfield, while Sean Kennedy and Duncan Weir continue as the half-back pairing.

Nel joins Ross Ford and Allan Dell up-front to form an all Scotland international front-row, with Fraser McKenzie and Ben Toolis continuing in the boiler-room.

Magnus Bradbury starts on the blindside flank, with Watson on the openside and Cornell Du Preez remaining at number eight.

Edinburgh Rugby team to play Harlequins in the European Rugby Challenge Cup at Twickenham Stoop tomorrow (Saturday 14 January, kick-off 3pm)

15. Blair Kinghorn

14. Damien Hoyland
13. Chris Dean
12. Phil Burleigh
11. Tom Brown

10. Duncan Weir
9. Sean Kennedy

1. Allan Dell
2. Ross Ford CAPTAIN
3. WP Nel
4. Fraser McKenzie
5. Ben Toolis
6. Magnus Bradbury
7. Hamish Watson
8. Cornell Du Preez

Replacements

16. Neil Cochrane
17. Jack Cosgrove
18. Simon Berghan
19. Lewis Carmichael
20. Viliame Mata
21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
22. Jason Tovey
23. Michael Allen

Players unavailable due to injury: Felipe Arregui (calf), Nick Beavon (neck), Kevin Bryce (shoulder), Alasdair Dickinson (foot), John Hardie (ankle), Nasi Manu (shoulder), Alex Northam (Achilles), Rory Scholes (Achilles), Rory Sutherland (groin), Kyle Whyte (knee)

Personally I would have picked SHC at 9, Tovey at 10 and Allen at 13.

Gilchrist completely out of favour?

It is a strange one - he's not listed as injured but surely he's a better bench option than an Academy lock?

by **BigGee** Fri 13 Jan 2017, 12:19 pm

I think this might add to the rumours that Gilchrist is off to Gloucester next season. He has not been pulling his weight this year and the coaches might finally have sussed that, better to carry on trying to develop Carmichael for the future.

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 13 Jan 2017, 12:26 pm

An incredibly liberal use of the term 'full strength' there given that Weir is starting and Tovey isn't injured. Great to see Nel back!

by **LondonTiger** Fri 13 Jan 2017, 12:38 pm

Harlequins team
15. Mike Brown
14. Marland Yarde
13. Alofa Alofa
12. Joe Marchant
11. Charlie Walker
10. Tim Swiel
9. Danny Care (C)

1. Dan Murphy
2. Rob Buchanan
3. Kyle Sinckler
4. George Merrick
5. Charlie Matthews
6. James Chisholm
7. Dave Ward
8. Jack Clifford

16. Joe Gray
17. Adam Jones
18. Matt Shields
19. Mat Luamanu
20. Luke Wallace
21. Karl Dickson
22. Ruaridh Jackson
23. Matt Hopper

by mid_gen Fri 13 Jan 2017, 1:35 pm

Finally we see Walker starting, the man is a try-machine it baffles me why he doesn't start every week.

by propdavid_london Fri 13 Jan 2017, 1:50 pm

And Swiel starting too. Is Visser injured still?

by formerly known as Sam Fri 13 Jan 2017, 1:56 pm

Not quite desperation for Quins, they've not had to fill spots on the bench with academy lads. There's a lot of players missing though that could be said for Edinburgh as well. Surely Quins won't crumple at the Stoop?

by propdavid_london Fri 13 Jan 2017, 2:00 pm

Anything is possible at the moment Sam.

I'm not up to date with the squad - Where is Roberts, Visser, Horwell, Collier, Twomey?

Know about Marler and Robshaw.

Any updates of George Lowe

by **RDW** Fri 13 Jan 2017, 2:01 pm

mid_gen wrote:Finally we see Walker starting, the man is a try-machine it baffles me why he doesn't start every week.

It's not like your other number 11 - Tim Visser - hasn't been scoring tries for you with 17 tries in 28 appearances!

by formerly known as Sam Fri 13 Jan 2017, 2:05 pm

propdavid_london wrote:Anything is possible at the moment Sam.

I'm not up to date with the squad - Where is Roberts, Visser, Horwell, Collier, Twomey?

Know about Marler and Robshaw.

Any updates of George Lowe

I think I heard Lowe had a back problem. Presume that's not a quick fix.

by funnyExiledScot Fri 13 Jan 2017, 2:47 pm

Agree with RDW - I'd have SH-C, Tovey and Allan.

Kennedy I can understand, as SH-C still hasn't done a huge amount, but Weir over Tovey is just plain wrong. As for Chris Dean, I haven't yet figured out what he does. Allan is more dynamic in attack.

by **RDW** Fri 13 Jan 2017, 3:01 pm

To be fair Dean has been a lot better this year - you barely noticed him last season but he is contributing a lot more to games now. He's even shown good pace in the odd interception try or run-in that he's done.

Saying that, our attack seems to be more blunt with him at 13 compared to Allan - him and Burleigh got nowhere against Glasgow and I worry it will be the same against quins.

by Hazel Sapling Fri 13 Jan 2017, 3:40 pm

Edinburgh are going to have to brutalise the Quins in the front 5. It has been poor weather down here so the pitch ought to be in bad shape. Gilchrist has turned into Warburton (poor for his club, decent for his country) and having McKenzie in there may make for a better partnership. Quins are so much more dangerous in the backs that being spreading the ball may be the wrong strategy.

by propdavid_london Fri 13 Jan 2017, 3:53 pm

And now an injury press release that answers my own questions! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38610978

by **George Carlin** Sat 14 Jan 2017, 3:50 pm

Nobody watching?

6-13 to Edinburgh at the moment.

by **RDW** Sat 14 Jan 2017, 3:52 pm

It's not on TV!

by cakeordeath Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:17 pm

Quins have a player sent to the bin

by **George Carlin** Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:19 pm

Yes, second yellow of the game for them.

I find following the live feed much less stressful than actually watching Edinburgh.

by **George Carlin** Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:29 pm

by cakeordeath Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:33 pm

Really interested on how Nel and CDP are playing

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:36 pm

CDP just been taken off at 63 minutes, tactical change it sounds like

by cakeordeath Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:38 pm

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:CDP just been taken off at 63 minutes, tactical change it sounds like

I wonder if Nel returned for his HIA?

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:39 pm

Not sure, they didn't say on the Edinburgh twitter feeed

by **RDW** Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:44 pm

Edinburgh - the team that loses to zebre at home but can beat Harlequins home and away! Headscratch

by **George Carlin** Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:44 pm

Third yellow for Quins. Jaysus - have their been sprinkling Crushed Angry on their Weetabix?

Nel didn't come back on according to the official match feed.

To make Quins' fans evening complete, Rhubarb Jackson has escaped onto the pitch.

by **RDW** Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:47 pm

Hamish Watson Motm.

by cakeordeath Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:47 pm

Quins have seen more yellow than a bunch of custard covered bananas

by cakeordeath Sat 14 Jan 2017, 4:49 pm

Denying Quins an LBP as well. Edinburgh certainly have the easiest final game, they must finish top now

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