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Post by KP_fan on Sun 15 Jan 2017, 6:26 pm

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Australia squad Steven Smith (capt), David Warner, Matt Renshaw, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh, Peter Handscomb, Glenn Maxwell, Matthew Wade (wk), Mitchell Marsh, Ashton Agar, Steve O'Keefe, Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, Josh Hazlewood, Jackson Bird, Nathan Lyon

Aus has declared their squad and they have 4 spinners + Maxwell who can bowl spin....and smith too can


and only 3 seamers in the squad....implies they will play 2 seamers and 3 spinners

india should produces pitches like they did vs NZ and SA.....krumblers and not the types they did vs Eng
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Post by guildfordbat on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 2:39 pm

Hi Pr4wn - no problem, sorry you had to get dragged in here. The cricket board is normally self regulating and so mods fortunately don't need to get involved.

Hi Electric - just say if you want me to repeat my reply about Ashwin not opening the bowling today.

Hi Sir Fred - I don't actually view Lyon as completely top class but I still like him a lot. As I've said before, he's an important cog in Australia's bowling machine and has been for some time. They wouldn't have done nearly as well in recent years without him. He's so willing and deserved his day in the sun today.
I met one of the wives of the Australian team last year, she's an English girl from around the corner - anyway, she said what a super guy that Lyon was off the pitch, a real joker apparently. Agree with VTR that he looks older than he is - he could have a very impressive haul of Test wickets by the time he does decide to call it a day.

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 2:46 pm

--India made the cardinal sin of preparing Lottery underprepared pitches...the type on whihc even a BD showed they can beat an Eng or any side....reduces the differential between sides...


--and then India had one bad crash in Pune first inning which dented them psychologically.

While Aus sensed the opportunity and have tried to raise their game.....Smith shut out India completely in Pune.

--Here in Bangalore I would say inspite of the crash game is still even yet......Aus could crash out for 100odd or go on to make something between 200-250 if even one or two of their guys can play a punch above their weight innings..

a complete lottery with Aus holding the mental edge over Indian....Kohli and Kumble have lost the plot a bit for now.....confused....wanting to come over the shockingly, embarrassing crash(es)...but not knowing how much to attack, how much to defend....and what's the right 11

--Kohli's successive dismissals and Indians usage of DRS have betrayed their desperation to  get the situation in control asap.

while playing 4 bowlers is  OK on this pitch......India should have had a 3rd spinner Kuldeep instead of Ishant....and go flat out with spin right from the start of the inning.

Some 2 guys from Indian  side need to stand up in the secnd inning and  play positively to get big 50s......
but before that Ind needs to use the pitch optimally and bundle out aussies quickly tomm

even a 4th inning chase of 100 on this pitch will give the bowling side a shot....but India would hope to not be so close and tight in their quest to equalize
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Post by msp83 on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 3:33 pm

KPF, this pitch has not been as bowler friendly as the pitch for the first game. There has been particularly liveliness from one end. Lyon has been getting a lot of bounce. Commentators were pointing out the value of side spin, and putting a lot of body into the delivery to make use of the pitch as such, not the strongest points of R Ashwin.
It has been pretty poor batting from the Indians. Rahane does look shot, Kohli's judgment hasn't been at peack level right through the 3 innings he has played, and even Pujara was struggling to pick the length today. Mukund was out to a full-toss, Nair had terrible charge and miss, and Rahane, while done in by a good one, never looked in control, and even the shot with which he got out, was poorly executed. Saha was useless with the bat yet again. Apart from the Bangladesh innings, he has failed in 7 of the last 8 inningses that he played. Time to send him packing, unless he can produce a career saving, match-turning performance in the rest of the game.
Australia might yet again manage a lead in the region of 150, and another innings defeat on the cards for the Indians?

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Post by Electric Demon on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 4:25 pm

No need Guildford - I read it, thanks

If you didn't see my reply I just thanked you for your welcome

Just to follow on from your point on Lyon, my soft spot for him comes from the Ashes test in Cardiff a couple of years back. He was fielding in the position just in front of where I was sitting all day, and he was taking a good bit of banter in a really good spirit and giving some back too. I took a liking to his personality then.

On talent, I agree he's no world beater, but he does a job and has a pretty decent record for it. His records in India now are something he should be really proud of too.

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Post by wisden on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 4:58 pm

Seen comments about Nathan Lyon, they must be a joke...guy has 230 odd test wickets at 30 odd apiece..clearly he is talented, and a good bowler..8-50, broken some records today and proven his worth to the side, good on him, well bowled.

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Post by VTR on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 5:13 pm

I think those negative comments about Lyon are best ignored. Very poor wind up attempt and from an England fan as well - what we would give for a spinner like Lyon at the moment

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Post by Electric Demon on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 5:16 pm

Hear hear

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Post by guildfordbat on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 5:21 pm

Wisden - other than one poster who has already had some of his comments moderated and deleted today, I think we all like Lyon and have certainly been impressed by what he has achieved. As VTR suggests, he is best ignored. After all and as you make clear, Lyon's record speaks for itself.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 5:27 pm

After the success of the Aus spinners in India, will Australia prepare turning wickets in the Ashes Tests coming up? England didn't seem to mind having near two-day Tests in 2015 with seamer-friendly tracks.

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Post by Gooseberry on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 5:46 pm

Not seen the moderated comments but I think we all agree that whilst he's one of the better spinners of the past decade his figures in this game, as with okeefes on the previous test, are better than anyone would have predicted. And frankly India should be scoring more runs than they are regardless of who they are facing.
I'd Ashwin and jadeja are struggling for wickets against a dodgy Australian batting line up the pitches can't be that helpful.

All round it's left the predictions looking pretty stupid...but not as bad as it's left the Indian batting look.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 6:33 pm

The series so far has been arguably one of the most surprising for years. Here was an Indian side seemingly impregnable at home against an Australian team quite averse to away Tests, particularly in India.
Yet what have we seen? An Indian side completely outplayed by a far-from-world-beating Australian side. The 2-0 or 3-0 scoreline I predicted may end up being accurate, except it was India I was forecasting to win!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 9:53 am

Not watching but just checked the scorecard - any reason why jadeja has only bowled 15 overs but ashwin has bowled 36?
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Post by Electric Demon on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 10:15 am

I'm not seeing it today either (now tv day pass is up. Haha) But yesterday, the pavilion end was turning and the other end not - might it still be the case and something to do with that?

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 11:07 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Not watching but just checked the scorecard - any reason why jadeja has only bowled 15 overs but ashwin has bowled 36?

Only recently been watching so can't properly answer. However, on comms, view has been expressed that Kohli's captaincy today has been pretty good other than the definite suggestion he's underbowled Jadeja, That obviously ties in with your point.

Comment made that slow lefties, like Jadeja, aren't at their best bowling to left handed batsmen and that kept him out of the attack a bit - that may be the case generally but I don't really buy it here, he's a Test bowler and already has 3 wickets today so didn't need to be hidden.

Besides Ashwin being the established number 1 bowler, one other factor today has probably been the Indian seamers both bowling very well and so sending down more overs than expected.

237/6 at close. Rather old fashioned Test cricket played today by both sides but no harm in that. One team clearly ahead at this stage but the other not out of it yet ....

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 11:15 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Not watching but just checked the scorecard - any reason why jadeja has only bowled 15 overs but ashwin has bowled 36?

A lot of the Aussie batting today was by left handers, & there was a lot of rough helping Ashwin's turn rather than Jadeja's in the other direction (he'd have been pitching wide and spinning wider). Also the seamers were getting decidedly variable bounce from one end. That said, Jadeja was bowling better than Ashwin & should've gotten more of a trundle.
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Post by sirfredperry on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 11:17 am

Although India are, as G'Bat says, not out of it, it will take some outstanding batting from them to get out of this. Now's the time for those who made mountains of runs against a poor England attack on easy wickets to get stuck in and grind out a score. But can they do it?

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Post by Electric Demon on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 11:18 am

Did anyone catch any of Renshaw's knock?
Seems like another good one on the face of the scoreboard alone.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 11:23 am

Electric Demon wrote:Did anyone catch any of Renshaw's knock?
Seems like another good one on the face of the scoreboard alone.

Only the Cricinfo commentary, but sounded composed & patient. He posted a nearly perfect double-Cowan too (Cricinfo commentators refer to scoring 30 off 100 balls as a "Cowan" due to Ed Cowan's habit of doing so) - 60 off 196.
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Post by alfie on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 11:27 am

Hi everyone...have been elsewhere (and apparently missed some aggro on here ? Surely not angel

Test match has been gripping if slow : but it really does look as if India are deep in a hole after two days. They've fought well today : you could question why Jadeja didn't bowl a bit more early on , but by and large I thought Kohli did well to maintain pressure on the batsmen ; some big hearted efforts from Ishant in particular , and Umesh , if Ashwin was again a little disappointing.
The Australian bats were generally equal to the challenge . Despite both Warner and Smith failing the excellent Renshaw and now Marsh have gutted it out and taken a lead which they will surely extend tomorrow against tired bowlers. Well played I say - in fact a good days Test Cricket all round.

India will still have a second innings to redeem themselves and try to set some difficult target. But if they're starting a hundred behind I'm having trouble seeing that happening...

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 11:29 am

sirfredperry wrote:Although India are, as G'Bat says, not out of it, it will take some outstanding batting from them to get out of this. Now's the time for those who made mountains of runs against a poor England attack on easy wickets to get stuck in and grind out a score.  But can they do it?

Add to that - India can't afford to muck about in the morning getting the last 4 Australian wickets.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 05 Mar 2017, 11:41 am

Hi Alfie - just seen your post, very much in agreement . It backs up my view that India need to wrap up Australia's late order and tail quickly in the morning. If they don't, they'll have precious little chance of being able to set a target that is beyond Australia's reach second time out.
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Post by VTR on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 10:23 am

India are building a decent lead here, I can see them winning this one. This innings is the kind that arms the Lyon critics - no wickets so far and not bowling too well it seems. I'd counter that by saying an 8-for in the first innings leaves it to someone else to step up second time around!

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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 10:37 am

Good fight back from India. Just waiting now, for the late-in-the-day wickets that almost always befall sides up against it. Should India start tomorrow morning only four down they have a good chance to win.

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Post by Electric Demon on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 11:05 am

From the scoreboard, it looks like some excellent test match batting from Pujara and Rahane - turned this one on its head. What do you think they need? Somewhere between 200 and 250?

That Nair looked pretty decent 1st innings - so they've got a great shout of putting this beyond reach. I'll be honest, when I woke up and saw Rahul and Kohli out I thought this would be over today.

Well done India

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 11:20 am

I saw the better part of Indian 2nd inning live..... and today was the first day in the series that I actually got to see any cricket at all....

Commentators are saying that the pitch  has eased and I can't say relatively if it has....but what I can say that there is still a lot in the pitch for quality spinners....if they get about 200 runs to bowl at.....

India still has Rahane, Pujara, Nair, Ashwin and Saha with the bat.,.....and so they should be able to put at least 200 lead from here...good to see Rahane has batted himself into some kind of forma...he did look good..

for the kind of "variability"...I read pitch did on D1...there must have been some uneven moisture in the pitch i.e a damp spot or two...

and once the " under-prepared pitch lottery factor" is taken out of the game....the class between the teams should stand out with both bat and ball...

I do agree with msp...Saha is living on borrowed time, unless he delivers a useful 40 with the bat tomorrow....

Mukund seems like Gambhir...past the peak at the very top level......
Having Parthiv in the side is essential...he is a better batsman than Mukund and Saha both...and if he plays as a WK will allow playing the 5th bowler again....

The move to send Jadeja was good intent.......hoping to take  the momentum away if he scored even a run a ball 35 odd....BUT 2 problems with that....
--the international cricketing community is clever...they exposed the weakness Jadeja has against pacers even on a non seaming pitch
--and Jadeja himself delivers some reasons when the expectations are low from him and match situation no too tense...i.e easy runs.

Rahane is crucial for India....must bat through tomm and others around him....
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Post by alfie on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 12:01 pm

Another gripping day of Test Cricket ... And bravo India for a brilliant fight back clap
They didn't panic as the lead reached eighty - and were rewarded with 4 wickets for 7 to keep it manageable ...and they've batted with spirit and concentration (and a bit of luck - but fair enough ; both sides have had some of that at times)

126 on : reckon India are a good first hour away from becoming favorite - and I'd have given you long odds on that yesterday !

Terrific gutsy batting from Rahul and the previously out of touch Pujara and Rahane . Surprisingly still nothing from Kohli , though he was a little unlucky today with a nasty low ball and a marginal decision.
Lyon looked to be feeling the effects of a lot of overs ; and I fancy Hazlewood might in the morning too. Of course the same tiredness factor may weigh on Ishant , Ashwin etc later on so they'll be hoping the batsmen keep going a while yet...

Cracking match. Still can't call it.

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Post by msp83 on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 12:58 pm

Finally, India fully turned up for a session. Even when they managed to stay in the game on the first day of the series, it was by pulling the rug from under Australian feet after the visitors were dominating for the greater duration. But Pujara and Rahane, not on top form previously, found a way to fight, found a way to survive, so that India have managed to avoid a 3 day loss that was on the card when they were 120-4.
Relieved the most to see Rahane getting back to some sort of touch. Pujara had lots of luck early in his innings as Lyon nearly had him some 3 times in 2 overs. But he overcame that and batted himself into a bit of fluency. Needs to start all over again tomorrow morning, and continue to do it for quite some time.
With Mukund, I don't know if its a Gambhir like scenario. The lad is only 26 it should be remembered. Unlike Gambhir, he never had a peak at the top level, and again unlike Gambhir, Mukund has been consistently getting big runs at the FC level for the last couple of seasons. He did suffer form loss at domestic level after his initial experience at the top level and the subsequent drop from the Indian team, but he has been doing quite well for TN in the last couple of seasons. But there are technical issues with him. Hopefully Vijay will be back for the next game, but Mukund should be the reserve opener along with the double up reserve from Parthiv Patel.

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Post by msp83 on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 1:00 pm

What the Indian batsmen did different in this innings was to bat with a lot more intent. They kept looking for singles and pushed for 2s whenever there was a chance. Even Cheteshwar Pujara, with his troubled knees was pushed to run hard for every quick single and every available 2 that could be pushed for, and he himself was charging out and taking the initiative many a times.

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Post by msp83 on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 1:10 pm

Virat hasn't been anywhere near his best with the bat in this series, his judgment with the line, as well as with his reviews has been poor. Even as a captain, he struggled a bit. Ravindra Jadeja, India's best bowler of the series so far, was terribly underbowled. Ravichandran Ashwin is showing the effects of the long season. Jadeja has played all the home tests, but it was Ashwin who did most of the work in Shami's company in the West Indies series that was just before the home season. Jadeja looked the better bowler in the first test, he did the same here on day 2 as well. But Virat just didn't use him enough. Despite, he finished with 6 for 63! Even no-hoper Ishant (to be fair he didn't bowl badly at all) bowled more than Jadeja did!
Don't have a problem with promoting Jadeja up the order, perhaps the skipper was telling Jadeja that he's valued in different ways by the side, but Jadeja didn't make the opportunity count, though he had said that he considers himself a proper test batsman at test level, after he made that 90 against England.
India are still hanging on in this test match. There is Pujara and Rahane, and there is Karun Nair and Ashwin after that. Ashwin hasn't made runs as yet in this series, and Rahane and Pujara will have to start things all over again in the morning and if they get through the first half hour, will have to deal with Mitchell Starc with the new ball. So Australia pretty much ahead at this stage, but if the Indians can continue to fight, continue to make further advance, into the 2nd session of tomorrow, push that lead beyond 250, then they are in with a chance. With Ashwin struggling, anything less than that, Australia will reach there.......

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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 1:26 pm

Looks like a good Test and India right back in this. I thought they'd had it after day two. I would ask those who have been watching. Has the fightback been due to better batting or less-incisive bowling, or maybe even just that bit of luck batsmen need on a tricky wicket?

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Post by msp83 on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 1:46 pm

The batting has most certainly been better, lot more intent than in the previous 3 innings.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 6:20 pm

India needs to lose no more than a wicket in the first hour and bat the first session to put a fighting total
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 6:04 am

KP_fan wrote:India needs to lose no more than a wicket in the first hour and bat the first session to put a fighting total
Well that wasn't to be....

and what a spectacular collapse.....

and not to spinners.....but to the new ball....Starc's 151 kph booming inswingers....can be almost unplayable 

and Hazlewood's wickets all came to the up and down nature of the pitch.


188 is what Aus needs....not as much as India would have liked to set....but with a  50-50 chance ofo defending

16 runs for the last wicket and Saha's 20* are vital in the context


Great opportunity for Aus to show some application ,  character and take an unassailable 2-0
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Post by sirfredperry on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:02 am

With Australia 71-3 it's still anybody's match.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:12 am

74-4...the 90mph....uneven bounce skiddy deliveries of Umesh are proving to be quit a handful...
smith goes...India 60-40 ahead

Smith was looking at the dressing room to confirm whether he should call on DRS

You can't do that Smith

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Post by VTR on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:16 am

Desperate indeed. I'd actually make this 70-30 to India now, given the batting at the crease and to come is generally inexperienced

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:32 am

Runs leaked too quickly in the last two overs.....60-40 in India's favour still
need to get Handscombe sooner
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:36 am

5 down.....5 more needed......Marsh gone...to a ball he could not have done much
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 8:43 am

6 down.....spinners at both end have choked the Aussies....runs not coming and a chance every over.....

tea...
India need to stay focused and not take it for granted
Ind are favorites now
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:11 am

7 down......ashwin hits his rhythm at the right time Yahoo
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:13 am

This is fabulous test cricket
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:24 am

India needs a spinner from both ends
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:29 am

and indeed kohli brings the spinner from the other end too...and down goes the 8th wicket clap

do not relax India
don't take the focus off
finish it quickly
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:34 am

9 down....handscombe gone
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:36 am

and India win OK ...by 75 runs....looks like a big margin...but was a close hard fought test match
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Post by Electric Demon on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:44 am

What a turnaround
Well played India

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 9:49 am

In a very long season India's intesity fell off in Pune, and their tactics of putting out a lottery pitch also back-fired

and even here in Bangalore, it was a sub-par effort by India especially with the bat.....in first inning specially....... and the collapse this morning

the pluck, the fight and grit that the lower middle and lower order had shown all throuhg the season has been missing...so far

and yet India's superior spin bowling and top order batting pulled them throuhg....Saha's 20 runs in the end were worth gold.


India needs to do better.....Kohli should get the team he wants whihc I suspect he ain't getting from the selectors. Two changes I would advocate...

--if Vijay ain't fit...bring in Parthiv or open with Nair

--Ashwin has had a very long season and a 3rd spinner is essential in my view.....it could be in place of Ishant....certainly in Ranchi where the next test is....
Play Kuldip in place of Ishant
OR
Bring back Jayant in place of Nair

Australia's 2 seamers although only two have been more potent than the 4 that Eng played....they are bending their back and not holding anything back to conserve themselves.

Aus had their chances actually quite a few moments in this game....but they could not put it through to go unassailable in the series. 
Getting India for sub-200 in the first inning....having a lead of 80 odd in first inning and chasing under 200 in the 4th inning....ain't likely to happen for them again.

And it will get very hard for them to make a comeback now.
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Post by msp83 on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 10:28 am

Brilliant turnaround from India. They yet again batted poorly in the first innings, but a 6for from Ravindra Jadeja started the turnaround for the Indians. Then KL Rahul, Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane, the latter 2 struggling for runs in the series up to that point, pushed them along only for Australia to strike back through Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood. But Ravichandran Ashwin, struggling for consistency, rhythm and impact, got his game together just when India absolutely neded him to do so. He finished with a 6for of himself, and in the end, India have a significant margin that doesn't quite suggest how close this game has been.


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Post by msp83 on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 11:01 am

Looking ahead, there is some good news. Mohammed Shami has made a return to domestic cricket in the Vijay Hazare Trophy for Bengal. But the win here, and perhaps thoughts of the CT and Shami's rather brittle body, might mean that we are likely to go in with Ishant Sharma for the next test as well. The fact that Ishant didn't exactly disgrace himself with the ball, and like the Ishant from another era long gone, he showed lots of application and determination with the bat to help out Saha add a few more runs for that last wicket would help his case.
Would like to see India's best quick returning though for the next game. If not for the next test, for the last game at least.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 07 Mar 2017, 11:12 am

And Wriddhiman Saha's 20 not out is likely to give him an extension at the test level. Not sure that really is a good thing. Saha doesn't have the skills to be a good enough wicketkeeper batsman. He's far more skilled with the gloves than is with the bat, and has pulled off a couple of absolute stunners in the series so far. Haven't been any high impact regulation drops that have been a feature of his keeping either. But he can't be a proper batting option, at the very best he's a number 8. Hopefully Rahane has got back his touch. With him struggling and Kohli not hitting his straps yet in the series, Saha is a liability for the team. He's a slightly better keeper than Patel, but Parthiv is a much better bat, and youngsters Rishabh Pant and Ishan Kishan can potentially offer a great deal more. Pant has the potential to turn out into a Quinton de Kock like impact player. But perhaps he needs a bit more time for that step up.

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