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Post by 123456789 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 5:46 am

Quite simple really, could the Lions pick a competitive (in a general sense not compared to New Zealand) made up of players not born in Britain or Ireland?

I've had a stab at a side but it is quite Scottish centric (not sure if that's down to me or to SRU policy)

1. Vunipola
2. Hartley
3. Nel
4. Ball
5. Denton
6. Stander
7. Hardie
8. Vunipola
9. Hart
10. Anscombe
11. Seymour
12. Payne
13. Te'o
14. Visser
15. Maitland

16. Strauss
17. Dell
18. Struggling to find a tighthead other than Nel
19. Evans
20. Strauss
21. Carberry
22. Tuilagi
23. Rokoduguni

Thought I should add a disclaimer, this is not a UKIP esque, post Brexit analysis of how "indigenous" our rugby teams are rather it is meant to be a bit of fun, I do understand that a significant number of these moved at an early age and I understand nationality is far more complex than place of birth.


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 6:42 am

You need a replacement for Ball who was born in England. Struggling though...Botha?

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Post by Rugby Fan on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 6:47 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:You need a replacement for Ball who was born in England. Struggling though...Botha?
Mitch Lees of Exeter was born in Australia, team mate Don Armand was born in Zimbabwe.

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Post by ebop on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 7:11 am

Is Anscombe playing better than Nick Evans these days? Anscombe was flakey as heck when he played in NZ. Evans must be past it if Anscombe is selected over him.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 7:21 am

Yes. Ta rugby fan. Evans has played for NZ so doesn't qualify for the Lions.

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Post by Cyril on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:00 am

Decent front row
Shocking 2nd row
Goodish back row (Hardie is a bit meh)
The less said about the backs the better!

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:11 am

i'd have thought Denny Solomona might warrant a mention.

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Post by 123456789 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:24 am

Cyril wrote:Decent front row
Shocking 2nd row
Goodish back row (Hardie is a bit meh)
The less said about the backs the better!

Probably more related to the decline of saffer rugby than anything, the NH has been poaching their forward since for about half a decade whereas the players from New Zealand tend to qualify through Grannies.

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Post by ebop on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:29 am

It's fantastic to know there are grannies out there doing their bit for British rugby
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Post by Exiledinborders on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 9:18 am

Well, one thing it does show is that the Lions will not be reliant on SH imports. I can only see one or possibly two of that lot getting into a starting Lions fifteen.

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Post by the-goon on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:18 am

I think 5 of that team will tour. Vunipola x2, Stander, Nel and I guess Hartley.

Wouldn't be suprised to see 2,3,4 of them in the 1st test. Stander has to be the 1st name on the team sheet.

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Post by True Raven on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:24 am

the-goon wrote:I think 5 of that team will tour. Vunipola x2, Stander, Nel and I guess Hartley.

Wouldn't be suprised to see 2,3,4 of them in the 1st test. Stander has to be the 1st name on the team sheet.

I bet Stander and Nel grew up dying to put on a Lions jersey Rolling Eyes

It was embarassing Flutey toured in 09 and it would be the same if they toured

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Post by Guest on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:25 am

ebop wrote:It's fantastic to know there are grannies out there doing their bit for British rugby


Pay these players a decent salary, ya tight b*stards, and they won't leave your shores! You think these players leave sunny South Africa or Australia because they fancy the grey and miserable British & Irish winters?! Come on!

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Post by Cyril on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:55 am

True Raven wrote:
the-goon wrote:I think 5 of that team will tour. Vunipola x2, Stander, Nel and I guess Hartley.

Wouldn't be suprised to see 2,3,4 of them in the 1st test. Stander has to be the 1st name on the team sheet.

I bet Stander and Nel grew up dying to put on a Lions jersey Rolling Eyes

It was embarassing Flutey toured in 09 and it would be the same if they toured
Flutey played a lot better than some on that tour (O'Gara - the American - spring to mind).

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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:32 pm

Good old Cyril with his windup always there.

Mentioned OGara being born inUsa when loads of Welsh players were not born in Wales.

People in glass houses

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Post by dummy_half on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:34 pm

A few off the top of my head -

Marland Yarde (St Lucia)
Jamie Heaslip (Israel - proving that nation of birth can be rather mis-leading)
Nathan Hughes
Faletau.

I reckon Heaslip and Faletau are likely to be Lions during the course of the tour (even if one misses out on the initial squad, there's a good chance they'll be called in as injury replacements at some point - indeed, Yarde may have a chance of that as well, especially if the attrition rate of outside backs is like the last tour).

Actually, other than Heaslip, there's a disappointing lack of obscure birthplaces in the current players - I still lilke the fact that John McEnroe is German and England footballer Terry Butcher was from Singapore.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:35 pm

I wouldn't take Nel and Would not start with either Hartley or Mako.

Furlong and Cole are nailed on astravelling THs
Only Billy and Stander as starters for me.

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Post by Guest on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:43 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Good old Cyril with his windup always there.

Mentioned OGara being born inUsa when loads of Welsh players were not born in Wales.

People in glass houses

Cyril is English. Don't bring Wales into this!

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:45 pm

Griff wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:Good old Cyril with his windup always there.

Mentioned OGara being born inUsa when loads of Welsh players were not born in Wales.

People in glass houses

Cyril is English. Don't bring Wales into this!

Alex Corbisiero (past) and Sam Underhill (future) can join ROG as Yankee Lions maybe Very Happy

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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 1:37 pm

Griff I stand corrected.

Glass houses point stands though

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Post by Guest on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 1:38 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Griff I stand corrected.

Glass houses point stands though

Yes, but let's be clear that he's throwing his stones at an English glass window, not a Welsh one! thumbsup

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Post by Cyril on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 1:42 pm

This thread is about foreign-born players eligible for the Lions.

Are we not all in our respective greenhouses (it's probably quite a squeeze for geoff with his soapbox and high horse in there with him)?

I spent a lot of time in Wales but definitely English - with some Irish ancestry Wink

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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 2:19 pm

It's about identifying foreigners yes. It is not about someone, like OGara who is Irish through and through.
To use someone like him as a example is moronic.


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Post by Cyril on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 2:47 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:It's about identifying foreigners yes. It is not about someone, like OGara who is Irish through and through.
To use someone like him as a example is moronic.

You better tell other posters that they're moronic for mentioning the likes of Heaslip. Are you always so relentlessly po-faced?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 2:49 pm

123s disclaimer did say it's purely birthplace.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 3:11 pm

Cyril wrote:

I spent a lot of time in Wales but definitely English - with some Irish ancestry Wink

 Laugh Dear Jesus, Cyril!

After all his years of posting he now admits two crimes against humanity without blinking!  I think you should be excomcircumcised by the Queen for such treachery! Wink

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 3:16 pm

Cyril wrote:This thread is about foreign-born players eligible for the Lions.

Are we not all in our respective greenhouses (it's probably quite a squeeze for geoff with his soapbox and high horse in there with him)?

I spent a lot of time in Wales but definitely English - with some Irish ancestry Wink

God help us.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 3:17 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:It's about identifying foreigners yes. It is not about someone, like OGara who is Irish through and through.
To use someone like him as a example is moronic.


To be fair its about players not born in the British Isles and ROG wasn't even though hes as Irish as Guinness Whistle


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Post by marty2086 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 3:21 pm

123456789 wrote:
18. Struggling to find a tighthead other than Nel

Bealham was born in Oz

You can add in Jordi Murphy(Spain) and Dillane(France),

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 3:43 pm

marty2086 wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:It's about identifying foreigners yes. It is not about someone, like OGara who is Irish through and through.
To use someone like him as a example is moronic.


To be fair its about players not born in the British Isles and ROG wasn't even though hes as Irish as Guinness Whistle


Officially, they are now The Europhile Brexit Isles. Thus too, The Europhile and Brexit Lions.

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Post by geoff999rugby on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 3:46 pm

Just get bored with cowpat Cyril.
At my age no time for nonsense.

Have no problem enjoying myself I can assure you

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Post by Cyril on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 4:19 pm

Crikey, I think geoff almost smiled then.

Probably wind.

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Post by Golden on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 5:02 pm

Pretty sure Hart was born in Ireland. He qualifies for France through his Mother.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:19 pm

Golden wrote:Pretty sure Hart was born in Ireland. He qualifies for France through his Mother.

McGrath on the other hand was born in Canada

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Post by whocares on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:35 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Golden wrote:Pretty sure Hart was born in Ireland. He qualifies for France through his Mother.

McGrath on the other hand was born in Canada

Or Samuel Hidalgo Clyne (born in Spain) if you need another 9.

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Post by Engine#4 on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:13 pm

Michael Bent for reserve tighthead, a granny qualifier who I don't think had ever been to Ireland before 2012. Apparently was sent straight from the plane to an Ireland training camp.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Wed 18 Jan 2017, 1:14 am

Scrum half Joe Simpson was born in Australia (English dad, Kiwi mum)

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Post by Irish Londoner on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 7:08 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:i'd have thought Denny Solomona might warrant a mention.

He's a two-faced contract breaking twot.

There, he's mentioned.

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Post by SecretFly on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 11:02 am

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