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Post by George Carlin on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:10 am

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SCOTLAND IRELAND 
4 February 2017
KO: 14:25
BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Touch judges: Jaco Peyper (South Africa) and Nick Briant (New Zealand)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand

Live on BBC, RTE, DMAX, FR2, ITV (H)

A. Head to Head

132 Played 132
66 Won 61 
5 Drawn 5
61 Lost 66
1,380 Points 1,475

B. Recent Form

19 March 2016
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
35 – 25 to Ireland

15 August 2015
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
28 – 22 to Ireland

21 March 2015
BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
10 – 40 to Ireland

2 February 2014
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
28 – 6 to Ireland

24 February 2013
Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
12 – 8 to Scotland

10 March 2012
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
32 – 14 to Ireland

6 August 2011
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
10 – 6 to Scotland

27 February 2011
Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
18 – 21 to Ireland

20 March 2010
Croke Park, Dublin
20 – 23 to Scotland

C. Teams

SCOTLAND 
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15-Stuart Hogg; 14-Sean Maitland, 13-Huw Jones, 12-Alex Dunbar, 11-Tommy Seymour; 10-Finn Russell, 9-Greig Laidlaw (capt); 1-Allan Dell, 2-Fraser Brown, 3-Zander Fagerson, 4-Richie Gray, 5-Jonny Gray, 6-Ryan Wilson, 7-Hamish Watson, 8-Josh Strauss

Replacements: 16-Ross Ford, 17-Gordon Reid, 18-Simon Berghan, 19-Tim Swinson, 20-John Barclay, 21-Ali Price, 22-Duncan Weir, 23-Mark Bennett

IRELAND
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15-Rob Kearney; 14-Keith Earls, 13-Robbie Henshaw, 12-Garry Ringrose, 11-Simon Zebo; 10-Paddy Jackson, 9-Conor Murray; 1-Jack McGrath, 2-Rory Best (captain), 3-Tadhg Furlong, 4-Iain Henderson, 5-Devin Toner, 6-CJ Stander, 7-Sean O'Brien, 8-Jamie Heaslip

Replacements: 16-Niall Scannell, 17-Cian Healy, 18-John Ryan, 19-Ultan Dillane, 20-Josh van der Flier, 21-Kieran Marmion, 22-Ian Keatley, 23-Tommy Bowe.


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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:16 am

Heading up for this game which means Ireland have won.

I've been to 33 Internationals and seen Scotland win once (Ireland 2010) and draw once (Wales 2001). The rest have been losses.

I am a sh!te mascot.

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Post by RDW on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:21 am

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Heading up for this game which means Ireland have won.

I've been to 33 Internationals and seen Scotland win once (Ireland 2010) and draw once (Wales 2001). The rest have been losses.

I am a sh!te mascot.

Holy crap that is a miserable record!

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:24 am

Thousands upon thousands of pounds spent watching us lose.

I even went to Rome in 2008 thinking I needed to up my win rate and actually get p!ssed after the match celebrating rather than sorrow drowning.

Yeah.....not good.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:25 am

The head to head figures are remarkably close, suggesting that once upon a time we were better than Ireland at rugby!

If Ireland play to their capabilities this could get ugly. Thankfully we'll have Ryan Wilson on hand to play 70 minutes and help stem the tide.....

I think Ireland will take this by a couple of scores. I expect them to start fast and furious, running in a few tries, only to slip back into 3rd gear and cruise the rest of the match. We'll probably score a late consolation score by way of interception just to give us a false sense of "what if" in the pub afterwards.

Other certainties from this fixture:

- Jonny Gray will make the most tackles and miss none, but we'll still be told afterwards that he's the 9th best lock in Britain/Ireland.

- Having pressed the Lions case for Stuart Hogg for the last 6 months, he'll do something really silly.

- Keith Wood will really annoy me before the game.

- CJ Stander will make Ryan Wilson look like he's playing the wrong sport.

- Duncan Weir will come on and kick the ball out on the full.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:28 am

- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

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Post by rapidsnowman on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:44 am

From 1986 through to 2001 we played 17 times.

Scotland won 14 times. 1 Draw. Irlenad won twice.

After 2001 Scotland has only beaten us 4 times.

We seem to take it it turns - 15 years at a time!

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Post by NeilyBroon on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:48 am

rapidsnowman wrote:From 1986 through to 2001 we played 17 times.

Scotland won 14 times. 1 Draw. Irlenad won twice.

After 2001 Scotland has only beaten us 4 times.

We seem to take it it turns - 15 years at a time!

Well I hope this is true.


Though I suspect Scotland will get a bit of a battering at the very least - I reckon 17-25 to Ireland. I'm just hoping none of our boys get injured as we have a good chance to take a couple of scalps this tournament if everyone's fit!
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Post by RDW on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:49 am

rapidsnowman wrote:From 1986 through to 2001 we played 17 times.

Scotland won 14 times. 1 Draw. Irlenad won twice.

After 2001 Scotland has only beaten us 4 times.

We seem to take it it turns - 15 years at a time!

So basically my dad's generation saw the best of Scottish rugby - he has seen 2 grand slams, a 5N championship and dominance over Ireland.

I started watching rugby properly around 2000 and have had bugger all! I did go to the victory parade at Murrayfield after we won the 5N however...

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Post by rapidsnowman on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:53 am

I really got into rugby in late 80's.

I celebrated the Scottish Grand slam of 1990 like it was Ireland's!

I could still name that Scottish side better than the Irish one of that time. Always loved watching The Hastings bros, finley Calder, John Jeffries, David sole etc - all tough as teak!

Regarding Ireland, I didn't have much to cheer about until the noughties.

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Post by rodders on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:53 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
- Jonny Gray will make the most tackles and miss none, but we'll still be told afterwards that he's the 9th best lock in Britain/Ireland.

10th best, you forgot about Courtney Lawes.
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Post by carpet baboon on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:56 am

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

Think you will find we hit that number just in the warm up.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 11:46 am

rodders wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
- Jonny Gray will make the most tackles and miss none, but we'll still be told afterwards that he's the 9th best lock in Britain/Ireland.

10th best, you forgot about Courtney Lawes.

....and the 5th choice lock at Saracens, whose name we all forget!

The real issue is that because AWJ is so unquestionably good (seriously, don't question it!), and Maro Itoje transcends God, that there's really only a bench slot to fight for. Then you have to factor in the fact that Launchbury and Kruis share the title for the most underrated rated locks of all time, whilst Lawes still has the dustings of World Class from a few years ago.

If it pleases you Irish, I still think Iain Henderson should tour.

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Post by GLove39 on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:47 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Heading up for this game which means Ireland have won.

I've been to 33 Internationals and seen Scotland win once (Ireland 2010) and draw once (Wales 2001). The rest have been losses.

I am a sh!te mascot.

Jesus Tattie!!! That is terrible!
Also I'm now feeling rather smug about my 53 games & 28 Scotland wins!

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Post by GLove39 on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:51 pm

As for the game itself have a horrible feeling I'm going to witness Ireland claim the first ever bonus point win in the 6Nations

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Post by tigertattie on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 12:59 pm

GLove39 wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Heading up for this game which means Ireland have won.

I've been to 33 Internationals and seen Scotland win once (Ireland 2010) and draw once (Wales 2001). The rest have been losses.

I am a sh!te mascot.

Jesus Tattie!!! That is terrible!
Also I'm now feeling rather smug about my 53 games & 28 Scotland wins!

If Scones gets a ticket for a match, can he please send it onto mr Love!

clearly Scones is a giant feckin jinx
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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:05 pm

tigertattie wrote:
GLove39 wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Heading up for this game which means Ireland have won.

I've been to 33 Internationals and seen Scotland win once (Ireland 2010) and draw once (Wales 2001). The rest have been losses.

I am a sh!te mascot.

Jesus Tattie!!! That is terrible!
Also I'm now feeling rather smug about my 53 games & 28 Scotland wins!

If Scones gets a ticket for a match, can he please send it onto mr Love!

clearly Scones is a giant feckin jinx

I am here you know.

Well, with three and a half hours in Bristol Airport's Aspire Lounge followed by a night out in Glasgow Friday, couple with an early-ish KO Saturday, there is a chance I might not make the game in time.

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Post by the-goon on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:25 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

At least we don't go out to injure players...

http://www.the42.ie/conor-murray-munster-glasgow-3193305-Jan2017/


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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:39 pm

the-goon wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

At least we don't go out to injure players...

http://www.the42.ie/conor-murray-munster-glasgow-3193305-Jan2017/


He says it isn't legal but other than calling it a late tackle I don't think there's a rule against tackling rugby players by the legs, as opposed to dropping them on their necks:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38240575

Still, there is a commonality between the two "incidents": Irish whinging!

Wink

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Post by George Carlin on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:40 pm

the-goon wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

At least we don't go out to injure players...

http://www.the42.ie/conor-murray-munster-glasgow-3193305-Jan2017/

Don't worry - I've just seen the new SRU circular which states that the only thing Scotland's forwards are allowed to use towards Murray is colourful language.
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Post by George Carlin on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:43 pm

In other breaking news, Puma have just released a prototype for Connor Murray's new Ireland shirt:
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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:43 pm

George Carlin wrote:
the-goon wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

At least we don't go out to injure players...

http://www.the42.ie/conor-murray-munster-glasgow-3193305-Jan2017/

Don't worry - I've just seen the new SRU circular which states that the only thing Scotland's forwards are allowed to use towards Murray is colourful language.

Down with this sort of thing!

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Post by George Carlin on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:44 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
the-goon wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

At least we don't go out to injure players...

http://www.the42.ie/conor-murray-munster-glasgow-3193305-Jan2017/

Don't worry - I've just seen the new SRU circular which states that the only thing Scotland's forwards are allowed to use towards Murray is colourful language.

Down with this sort of thing!
Careful now.

Conor Murray's new slogan. Run
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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:44 pm

George Carlin wrote:In other breaking news, Puma have just released a prototype for Connor Murray's new Ireland shirt:
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laughing

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Post by eirebilly on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:46 pm

the-goon wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

At least we don't go out to injure players...

http://www.the42.ie/conor-murray-munster-glasgow-3193305-Jan2017/


As a Munsterfan, I don't believe that the Glasgow players were trying to injure Murray. They targeted him to great effect and I can only remember one instance where it could have been seen as late. Personally I saw very little wrong with what they did and would probably laud Munster if they used the same tactics against a team with an influential 9 like Munster have.
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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:46 pm

George Carlin wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
the-goon wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:- Ireland will cheat (sorry...dark arts) at least 4,892 times during the match.

At least we don't go out to injure players...

http://www.the42.ie/conor-murray-munster-glasgow-3193305-Jan2017/

Don't worry - I've just seen the new SRU circular which states that the only thing Scotland's forwards are allowed to use towards Murray is colourful language.

Down with this sort of thing!
Careful now.

Conor Murray's new slogan. Run

This has the potential to be the biggest scandal since "Who Choked Ronan O'Gara?? He could have DIED!!".

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Post by the-goon on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 1:53 pm

Just for the record, I was on a wind up. This thread was too friendly.

It does seems rather pointless though to tackle the standing leg of a player who has already kicked the ball. What do you get out of it? Why not actually try and charge the ball down?

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Post by RDW on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 2:08 pm

I love threads with the Irish Laugh

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Post by tigertattie on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 2:15 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:I love threads with the Irish Laugh

it's when the Welsh come things go pear shaped! They try to make things about the moral victory!
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Post by the-goon on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 2:32 pm

Let's have a look at this.

Here is the 1st play of the game, Gray comes in from the standing leg side (so no chance of a charge down), and follows through on a tackle on standing leg a second after the ball is kicked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inkcoXE_7s

(at 1min 40)

Another one, this time not even a charge down attempt from another player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inkcoXE_7s

(at 21min 58)

In both cases it's obvious that Murray is kicking, and that neither Gray nor Strauss had any chance of stopping the kick. Why follow through on his standing leg? Both could have been pinged for late tackles, both had time to pull out once the ball was kicked, but didn't.

Is he over-reacting? Does he have a point from a player welfare perspective?


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Post by BigGee on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 2:36 pm

the-goon wrote:Let's have a look at this.

Here is the 1st play of the game, Gray comes in from the standing leg side (so no chance of a charge down), and follows through on a tackle on standing leg a second after the ball is kicked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inkcoXE_7s

(at 1min 40)

Another one, this time not even a charge down attempt from another player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inkcoXE_7s

(at 21min 58)

In both cases it's obvious that Murray is kicking, and that neither Gray nor Strauss had any chance of stopping the kick. Why follow through on his standing leg? Both could have been pinged for late tackles, both had time to pull out once the ball was kicked, but didn't.

Is he over-reacting? Does he have a point from a player welfare perspective?

Shall we try and keep this discussion to the Glasgow - Edinburgh club thread, its being done to death over on that one as well!

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Post by Guest on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 2:48 pm

tigertattie wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I love threads with the Irish Laugh

it's when the Welsh come things go pear shaped! They try to make things about the moral victory!

We do read these threads you know!

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Post by the-goon on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 3:03 pm

BigGee wrote:
the-goon wrote:Let's have a look at this.

Here is the 1st play of the game, Gray comes in from the standing leg side (so no chance of a charge down), and follows through on a tackle on standing leg a second after the ball is kicked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inkcoXE_7s

(at 1min 40)

Another one, this time not even a charge down attempt from another player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inkcoXE_7s

(at 21min 58)

In both cases it's obvious that Murray is kicking, and that neither Gray nor Strauss had any chance of stopping the kick. Why follow through on his standing leg? Both could have been pinged for late tackles, both had time to pull out once the ball was kicked, but didn't.

Is he over-reacting? Does he have a point from a player welfare perspective?

Shall we try and keep this discussion to the Glasgow - Edinburgh club thread, its being done to death over on that one as well!

Grand so, what team do you think you will pick now that your squad has been announced? Will Laidlaw finally be dropped?


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Post by RDW on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 3:04 pm

the-goon wrote:
BigGee wrote:
the-goon wrote:Let's have a look at this.

Here is the 1st play of the game, Gray comes in from the standing leg side (so no chance of a charge down), and follows through on a tackle on standing leg a second after the ball is kicked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inkcoXE_7s

(at 1min 40)

Another one, this time not even a charge down attempt from another player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inkcoXE_7s

(at 21min 58)

In both cases it's obvious that Murray is kicking, and that neither Gray nor Strauss had any chance of stopping the kick. Why follow through on his standing leg? Both could have been pinged for late tackles, both had time to pull out once the ball was kicked, but didn't.

Is he over-reacting? Does he have a point from a player welfare perspective?

Shall we try and keep this discussion to the Glasgow - Edinburgh club thread, its being done to death over on that one as well!

Grand so, what team do you think you will pick now that your squad has been announced? Will Laidlaw finally be dropped?


Well he's captain, so no!

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Post by BigGee on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 3:51 pm

Sometime over the next year or so, we are going to have to see the beginnings of a transition away from Laidlaw, on current performances, probably to Price.

Is that going to happen this 6N, no. Price is dangerous and can definitely move the ball away faster than Laidlaw and probably brings Russell onto the game more. He did however show us in the Munster-Glasgow game, that he still lacks experience and game management skills, which Laidlaw has in spades.

What I would like to see though is Price being used as an impact sub, someone who really can influence a game in the last 20 mins. He really is lightening fast and can see a gap, so could really add something.

VC has been very reluctant to use any substitute SH in the past. This is partly because Laidlaw is such a good kicker and also because he did not really feel that any of the others are good enough.

Price probably is, he has improved immeasurably as he has been given his opportunities. Finn Russell as well has been kicking well for Glasgow and has a strike rate of around 80% and so probably needs to be given a bit more responsibility for Scotland as well.

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Post by The Great Aukster on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 10:47 pm

What's Murray whinging about? If the mighty All Blacks tried to take him out of the game in Dublin why shouldn't Glasgow? He should take it as a compliment that the opposition rate him so highly rather than getting all precious - shouldn't he?

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Post by beshocked on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 9:28 am

It's funny how you see a few international sides who haven't always given responsibility of the kicking to the 10.

Scotland need to go through this phase - trust Russell. Wales trusted Biggar in the RWC and they managed to knock England out of their own RWC.

When you pick someone in your team only for their goalkicking it can weaken the overall side obviously.

Russell needs to take on more and grow as a player if Scotland are going to go the next step - not just being plucky but picking up big scalps. Doing it for Glasgow, now need to for Scotland.

If Scotland beats Ireland and Russell plays an influential role, he'll send a message to all the other sides in the world that Scotland mean business!

I'd like Scotland to win but I think Ireland have the clear advantage in the pack, especially the backrow (if it's Stander,O Brien, Heaslip) - are they all fit? and hold the advantage in the half backs. Murray is head and shoulders above Laidlaw in quality.


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Post by rodders on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 9:36 am

The Great Aukster wrote:What's Murray whinging about? If the mighty All Blacks tried to take him out of the game in Dublin why shouldn't Glasgow? He should take it as a compliment that the opposition rate him so highly rather than getting all precious - shouldn't he?

I think it is manner of how they did it is the issue. Targeting someones trailing leg could end a career.

Murray has every right to be angry about this, I'm pretty shocked that Glasgow would exploit a loophole in the laws likes this to be honest.

Rugby is becoming far too sanitized but deliberately trying to injure a player is not in the spirit of the game.
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Post by BigGee on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 9:41 am

rodders wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:What's Murray whinging about? If the mighty All Blacks tried to take him out of the game in Dublin why shouldn't Glasgow? He should take it as a compliment that the opposition rate him so highly rather than getting all precious - shouldn't he?

I think it is manner of how they did it is the issue. Targeting someones trailing leg could end a career.

Murray has every right to be angry about this, I'm pretty shocked that Glasgow would exploit a loophole in the laws likes this to be honest.

Rugby is becoming far too sanitized but deliberately trying to injure a player is not in the spirit of the game.

Shocked or deluded?

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 9:51 am

BigGee wrote:
rodders wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:What's Murray whinging about? If the mighty All Blacks tried to take him out of the game in Dublin why shouldn't Glasgow? He should take it as a compliment that the opposition rate him so highly rather than getting all precious - shouldn't he?

I think it is manner of how they did it is the issue. Targeting someones trailing leg could end a career.

Murray has every right to be angry about this, I'm pretty shocked that Glasgow would exploit a loophole in the laws likes this to be honest.

Rugby is becoming far too sanitized but deliberately trying to injure a player is not in the spirit of the game.

Shocked or deluded?

Deluded.

Murray should be sanctioned for making false accusations through improper channels. We need to stamp this out, so to speak. Seems the Trump fashion of spewing unfounded allegations through the media, and dressing it as fact, has reached the Munster dressing room. Pity, otherwise a fine rugby team with proud traditions.

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 9:56 am

does this mean we can now call anyone related to Munster a Trumpster?
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Post by rodders on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 9:59 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
BigGee wrote:
rodders wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:What's Murray whinging about? If the mighty All Blacks tried to take him out of the game in Dublin why shouldn't Glasgow? He should take it as a compliment that the opposition rate him so highly rather than getting all precious - shouldn't he?

I think it is manner of how they did it is the issue. Targeting someones trailing leg could end a career.

Murray has every right to be angry about this, I'm pretty shocked that Glasgow would exploit a loophole in the laws likes this to be honest.

Rugby is becoming far too sanitized but deliberately trying to injure a player is not in the spirit of the game.

Shocked or deluded?

Deluded.

Murray should be sanctioned for making false accusations through improper channels. We need to stamp this out, so to speak. Seems the Trump fashion of spewing unfounded allegations through the media, and dressing it as fact, has reached the Munster dressing room. Pity, otherwise a fine rugby team with proud traditions.

Which is more can be said for Glasgow. A hefty ban and expulsion from the pro 12 and Europe might sort things out. They could join the SPL, which is where they belong with those tactics.

Hopefully we won't see the same from the Scots though I think Cotter is better than that.
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Post by funnyExiledScot on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:07 am

rodders wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
BigGee wrote:
rodders wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:What's Murray whinging about? If the mighty All Blacks tried to take him out of the game in Dublin why shouldn't Glasgow? He should take it as a compliment that the opposition rate him so highly rather than getting all precious - shouldn't he?

I think it is manner of how they did it is the issue. Targeting someones trailing leg could end a career.

Murray has every right to be angry about this, I'm pretty shocked that Glasgow would exploit a loophole in the laws likes this to be honest.

Rugby is becoming far too sanitized but deliberately trying to injure a player is not in the spirit of the game.

Shocked or deluded?

Deluded.

Murray should be sanctioned for making false accusations through improper channels. We need to stamp this out, so to speak. Seems the Trump fashion of spewing unfounded allegations through the media, and dressing it as fact, has reached the Munster dressing room. Pity, otherwise a fine rugby team with proud traditions.

Which is more can be said for Glasgow. A hefty ban and expulsion from the pro 12 and Europe might sort things out. They could join the SPL, which is where they belong with those tactics.

Hopefully we won't see the same from the Scots though I think Cotter is better than that.

You can't ban/expel a side for doing nothing wrong. It sets an uncomfortable precedent.

Have Munster raised this issue through the formal channels? Has Strauss been cited? What rule do you believe has been broken here, other than the unwritten rule set by Munster for leaving its 9 alone (to accompany the other unwritten rule of Munster than when the subject of an illegal spear tackle by a Munster player, one must make sure to jump up and pretend that nothing has happened and, under no circumstances, seek medical attention).

Murray has accused Glasgow of deliberately and strategically seeking to cause him a long-term injury. Glasgow have shown remarkable restraint being grown up about this and rising above it, as they did with Keith Earls' ludicrous comments. Munster get an awful lot right on the pitch, but they need to sort this out. Donald Trump should not be their media role model.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:10 am

People in 2016 don't like honesty in media...I for one am sick of hearing the "correct" answers over and over and over. I appreciate hearing someone giving their own honest opinion. I actually have more respect for Murray after this.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:11 am

rodders wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
BigGee wrote:
rodders wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:What's Murray whinging about? If the mighty All Blacks tried to take him out of the game in Dublin why shouldn't Glasgow? He should take it as a compliment that the opposition rate him so highly rather than getting all precious - shouldn't he?

I think it is manner of how they did it is the issue. Targeting someones trailing leg could end a career.

Murray has every right to be angry about this, I'm pretty shocked that Glasgow would exploit a loophole in the laws likes this to be honest.

Rugby is becoming far too sanitized but deliberately trying to injure a player is not in the spirit of the game.

Shocked or deluded?

Deluded.

Murray should be sanctioned for making false accusations through improper channels. We need to stamp this out, so to speak. Seems the Trump fashion of spewing unfounded allegations through the media, and dressing it as fact, has reached the Munster dressing room. Pity, otherwise a fine rugby team with proud traditions.

Which is more can be said for Glasgow. A hefty ban and expulsion from the pro 12 and Europe might sort things out. They could join the SPL, which is where they belong with those tactics.

Hopefully we won't see the same from the Scots though I think Cotter is better than that.

Laugh

Behave yourself.

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:15 am

Due to imagining he has a broken leg, Murray has now developed psychosomatic symptoms of such an injury and is now unable to walk and therefore play for Ireland.

Donald Trump has been touted as his replacement!
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Post by funnyExiledScot on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:21 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:People in 2016 don't like honesty in media...I for one am sick of hearing the "correct" answers over and over and over. I appreciate hearing someone giving their own honest opinion. I actually have more respect for Murray after this.

Have you watched US reality TV? You'd love it. Loads of people on there giving "honest opinions", just mouthing off whatever happens to enter their minds. You'll enjoy the political scene over the next four years as well. Tons of honest opinions knocking around these days on Twitter etc., and very few correct answers. This is the post-truth era, where "honest opinions" are better than "facts". People have had enough of "experts". Loads of role models for you to respect....

My own view is that the media is not the place for unfounded allegations, not the appropriate venue to smear other individuals. In the rugby context we have rules, have officials who enforce them and a citing process so that things otherwise missed in games can be addressed. Rather like the laws of the land, people are innocent until proven guilty and there's a process to be followed to determine guilt. Still, if you do all of that you'll be in danger of ascertaining fact, whereas "honest opinions" are just much more fun.

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Post by rodders on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:22 am

Go easy now with the moral high ground, Trump is practically a Scots man....
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Post by rodders on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:25 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
My own view is that the media is not the place for unfounded allegations

Unfounded allegations? you realize they recorded footage of the match?

If anything sums up the post -truth era we are in it is this
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Post by Cyril on Fri 20 Jan 2017, 10:26 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:People in 2016 don't like honesty in media...I for one am sick of hearing the "correct" answers over and over and over. I appreciate hearing someone giving their own honest opinion. I actually have more respect for Murray after this.
Aye. Murray is the Katie Hopkins of rugby.

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