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Post by SecretFly on Thu 19 Jan 2017, 4:22 pm

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Okay, so the American Election thread has run its course and it has been proven in a bombshell wikileak today that all Intelligence agencies involved (American, Russian, British, French, German, Chinese, Japanese, Australian and Brazilian) are now in total agreement that the election was above board, clean, non-contentious, valid and entertaining.

So onto the special day.  What a celebration we're all going to have tomorrow as the most popular President in the history of Illuminati Conspiracy Theory stands on a half filled podium and puts his hand on the book - that cannot be named lest it offend some of the sensitive Satanist protesters present - and swears allegiance to his family, his business empire, his twitter account and Alex Jones.

I believe he intends to make a conciliatory speech whereby he'll pledge to continue the war on terrorism by suppressing Rosie O'Donnell's freedom of movement and methods of funding.  He might even declare sanctions on Meryl Streep but he secretly loves her so....well, the CIA better keep an eye on that one.  Trump might be caught fraternising with the enemy yet again if she ever accepts the dove's feather of peace and attends one of his many planned orgies at Trump House.

We all waited impatiently for this day and now it's upon us.  Let's hope the marksman is off to the right a little.  Let's hope the bomb fails to go off.  Let's hope the protesters keep away from matches and keep their bras on.  But apart from all that, lets' discuss the bright future ahead under Donald Trump.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 12:30 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:So today we awake to the news that an attorney general who think Trump's ban on Muslims is unlawful and wrong have "betrayed" the country. Once more, the parallels with 30's Germany are scarily accurate: judges, lawyers, etc. who stand up to fascism will be branded traitors and enemies of the people. Funny how the far right claim to be for free speech, bemoaning the overly PC culture etc., but the moment someone disagrees with them, criticises them, protests against them, they are incredibly quick to attempt to shut down that person's free speech...

First they came for the Muslims, did you speak out?
Worrying, isn't it? This man and his pathetic cadre can't be this dumb, surely? The implication is that this is what they're after. In actual fact, Trump doesn't bother me so much as those he's appointed around him - maybe they're all Russian agents (kidding)?
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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 12:33 pm

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Bad man Trump - misogynist basterde - Hitlerian asswipe - .....

Are you really that scared of Isis Fly? They are a tiny, pathetic group who have gone backwards on every single one of their goals in the last 12 months. They are maybe a top 20 danger to the world order, behind, you know dozens of countries. The only thing that increases their power is treating them like soviet union 2. Which Trump has done, and continues to do.

If you think this order is about Trump acting tough on isis, pull another one. Please give the names of every single terrorist who has killed someone on US soil from the list of countries trump banned? Its a short list, shouldn't take long.

I'm not scared of Isis, Wolf.  (Neither would I have them round for tea and biscuits, mind you.)  We're talking about Americans here.  I had no vote.  So whether you or any of us like it or not, a great many of them (Americans) are afraid of Isis.  Let's deal with the facts.  "They shouldn't be", won't work.  "They are" is the fact.

Now, last 12 months Isis have "gone backwards on every single one of their goals" ?  

And who is mostly responsible for that period of putting them back in their box?  Yeah, the evil vote rigging Russians/Soviet Union 2.  Cool   It wasn't the lovely gent Barak Obama or his Defence Secretary or his never-off-a-plane Secretary of State.  It was those damn Russians wot did it.  Action before an endless drip of meaningless words.  How embarrassing/annoying for the last American administration - no wonder they tried everything to denigrate Russia before leaving office.  Ruskies got involved in a war some other profiteering folks didn't want ended.  Pesky, meddling Russians.

So do the maths.  Trump comes into office with the same mind as the Russians.  If there is an enemy there that needs to be taken out then simply take it out.  Quit the never-ending diplomatic crap talk.  
Trump is actually saying - for those with ears to listen - that Too Much of a deal has been made about Isis over the years; and indeed, the FEAR factor was actually ramped up over the years by the very media that now have your opinion on them - that they're a small fry group that are no big threat.  
Well, for all the lack of threat, they've certainly being influencing the migratory paths of hundreds of thousands of people around the globe for the last number of years.  Terror works obviously.  They're a big enough threat to cause absolute panic exoduses from the countries in the Middle East most directly affected by them.  So their threat to America is relative but real.  They threaten the stability of the Nations where refugees go to escape their influence.  
Proof?  Well, what are all of you talking about and protesting against for the last year or so?  Division, Populism, Nationalism, Far-Right, Fake News, LGBT fashionistas v rural red neck hicks, Hollywood v Internet Conspiracy Freaks, Anti-Immigration v Open Borders etc, etc.  
Stability threatened.  A world in flux.  Confusion and disbelief and that word again...Fear.  

The concept of Isis had no part to play in all of that?  Who created the concept of Isis and the tension of fear that came with them?  The very media that now pretend they always thought Isis were only a little rebel group that don't threaten nobody.  It's a little late for that shot at 'fake news'.  We all know who pushed the Isis panic from the beginning.

And that knowledge brings us neatly back to those non-Muslim, non-Middle-Eastern types who coldly profit in so many ways from the continued misery of peoples fleeing their own Nations.

Yeah, Isis are harmless.  Ignore them.  Let them have their eternal war there in Syria and Iraq.  None of our business.  Don't affect us. ........  Pull another one.

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Post by Scottrf on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 12:52 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:So today we awake to the news that an attorney general who think Trump's ban on Muslims is unlawful and wrong have "betrayed" the country. Once more, the parallels with 30's Germany are scarily accurate: judges, lawyers, etc. who stand up to fascism will be branded traitors and enemies of the people. Funny how the far right claim to be for free speech, bemoaning the overly PC culture etc., but the moment someone disagrees with them, criticises them, protests against them, they are incredibly quick to attempt to shut down that person's free speech...

First they came for the Muslims, did you speak out?
It's not really free speech, it's failing to carry out the instructions of your boss.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 1:10 pm

Whilst I was in bed last night, reading a light hearted novel, I noticed a spider climbing up the wall above my head.

As I inspected this thing a bit more closely, ready to scoop it up and chuck out the window, the fcking thing combusted in front of my eyes. The weirdest thing I've ever seen.

I googled it this morning. Turns out it was a Jihadi Longlegs.

Cool

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 1:13 pm

My doctor's become rather radicalised. I went to see him for a flu vaccine and hijabbed me with a needle.

Britain has become so invaded by Islam that one of their favourite actors is Syrian McKellen.

drumroll

(none of these are mine, they were my favourites from a TrumpFacts twitter trend a while ago when he suggested that parts of Britain had become so radicalised by Islam that they had become no-go areas for police.)

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 1:21 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Whilst I was in bed last night, reading a light hearted novel, I noticed a spider climbing up the wall above my head.

As I inspected this thing a bit more closely, ready to scoop it up and chuck out the window, the fcking thing combusted in front of my eyes. The weirdest thing I've ever seen.

I googled it this morning. Turns out it was a Jihadi Longlegs.

Cool

To hell with the Jihadi spider - there's tons of those spies in every household. Just use Napalm (your wife's body spray and a match).

The real interesting part of your post is the light hearted novel you were reading? What was it called? The Best Golf Advise I ever Received?

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 1:23 pm

Best advice I ever received on golf was to sell my clubs.

The book was Enid Blyton's Magic Farway Tree.

Wish it was real life.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 1:27 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Best advice I ever received on golf was to sell my clubs.

The book was Enid Blyton's Magic Farway Tree.

Wish it was real life.

??? Shocked

I thought that book was banned years ago!
No wonder you been having delusions! That is one of the most seditious, racist, misogynist, sexist, communistic, far-right fascist, extreme-leftist, anti-performing arts, post-news-nonsense, war-mongering, religiously fundamental, anti-religious book that has ever been published!

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 1:35 pm

I know but my kids love it.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 1:43 pm

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 2:39 pm

Scottrf wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:So today we awake to the news that an attorney general who think Trump's ban on Muslims is unlawful and wrong have "betrayed" the country. Once more, the parallels with 30's Germany are scarily accurate: judges, lawyers, etc. who stand up to fascism will be branded traitors and enemies of the people. Funny how the far right claim to be for free speech, bemoaning the overly PC culture etc., but the moment someone disagrees with them, criticises them, protests against them, they are incredibly quick to attempt to shut down that person's free speech...

First they came for the Muslims, did you speak out?
It's not really free speech, it's failing to carry out the instructions of your boss.
Amazing. Wasn't one of the lines Hitler's thugs used in their defence at Nuremberg etc: "I was just following orders"? I know Trump isn't Hitler, but we need mention of him every now again in these discussions.
Seriously though, although there are consequences (she got sacked), I think I trust her interpretation of the legalities of U.S. law etc a little more than Trump's and presumably she was actually just trying to prevent more embarrassment further down the line. That said, he obviously doesn't give a damn.
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Post by Scottrf on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 2:52 pm

Hardly amazing. Being sacked for not doing your job is not analogous to murder on someone's orders. She's free to make her stand but not entitled to keep her job whatever she does.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 2:56 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:So today we awake to the news that an attorney general who think Trump's ban on Muslims is unlawful and wrong have "betrayed" the country. Once more, the parallels with 30's Germany are scarily accurate: judges, lawyers, etc. who stand up to fascism will be branded traitors and enemies of the people. Funny how the far right claim to be for free speech, bemoaning the overly PC culture etc., but the moment someone disagrees with them, criticises them, protests against them, they are incredibly quick to attempt to shut down that person's free speech...

First they came for the Muslims, did you speak out?
It's not really free speech, it's failing to carry out the instructions of your boss.
Amazing. Wasn't one of the lines Hitler's thugs used in their defence at Nuremberg etc: "I was just following orders"? I know Trump isn't Hitler, but we need mention of him every now again in these discussions.
Seriously though, although there are consequences (she got sacked), I think I trust her interpretation of the legalities of U.S. law etc a little more than Trump's and presumably she was actually just trying to prevent more embarrassment further down the line. That said, he obviously doesn't give a damn.

No...I'm not going to go to town on that post, navy! Wink  Quite a decent reading of the situation.  

But just using your posting as perhaps a reminder to the good lady herself.  Don't lose confidence, Ms Yates. Don't feel down.  I think she might be needed further down the line by some of her own people (same political persuasion, so to speak) to give some defence advice to.  So I'm sure we'll still hear more from her in the future.


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Post by GSC on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 2:58 pm

From the sounds of things she was on the way out anyway. Trump is free to remove her from her position if she doesn't intend on doing it.
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Post by ShahenshahG on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 2:58 pm

That depends on whether or not the order was illegal in the first place I think. Will be interesting to see if she has some legal recourse. It seems to me that pis sing off the judiciary in the US is the last thing a leader would want to do. They also have to be elected...usually that works for the republicans but once it begins to bite it might turn out to be a big hindrance.

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:08 pm

GSC wrote:From the sounds of things she was on the way out anyway. Trump is free to remove her from her position if she doesn't intend on doing it.

I don't think the Attorney General is there to do what the President says. He/she is there to uphold the law. It is possible for an Attorney General to go against the President and still be doing their job.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:13 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:That depends on whether or not the order was illegal in the first place I think. Will be interesting to see if she has some legal recourse. It seems to me that pis sing off the judiciary in the US is the last thing a leader would want to do. They also have to be elected...usually that works for the republicans but once it begins to bite it might turn out to be a big hindrance.

.....As in the words of that auld hammy actor, Chuck Schumer: "they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"?

Hmmm, that's the CIA and the Judiciary that seem to have it in for Trump.  He must be oh-so-close to a few well hidden tombs, hiding many a dirty secret, in and around his new home.  

But apart from all that cinematic stuff Wink...so this is the Judiciary, is it?  They use their undoubted Power to hurt or kill-off a political rival or a dope that doesn't want to play by their self-designed rulebook?  That's its role in a 'Free' America?  

You've actually just given Trump a nice reason to sack them all.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:16 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
GSC wrote:From the sounds of things she was on the way out anyway. Trump is free to remove her from her position if she doesn't intend on doing it.

I don't think the Attorney General is there to do what the President says. He/she is there to uphold the law. It is possible for an Attorney General to go against the President and still be doing their job.
Yes it is.  But it's also possible for a President to sack an Attorney General that he doesn't want.  After all, if that power wasn't in the Constitution, Yates would be laughing and saying it's not his right to sack her.

Thus she legally does her job ..and he legally does his.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:18 pm

She is on the way out anyway so she's messing about with the executive order...Good riddance don't need this bollox...The Democrats should just pass Trump's cabinet and for good or bad the US can tread its new course.

Enough gridlock under Obama.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:19 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:That depends on whether or not the order was illegal in the first place I think. Will be interesting to see if she has some legal recourse. It seems to me that pis sing off the judiciary in the US is the last thing a leader would want to do. They also have to be elected...usually that works for the republicans but once it begins to bite it might turn out to be a big hindrance.

.....As in the words of that auld hammy actor, Chuck Schumer: "they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"?

Hmmm, that's the CIA and the Judiciary that seem to have it in for Trump.  He must be oh-so-close to a few well hidden tombs, hiding many a dirty secret, in and around his new home.  

But apart from all that cinematic stuff Wink...so this is the Judiciary, is it?  They use their undoubted Power to hurt or kill-off a political rival or a dope that doesn't want to play by their self-designed rulebook?  That's its role in a 'Free' America?  

You've actually just given Trump a nice reason to sack them all.

That is the judiciary in the US mate, always has been a second arm for the republicans (and the democrats on occasion). If he sacks them he hamstrings himself, if he angers them then it's worth sacking them (just about) but its less cutting your nose of to spite your face than cutting off your nob to aid your sex life. Remember their Judges are elected, so the democrats might come out in force just to kick him in the nuts.

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:22 pm

SecretFly wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
GSC wrote:From the sounds of things she was on the way out anyway. Trump is free to remove her from her position if she doesn't intend on doing it.

I don't think the Attorney General is there to do what the President says. He/she is there to uphold the law. It is possible for an Attorney General to go against the President and still be doing their job.
Yes it is.  But it's also possible for a President to sack an Attorney General that he doesn't want.  After all, if that power wasn't in the Constitution, Yates would be laughing and saying it's not his right to sack her.

Thus she legally does her job ..and he legally does his.

Yes. I didn't say otherwise.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:28 pm

To be clear, I have no serious issues with his decision to sack her. It is his right, though if his Muslim ban does end up being unlawful he'll look a bit of a twit, not that that's stopped him so far.

What I have a serious issue with is the language used in his statement, specifically the continuation of the aggressive, inflammatory, divisive rhetoric that marked his whole campaign, and especially the word "betrayed".

My point is clear: calling judges, lawyers, etc. traitors and enemies of the people, and other such terms, for upholding the law as they see it, is exactly what the Nazis did in the 30's. Given the many other parallels established, it is, as navy says, worrying.


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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:30 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:

That is the judiciary in the US mate, always has been a second arm for the republicans (and the democrats on occasion). If he sacks them he hamstrings himself, if he angers them then it's worth sacking them (just about) but its less cutting your nose of to spite your face than cutting off your nob to aid your sex life. Remember their Judges are elected, so the democrats might come out in force just to kick him in the nuts.

Shah...so we agree. The Judiciary in America (and other places) is a Political Tool, every bit as nuanced towards the policies and subsequent imposed Laws of their like-minded Political parties and philosophies as politicians themselves.
Therefore, the battle between the new President and the Attorney General appointee of the outgoing President is merely politics at work. But it's not painted as such.... obviously.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:37 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:

That is the judiciary in the US mate, always has been a second arm for the republicans (and the democrats on occasion). If he sacks them he hamstrings himself, if he angers them then it's worth sacking them (just about) but its less cutting your nose of to spite your face than cutting off your nob to aid your sex life. Remember their Judges are elected, so the democrats might come out in force just to kick him in the nuts.

Shah...so we agree.  The Judiciary in America (and other places) is a Political Tool, every bit as nuanced towards the policies and subsequent imposed Laws of their like-minded Political parties and philosophies as politicians themselves.
Therefore, the battle between the new President and the Attorney General appointee of the outgoing President is merely politics at work.  But it's not painted as such.... obviously.

Yes I agree with that, I always have just saying that him sticking the boot in would probably run seriously counter to his interests.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 3:51 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:

My point is clear: calling judges, lawyers, etc. traitors and enemies of the people, and other such terms, for upholding the law as they see it, is exactly what the Nazis did in the 30's.

Calling a freely elected President an enemy of the people, calling for him to be assassinated even before he took office, saying he's a Russian stooge, saying he isn't legitimate, telling the people that voted for him that their voices shouldn't matter...well, isn't that how the Ukrainian opposition ran a legally elected President out of office?  Isn't that a coup?  Don't dictators rise out of coups?

So whichever way we want to approach the topic, many people at this party (the worldwide debates on Trump) on all sides can be accused of inciting a break-down in the 'norms' of society and all of them on all sides might be called Fascists-in-waiting.

But back to the analogy.  Hitler then created a judiciary in his own image, yes?  So how did that judiciary do with reference to being enemies of the people and upholding the law as they saw it? The fine principle doesn't always work, does it?

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:11 pm

Will this be the end of western civilization as we know it? To all the W Suprems like toppy you have not always been on top in this world. Before the rise of western civilization on Greece there were countless ancient powerful civilizations in the Americas Asia Africa. Egypt was as influential in its day as America is.

I urge the so called white suprems of today to re-visit history because your ancestors LIED to you. Your claims to civilization science and even GOD are false but ever since the reigns of power in the world were given to you you have developed a delusional view of yourselves and your people.

Remember white suprem did not start and end with Hitler the British practiced it the Dutch the French even Belgium as a people you committed crimes againt humanity and GOD alas for you these acts will be put upon you in the future to come.

Trump embodies this evil ideology and has given birth to it again but it has had its peak. There were days you could do and say whatever you liked you could enslave people without opposition you could r*** pillage and murder at will you could hang pregnant slave women upside down slit open their bellies and stomp on the pre mature baby heads like it was a melon. You could feed slave children to alligators as BAIT you could hunt down aboriginal families in OZ sticking bayonets up the virginas of women and killing wholesale in short you have already done terrible things to non whites in order to enhance you white suprem agenda.

Now you are in a minority because there are many brave logical white people who want to look at all people as equels but alas some yearn for the days of old where they ruled by fear. Trump now wants to persecute non white people and many are flocking to his call but please remember GOD controls this world and he has said in the bible that those who lead into captivity will themselves go into captivity its time to drop this myth of white supremacy and join with the rest of the world as one.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:14 pm

Worth remembering that 90% of the media in the US is Liberal so when you see the headlines they are always very anti-Trump....Like Fox news with Obama.....Everything is ramped up..

Trump approval ratings......

Rasmussen - Trump 57%
Gallup........- Trump 44%.......


ICM poll approval ratings......

Teresa May - 46%...........
Jeremy Corbyn 22%........

The only difference between May and Trump is the disapproval ratings.....Trump's are bigger because he is a love/hate figure......

You love him or you hate him....

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Post by Hero on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:20 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Will this be the end of western civilization as we know it? To all the W Suprems like toppy you have not always been on top in this world. Before the rise of western civilization on Greece there were countless ancient powerful civilizations in the Americas Asia Africa. Egypt was as influential in its day as America is.

I urge the so called white suprems of today to re-visit history because your ancestors LIED to you. Your claims to civilization science and even GOD are false but ever since the reigns of power in the world were given to you you have developed a delusional view of yourselves and your people.

Remember white suprem did not start and end with Hitler the British practiced it the Dutch the French even Belgium as a people you committed crimes againt humanity and GOD alas for you these acts will be put upon you in the future to come.

Trump embodies this evil ideology and has given birth to it again but it has had its peak. There were days you could do and say whatever you liked you could enslave people without opposition you could r*** pillage and murder at will you could hang pregnant slave women upside down slit open their bellies and stomp on the pre mature baby heads like it was a melon. You could feed slave children to alligators as BAIT you could hunt down aboriginal families in OZ sticking bayonets up the virginas of women and killing wholesale in short you have already done terrible things to non whites in order to enhance you white suprem agenda.

Now you are in a minority because there are many brave logical white people who want to look at all people as equels but alas some yearn for the days of old where they ruled by fear. Trump now wants to persecute non white people and many are flocking to his call but please remember GOD controls this world and he has said in the bible that those who lead into captivity will themselves go into captivity its time to drop this myth of white supremacy and join with the rest of the world as one.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:25 pm

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You love him or you hate him....

Surprisingly good point, Truss. (Not surprised that you'd make a good point! - merely that it's caught my attention in a good way)  It's of course a blatantly obvious point but still a point that is kinda ignored as much as possible because to say so offers even a degree of 'legitimacy' - so even that often used truism has been avoided like the plague.

However, I'm more interested in it for the quirk.

So I'd elaborate on that simple maxim.  I'd say Many 'Love' him because others Hate him.  And many 'Hate' him because others Love him.

He's a perfect Symbol for the perfect divide that has existed before he arrived in office and that will exist long after he goes.

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Post by Hero on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:34 pm

For years of people moaning that political parties have tried to appeal to the middle-ground and become a watered down version of each other with cookie-cut politicians then it's ironic that the moment a politician from a polarized viewpoint comes to the forefront the world then goes to hell in a hand-basket.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:35 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote: Trump now wants to persecute non white people and many are flocking to his call but please remember GOD controls this world and he has said in the bible that those who lead into captivity will themselves go into captivity its time to drop this myth of white supremacy and join with the rest of the world as one.

Why don't all them nice peoples that are afflicted by all the Whites and things just go and live in Saudi Arabia or China? Why do all the people that does be hating white people for all the things their ancestors done still like going to places where white people have big jobs and nice cars, and beer that's cold, and women that dress hot, and entertainment, and music, and films, and plays, and opera, and deep sea fishing, and Disney for the kids, and mountains to climb, and rivers to canoe in, and parks to play in and elections to vote in?


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Post by ShahenshahG on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:38 pm

Hero wrote:For years of people moaning that political parties have tried to appeal to the middle-ground and become a watered down version of each other with cookie-cut politicians then it's ironic that the moment a politician from a polarized viewpoint comes to the forefront the world then goes to hell in a hand-basket.

That's the way life succeeds - make an environment within which business can thrive and stay outside micro adjusting welfare/business cuts. Cameron's savage austerity tipped that over into desperation. NHS is getting another cut by the way.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:43 pm

Trump is for the elites he has assembled the wealthiest administration in US history with a combined wealth of 11 BILLION

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 4:48 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Trump is for the elites he has assembled the wealthiest administration in US history with a combined wealth of 11 BILLION

But isn't the point that the Administrations of 'poor normal bluecollar background folks' were also for the elites? Thus why the Billionaire and his band of billionaires were able to suggest, "well at least we're not pretending to be from your neck of the woods. So that's gotta be a bonus."

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 5:09 pm

For those that like good odds......Worth remembering Clinton ultimately lost because she couldn't get out the black vote where it counted in the rust belt.....Her numbers were well down on Obama..

16/1 Cory Booker for 2020.......

Looks a shoe in to me..Black....Handsome...Popular and increasing his profile all the time on all the right Tv shows...Looks like the new Barack and if four years of Trump goes down like Mary Decker in the 1984 Olympics more will be wishing Obama had never left !!.....

Crazy odds.....If I was a betting man I'd be laying down the notes..

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 5:17 pm

SecretFly wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:So today we awake to the news that an attorney general who think Trump's ban on Muslims is unlawful and wrong have "betrayed" the country. Once more, the parallels with 30's Germany are scarily accurate: judges, lawyers, etc. who stand up to fascism will be branded traitors and enemies of the people. Funny how the far right claim to be for free speech, bemoaning the overly PC culture etc., but the moment someone disagrees with them, criticises them, protests against them, they are incredibly quick to attempt to shut down that person's free speech...

First they came for the Muslims, did you speak out?
It's not really free speech, it's failing to carry out the instructions of your boss.
Amazing. Wasn't one of the lines Hitler's thugs used in their defence at Nuremberg etc: "I was just following orders"? I know Trump isn't Hitler, but we need mention of him every now again in these discussions.
Seriously though, although there are consequences (she got sacked), I think I trust her interpretation of the legalities of U.S. law etc a little more than Trump's and presumably she was actually just trying to prevent more embarrassment further down the line. That said, he obviously doesn't give a damn.

No...I'm not going to go to town on that post, navy! Wink  Quite a decent reading of the situation.  

But just using your posting as perhaps a reminder to the good lady herself.  Don't lose confidence, Ms Yates.  Don't feel down.  I think she might be needed further down the line by some of her own people (same political persuasion, so to speak) to give some defence advice to.  So I'm sure we'll still hear more from her in the future.
Why, thank-you! I'm not sure I agree with your last comment, but I know where you stand on that. Perhaps you should offer your services to Trump's new AG so he has all the locations of the skeletons should he be tasked to go after them. Personally, I suspect Trump has more to worry about.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 5:21 pm

Hero wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Will this be the end of western civilization as we know it? To all the W Suprems like toppy you have not always been on top in this world. Before the rise of western civilization on Greece there were countless ancient powerful civilizations in the Americas Asia Africa. Egypt was as influential in its day as America is.

I urge the so called white suprems of today to re-visit history because your ancestors LIED to you. Your claims to civilization science and even GOD are false but ever since the reigns of power in the world were given to you you have developed a delusional view of yourselves and your people.

Remember white suprem did not start and end with Hitler the British practiced it the Dutch the French even Belgium as a people you committed crimes againt humanity and GOD alas for you these acts will be put upon you in the future to come.

Trump embodies this evil ideology and has given birth to it again but it has had its peak. There were days you could do and say whatever you liked you could enslave people without opposition you could r*** pillage and murder at will you could hang pregnant slave women upside down slit open their bellies and stomp on the pre mature baby heads like it was a melon. You could feed slave children to alligators as BAIT you could hunt down aboriginal families in OZ sticking bayonets up the virginas of women and killing wholesale in short you have already done terrible things to non whites in order to enhance you white suprem agenda.

Now you are in a minority because there are many brave logical white people who want to look at all people as equels but alas some yearn for the days of old where they ruled by fear. Trump now wants to persecute non white people and many are flocking to his call but please remember GOD controls this world and he has said in the bible that those who lead into captivity will themselves go into captivity its time to drop this myth of white supremacy and join with the rest of the world as one.

Parklife.

Indeed. Miracle in took the forum arch race-baiter till the second paragraph to play his favourite card....

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 5:24 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:That depends on whether or not the order was illegal in the first place I think. Will be interesting to see if she has some legal recourse. It seems to me that pis sing off the judiciary in the US is the last thing a leader would want to do. They also have to be elected...usually that works for the republicans but once it begins to bite it might turn out to be a big hindrance.

.....As in the words of that auld hammy actor, Chuck Schumer: "they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"?

Hmmm, that's the CIA and the Judiciary that seem to have it in for Trump.  He must be oh-so-close to a few well hidden tombs, hiding many a dirty secret, in and around his new home.  

But apart from all that cinematic stuff Wink...so this is the Judiciary, is it?  They use their undoubted Power to hurt or kill-off a political rival or a dope that doesn't want to play by their self-designed rulebook?  That's its role in a 'Free' America?  

You've actually just given Trump a nice reason to sack them all.
Ah, the fetching tin foil is out again. You're extrapolating Shah's comment as if the judiciary in America are actually all bent. They'll obey the law, unlike Trump. Doesn't mean a few won't be a bit more eager to take cases against Trump though and that will only be his own fault.
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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 5:56 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Perhaps you should offer your services to Trump's new AG so he has all the locations of the skeletons should he be tasked to go after them. Personally, I suspect Trump has more to worry about.

Nah, there are a bundle of skeletons, navy - both political and otherwise.  Anybody who knows anything about American (and therefore world) history since let's say the first (Father) Bush Administration knows that things got decidedly curiouser and curiouser back then and hasn't really stopped being weird ever since.  I suppose it's because of the tool everyone has now at their disposal.  Their very own Biggest Library in the World right on their lap, where they can cross-reference and check quotes and look back at archived material and say "1+1 won't say 2 no matter how I key it in.  Something is wrong there - and therefore that other thing can't be right either, it ain't logical."  And so on and so on.

Un-American activities (whisper it) by the bucket-load I'll bet.  But there you go - can I say there'll be surprising court cases?  No.  But I won't be shocked if there are some pretty high profile ones.


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Post by SecretFly on Tue 31 Jan 2017, 6:00 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:That depends on whether or not the order was illegal in the first place I think. Will be interesting to see if she has some legal recourse. It seems to me that pis sing off the judiciary in the US is the last thing a leader would want to do. They also have to be elected...usually that works for the republicans but once it begins to bite it might turn out to be a big hindrance.

.....As in the words of that auld hammy actor, Chuck Schumer: "they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"?

Hmmm, that's the CIA and the Judiciary that seem to have it in for Trump.  He must be oh-so-close to a few well hidden tombs, hiding many a dirty secret, in and around his new home.  

But apart from all that cinematic stuff Wink...so this is the Judiciary, is it?  They use their undoubted Power to hurt or kill-off a political rival or a dope that doesn't want to play by their self-designed rulebook?  That's its role in a 'Free' America?  

You've actually just given Trump a nice reason to sack them all.
Ah, the fetching tin foil is out again. You're extrapolating Shah's comment as if the judiciary in America are actually all bent. They'll obey the law, unlike Trump. Doesn't mean a few won't be a bit more eager to take cases against Trump though and that will only be his own fault.

Ah, saying what Shah admitted to ain't so?  Good, you're a politician... like American judges.

I much prefer dealing with people with attitude rather than pretending judges/lawyers don't often colour 'interpretation' of Law to suit their own political bent.  That's why you have a Prosecutor and a Defender... one of those legal people is telling a lie, or know that they are defending a lie..... just ask Hillary Clinton - she laughed about it, didn't she. Wink

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Post by superflyweight on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 8:32 am

SecretFly wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:That depends on whether or not the order was illegal in the first place I think. Will be interesting to see if she has some legal recourse. It seems to me that pis sing off the judiciary in the US is the last thing a leader would want to do. They also have to be elected...usually that works for the republicans but once it begins to bite it might turn out to be a big hindrance.

.....As in the words of that auld hammy actor, Chuck Schumer: "they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"?

Hmmm, that's the CIA and the Judiciary that seem to have it in for Trump.  He must be oh-so-close to a few well hidden tombs, hiding many a dirty secret, in and around his new home.  

But apart from all that cinematic stuff Wink...so this is the Judiciary, is it?  They use their undoubted Power to hurt or kill-off a political rival or a dope that doesn't want to play by their self-designed rulebook?  That's its role in a 'Free' America?  

You've actually just given Trump a nice reason to sack them all.
Ah, the fetching tin foil is out again. You're extrapolating Shah's comment as if the judiciary in America are actually all bent. They'll obey the law, unlike Trump. Doesn't mean a few won't be a bit more eager to take cases against Trump though and that will only be his own fault.

Ah, saying what Shah admitted to ain't so?  Good, you're a politician... like American judges.

I much prefer dealing with people with attitude rather than pretending judges/lawyers don't often colour 'interpretation' of Law to suit their own political bent.  That's why you have a Prosecutor and a Defender... one of those legal people is telling a lie, or know that they are defending a lie..... just ask Hillary Clinton - she laughed about it, didn't she. Wink

Just utter, f*cking, wrong-headed nonsense.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 10:36 am

superflyweight wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:That depends on whether or not the order was illegal in the first place I think. Will be interesting to see if she has some legal recourse. It seems to me that pis sing off the judiciary in the US is the last thing a leader would want to do. They also have to be elected...usually that works for the republicans but once it begins to bite it might turn out to be a big hindrance.

.....As in the words of that auld hammy actor, Chuck Schumer: "they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"?

Hmmm, that's the CIA and the Judiciary that seem to have it in for Trump.  He must be oh-so-close to a few well hidden tombs, hiding many a dirty secret, in and around his new home.  

But apart from all that cinematic stuff Wink...so this is the Judiciary, is it?  They use their undoubted Power to hurt or kill-off a political rival or a dope that doesn't want to play by their self-designed rulebook?  That's its role in a 'Free' America?  

You've actually just given Trump a nice reason to sack them all.
Ah, the fetching tin foil is out again. You're extrapolating Shah's comment as if the judiciary in America are actually all bent. They'll obey the law, unlike Trump. Doesn't mean a few won't be a bit more eager to take cases against Trump though and that will only be his own fault.

Ah, saying what Shah admitted to ain't so?  Good, you're a politician... like American judges.

I much prefer dealing with people with attitude rather than pretending judges/lawyers don't often colour 'interpretation' of Law to suit their own political bent.  That's why you have a Prosecutor and a Defender... one of those legal people is telling a lie, or know that they are defending a lie..... just ask Hillary Clinton - she laughed about it, didn't she. Wink

Just utter, f*cking, wrong-headed nonsense.  

Life as a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist nut job must be a right doddle. You literally get to write and say whatever you want, never back it up, never substantiate your claims - and then as soon as someone asks you to and you can't, or debunks your theory, you get to point out that this infact reinforces your point about it all being a big conspiracy.

I call it the Samantha Brick paradigm. Inspired stuff.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 10:51 am

superflyweight wrote:
SecretFly wrote:

Ah, saying what Shah admitted to ain't so?  Good, you're a politician... like American judges.

I much prefer dealing with people with attitude rather than pretending judges/lawyers don't often colour 'interpretation' of Law to suit their own political bent.  That's why you have a Prosecutor and a Defender... one of those legal people is telling a lie, or know that they are defending a lie..... just ask Hillary Clinton - she laughed about it, didn't she. Wink

Just utter, f*cking, wrong-headed nonsense.  

Just fact ...but fact doesn't go down well with some people - gives them a tummy ache.

Every lawyer truly believes their client is always innocent, every prosecutor believes the defendant is truly guilty?
It's a game. But you go on believing the childish claptrap about nobility and dignity and pious jurisprudence of the Legal profession. It's a game they play - theatre.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 10:53 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:

Just utter, f*cking, wrong-headed nonsense.  

Life as a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist nut job must be a right doddle.  You literally get to write and say whatever you want, never back it up, never substantiate your claims - and then as soon as someone asks you to and you can't, or debunks your theory, you get to point out that this infact reinforces your point about it all being a big conspiracy.

I call it the Samantha Brick paradigm. Inspired stuff.


That's so harsh on Super, Top!!   Go easy on him Wink

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 11:08 am

What I find amusing is when Ken Bigley or that kind guy from the North West who was doing charity work got his head removed.....There is hardly a fuss made... even that comedian Billy Connolly did a few Bigley jokes if memory serves and it didn't affect his career..

But waterboard a couple of terrorists or terrorist-hangers on......and it's the end of the World..

Bollox to them....Collateral damage isn't going to be just one way in the war against terror.

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Post by Hero on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 11:15 am

Erm I think it was quite big news.
Or the reverse where a guy kills six Muslims in a mosque and it's considered a 'and in other news' section, yet if a Muslim killed six Christians in a church...

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 11:27 am

Hero wrote:Erm I think it was quite big news.
Or the reverse where a guy kills six Muslims in a mosque and it's considered a 'and in other news' section, yet if a Muslim killed six Christians in a church...

Indeed I'm still waiting for the far-right/Christian fundamentalist organisations to come out with a statement saying that not all of their supporters/members are terrorists, since they're usually so quick to demand the same from Muslim leaders in the reverse scenario.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 11:29 am

Also, re collateral damage, how many civilians have been killed by US bombs and drone strikes in the middle-east? Or do they not count?

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 11:31 am

Mad for Chelsea wrote:
Hero wrote:Erm I think it was quite big news.
Or the reverse where a guy kills six Muslims in a mosque and it's considered a 'and in other news' section, yet if a Muslim killed six Christians in a church...

Indeed I'm still waiting for the far-right/Christian fundamentalist organisations to come out with a statement saying that not all of their supporters/members are terrorists, since they're usually so quick to demand the same from Muslim leaders in the reverse scenario.

I'm still waiting for Trump to ban people from Canada as they pose a threat to the American Muslim population.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 01 Feb 2017, 11:55 am

Mad for Chelsea wrote:
Hero wrote:Erm I think it was quite big news.
Or the reverse where a guy kills six Muslims in a mosque and it's considered a 'and in other news' section, yet if a Muslim killed six Christians in a church...

Indeed I'm still waiting for the far-right/Christian fundamentalist organisations to come out with a statement saying that not all of their supporters/members are terrorists, since they're usually so quick to demand the same from Muslim leaders in the reverse scenario.

Garbage....When Charlie Hebdo happened people were saying we have to be careful not to take the pee out of Islam....Some radicals might be upset......Publications wouldn't print stories or pictures..

Why not???..We take the pee out of Atheists, Catholics and Christians all the time..

All one way.....

We shouldn't be bullied by this lot.....They can have some back..

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