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Post by Fernando on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 10:42 am

We're live from Portland as Michael Cole welcomes us. He's joined by Corey Graves and Byron Saxton.

- We go right to the ring and RAW General Manager Mick Foley waits with RAW Commissioner Stephanie McMahon. The ring is set up for a contract signing. Foley welcomes us but he doesn't seem happy. He hopes Triple H agrees with this because he does not. Foley welcomes Samoa Joe and out he comes in a suit.

Stephanie says Mick must be under the weather or something. She re-introduces Joe, calling him the hottest free agent of the new era. Stephanie hypes Joe up and he gets a mixed reaction. Stephanie wonders why Foley is against Joe coming in. Stephanie insults Foley again. Foley says he's been a big fan of Joe, he just doesn't agree with how he came in or the people he's associating himself with. Stephanie steps to the side and Joe takes the mic.

Joe says it took him 18 years to be standing in this ring right now. Joe says in those 18 years, when Foley claims to be such a big fan, only one man opened the door and gave him an opportunity, and if loyalty to that man means coming out and putting Seth Rollins on the shelf - so be it. Joe puts the whole RAW locker room on notice: he will come out night after night, he will beat up our heroes, choke them out and beat them up again when they wake up. Joe says The Destroyer has arrived and there's nothing we can do about it. Joe signs his RAW contract. Foley offers a handshake but the music hits and out comes Roman Reigns to a much more mixed reaction.

Reigns says Joe is out here talking tough and making threats. Reigns tells Joe to threaten him now that he's out here. Reigns says they've never met. He formally introduces himself and says he's the baddest man to step foot in WWE. The moment Joe signed his contract, he's in Reigns' yard. Reigns says Joe can either shut his mouth or get it caved in. Foley rants about how he's still the General Manager and his loyalty is to the fans. Foley makes Joe vs. Reigns for tonight's main event. Joe and Reigns face off as Stephanie gets in between them. Reigns' music hits as Joe leaves first with Stephanie right beside him.

- We go to the announcers to discuss tonight's show. Cole promises an injury update on Seth Rollins. Also, Bill Goldberg will respond to Brock Lesnar's WrestleMania 33 challenge. Also, Bayley vs. Nia Jax. We see Bayley, Cesaro and Sheamus walking backstage. We go to commercial.



Bayley vs. Nia Jax

Back from the break and out first comes Bayley. Nia Jax is out next.

The bell rings and they go at it. Bayley side steps early on and goes for offense but Nia turns it around and levels Bayley. Bayley fights back with elbows but Nia slams her. Nia shows off and wastes time as fans boo. Nia keeps up the attack and tells Bayley to stay down.

Bayley finally stuns her with the top rope and makes a comeback. Nia counters and launches Bayley into the bottom turnbuckle. We go to commercial with the referee checking on Bayley.

Back from the break and Nia keeps control. Bayley tries to fight back but has no luck. Nia floors Bayley again and mocks her. Bayley fights back again. Bayley looks to turn it around but Nia cuts her off and sends her to the floor. Nia launches Bayley into the barrier now. Bayley moves and Nia hits the ring post. Bayley sends her into the post again. Bayley returns to the ring as the referee counts.

RAW Women's Champion Charlotte Flair runs down to boos. She distracts the referee and Bayley. Bayley decks her, bringing her into the ring. Bayley dropkicks Charlotte to the floor. Bayley turns around to a Samoan Drop from Nia for the win.

Winner: Nia Jax

- After the match, Nia stands tall as we go to replays. Nia makes her exit as Charlotte stands tall over her with the title in the air. Bayley vs. Charlotte with the title on the line is announced for next week in Las Vegas.

- Still to come, Sami Zayn vs. WWE United States Champion Chris Jericho with the title on the line. Also, Cesaro and Sheamus get a title shot from RAW Tag Team Champions Cesaro and Sheamus. Plus Samoa Joe vs. Roman Reigns in the main event. Back to commercial.



Handicap Match: Braun Strowman vs. Dusty Wallace, James Stock, CC Bonin and Rob Pelley

Back from the break and out comes Braun Strowman as 4 jobbers wait in the ring in a huddle.

One guy runs away to the back as Braun looks on. Braun continues to destroy the other three opponents. Braun hits a running powerslam and stacks his opponents for the pin.

Winner: Braun Strowman

- After the match, Braun takes the mic. He's not happy with the competition Foley has sent him. Braun warned Foley and now he's coming to look for Foley. Braun marches to the back. His opponents are still stacked on top of each other. The cameras cut to the back and Braun finds Foley. Foley makes Braun vs. Roman Reigns for Fastlane on March 5th.

- The announcers hype the RAW debut of Akira Tozawa and lead us to a video package.



Akira Tozawa vs. Drew Gulak

Back from the break and Austin Aries is on commentary as Akira Tozawa comes out for his RAW debut. Drew Gulak waits in the ring.

Lots of back and forth to start. Tozawa nails a nice headbutt to the chest from the ring. He keeps control and brings it back in for a Shining Wizard for a 2 count. They go at it until Tozawa hits his German suplex and holds it for the pin.

Winner: Akira Tozawa

- After the match, Tozawa stands tall as we go to replays. Brian Kendrick comes out and offers a handshake to Tozawa. Kendrick welcomes Tozawa and leaves the ring as Tozawa goes back to the corner to celebrate.

- Still to come, Goldberg is here. Back to commercial.



- Back from the break and out comes WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens with WWE United States Champion Chris Jericho.

Owens brags on retaining the Universal Title last week. Jericho chimes in with how he will retain his title over Sami Zayn later tonight. Jericho has a bone to pick with someone else - someone people are calling the greatest of all time, someone who barely won a game yesterday. Jericho asks if we know what happens when you steal his nickname. You end up on The List. Jericho adds New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady to The List. Jericho calls him a stupid idiot and moves on to WrestleMania 33.

Jericho brings up Randy Orton going on to face the WWE Champion at WrestleMania 33 but he has a bigger match in mind for the Universal Title - Best Friend vs. Best Friend, title vs. title, #61MinuteMan vs. Kevin Owens. Jericho says it will be the biggest main event in the history of WrestleMania. Fans do the "yes!" chant for the match. Owens agrees that it's the biggest WrestleMania main event in history but he's not sure if he can fight his best friend. Fans boo. The music hits and out comes Bill Goldberg to a big pop.

The cameras follow Goldberg from the locker room to the ring. Goldberg calls them ladies and says they have two choices - step aside and live, or try to grow a pair and face him 2-on-1. Goldberg accepts Brock Lesnar's challenge for WrestleMania 33 and their match is on. Owens says it will be the perfect undercard match because he and Jericho are the main event. Owens asks if Goldberg knows why he's the longest reigning Universal Champion. Goldberg says it's because Owens has never faced him before. Goldberg challenges Owens to a title match at Fastlane. Jericho interrupts and talks down to Goldberg. Goldberg takes The List and adds himself to it. Jericho fires back and says he never liked Goldberg. Jericho says if Goldberg wants a match at Fastlane, he's got it... Goldberg vs. Owens for the title. Owens argues with Jericho. Goldberg ends up leaving while Owens isn't happy.

- Back from a commercial break and Owens is backstage with Jericho. Owens can't believe Jericho did this. Owens already has Foley trying to put him in all sorts of matches. Jericho says he's always had Owens' back and will do the same at Fastlane. Owens says Jericho volunteering him for Goldberg is not having his back. Owens storms off.



RAW Tag Team Title Match: Cesaro and Sheamus vs. Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson

We go to the ring and Enzo Amore and Big Cass are at ringside watching. Cesaro and Sheamus are out first. RAW Tag Team Champions Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson are out next for their first TV defense.

Sheamus starts off with Anderson. Sheamus takes control and in comes Cesaro. He works over Anderson but Anderson turns it around and tags in Gallows. Back and forth. Cesaro tags in Sheamus for a double team and a 2 count. Sheamus and Gallows trade shots in the middle of the ring. Gallows takes it to the corner and in comes Anderson. Cesaro comes back in for another double team and a 2 count as Enzo and Cass look on. We go to commercial with Gallows and Anderson in control.

Back from the break and Anderson is in control of Cesaro. Cesaro fights back and nails Gallows on the apron twice. Cesaro goes for a tag but Anderson hits him with a spinebuster for a 2 count. Cesaro side steps Anderson but Gallows comes in to stop him from tagging. Cesaro overpowers and finally tags in Sheamus. Sheamus unloads and gets a close 2 count.

Sheamus goes for the 10 forearms on the apron and nails them. Cesaro tags in for the double team on Anderson from the top. Gallows breaks it up at 2. Gallows with a big boot to Sheamus to send him to the floor. Cesaro unloads on Gallows, sending him to the floor. Enzo yells at Gallows. Gallows kicks Enzo in the face. Cass nails Gallows with a boot for the disqualification.

Winners by DQ: Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson

- After the bell, Cesaro and Sheamus aren't happy with Enzo and Cass. Gallows and Anderson leave with the titles as their music hits.

- Still to come, Reigns vs. Joe.



- Saxton leads us to a Black History Month video on baseball legend Jackie Robinson.



- Back from the break and we get the video on Triple H and Seth Rollins. Cole confirms that Rollins tore his MCL last week and that his WrestleMania 33 status is up in the air.



The New Day vs. The Shining Stars

We go to the ring and out comes Xavier Woods, Kofi Kingston and Big E as Primo and Epico wait in the ring. They knock the timeshare resorts gimmick. They also apparently announce that they have New Day ice cream coming soon. We go to commercial as they dance around the ring.

Back from the break and it's Woods and Big E in action tonight for The New Day. The Shining Stars have control of Woods as Kofi cheers him on. Big E finally gets the hot tag and unloads. Primo runs in but Woods takes him out, sending him to the floor. Epico comes from behind on Big E but doesn't realize Woods is legal. Big E holds him while Woods comes off the top for the win.

Winners: The New Day

- The announcers plug WWE Elimination Chamber and confirm Goldberg vs. Owens for Fastlane.

- Backstage segment with Chris Jericho and Charly Caruso. She asks about the situation with Owens and his match with Sami Zayn tonight. Jericho chalks it up to minor issues between best friends. Owens walks up and Jericho dismisses Charly. Owens and Jericho get back on the same page and end it with a hug.

- We get the 2017 WWE Hall of Fame video package for The Rock 'n' Roll Express.



WWE United States Title Match: Sami Zayn vs. Chris Jericho

We go to the ring and out comes Sami Zayn. WWE United States Champion Chris Jericho is out next with WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens. We get formal ring introductions from JoJo.

Back and forth to start. Sami shows Jericho up early on and nails the arm drags. Sami with a cradle for a 2 count. Jericho goes to the floor for a breather and a talk with Owens. Sami comes out and chases Jericho back into the ring. Jericho dropkicks him in the face as he enters. Jericho works Sami over in the corner and plays to the crowd now. Sami fights out. Sami makes a comeback and goes for a Helluva Kick but Jericho escapes to the floor. Sami runs the ropes and leaps out onto Jericho. Sami gets back to his feet as we go to commercial.

Back from the break and Sami is fighting back again. Jericho counters and hits the Lionsault for a 2 count. More back and forth. Sami blocks the Codebreaker and hits the exploder into the corner. Sami goes on to hit the Blue Thunderbomb for another close 2 count. More back and forth. Sami goes for the big DDT out of the corner but Jericho avoids it. Jericho with the Walls of Jericho now. Sami finally makes it to the bottom rope and the hold is broken.

Jericho distracts the referee, allowing Owens to nail a superkick from the floor. Sami stumbles around into a Codebreaker for the win.

Winner: Chris Jericho

- After the match, the Best Friends celebrate and leave together.

- The announcers plug Goldberg vs. Owens and Goldberg vs. Lesnar.

- Samoa Joe is backstage warming up. We go to commercial.



- Back from the break and Sasha Banks is backstage with a trainer. Charlotte walks in and rubs her success in, taunting Sasha for her injury. She hopes Sasha is able to watch her destroy Bayley next week. Charlotte says she thought "Roadblock: End of The Line" was just a tagline, not the end of Sasha's career. Charlotte walks out of the room.



- We go to the ring and Austin Aries has a mic. He's landed an interview with the WWE Cruiserweight Champion. The music hits and out comes Neville.

Aries thanks Neville for the exclusive interview. Aries brings up Rich Swann suffering an injury last week. Aries announces that tomorrow's WWE 205 Live will feature TJ Perkins vs. Tony Nese vs. Cedric Alexander vs. Noam Dar vs. Jack Gallagher in a Fatal 5 Way Elimination Match. The winner will face Neville for the title at Fastlane. Aries asks which opponent scares Neville the most. Neville says Aries must be delusional if he thinks anyone in the division scares him. Neville says the Fatal 5 Way is irrelevant because whoever wins will be forced to pay respects to the king. The music hits and out comes Cedric Alexander to interrupt.

Aries isn't happy with the interruption. Noam Dar's music hits next and he's out with a mic. He threatens to take the title from Neville and taunts Cedric for taking Alicia Fox. Jack Gallagher is out next. Aries still isn't happy with all the interruptions. Tony Nese is out next. TJ Perkins is out last and he also has a mic. Perkins reminds us he was the first Cruiserweight Champion. He says he actually knows what it takes to win the title and he's going to do it again. Perkins says he and Neville have unfinished business. PErkins says he came here to do this... he decks Nese and a big brawl breaks out. Neville kicks Perkins out of the ring. It comes down to Gallagher unloading on Neville with uppercuts and a dropkick that sends him to the floor. Gallagher runs for a dive but Dar trips him. Perkins launches himself out onto Dar and Gallagher. Nese runs the ropes and takes Perkins out. Cedric re-enters the ring and runs for a dive, nailing the other 4 challengers. Neville runs the ropes next and stops before diving out. He taunts the crowd and raises the title as we go to commercial.

- Back from the break and we get another vignette for Emma's return as Emmalina. They say she's coming soon next week but we've heard that before.



Neville, Tony Nese and Noam Dar vs. Jack Gallagher, TJ Perkins and Cedric Alexander

We go to the ring and a six-man is underway. Aries is back on commentary.

The finish sees Cedric get the pin on Dar after Neville walks out on his team.

Winners: Jack Gallagher, TJ Perkins and Cedric Alexander

- After the match, Gallagher, Perkins and Cedric stand tall.



- Jericho and Owens are backstage. Jericho says they need to show the world how strong their bond is, they need a festival. The Festival of Friendship will be the biggest celebration in WWE history. Jericho says next week's RAW is in Las Vegas, the perfect place for this big party. Jericho says it will be the WrestleMania of friendships. Owens seems a bit hesitant but says he wouldn't miss it for the world.

- Still to come, Reigns vs. Joe. We get a look back at Joe's contract signing earlier.

- Back from the break and the announcers lead us to a video for Elimination Chamber. The announcers also hype next week's RAW.



Samoa Joe vs. Roman Reigns

We go to the ring and out comes Roman Reigns for tonight's main event. Reigns makes his way down the ramp when Samoa Joe attacks from behind. Joe beats Reigns to ringside and sends him into the barrier. Joe drops Reigns with a clothesline. Joe slams Reigns into the apron as the referee looks on from the ring. Joe continues the beatdown on Reigns and rolls into the ring to some boos.

Joe goes back outside and sends Reigns into the ring post. Joe with a senton on the floor. Joe re-enters the ring. The referee comes out to check on Reigns. Back to commercial.

Back from the break and Reigns is standing in the corner. The referee finally calls for the bell and here we go. Joe unloads and beats Reigns down in the corner. Joe keeps control and beats Reigns around with ease.

Reigns fights back and sends Joe outside. Reigns follows and launches Joe into the barrier. Reigns brings it back into the ring and goes to work on Joe in the corner. Joe turns it around in the opposite corner and drops Reigns with a kick. Reigns eats chops from Joe. Reigns fires right back with right hands. Joe cuts him off with an elbow. Joe with a chop to the neck, kicks and an elbow drop for a 2 count. Joe keeps control and works Reigns around the ring. Joe keeps Reigns down with a knee to the spine now.

Reigns looks to make another comeback now. They trade shots in the middle of the ring. Reigns with strikes and headbutts. Reigns with a big clothesline off the ropes. More back and forth. Joe drops Reigns and hits another senton for a 2 count. Joe stalks Reigns into the corner and beats him around some more. Reigns catches Joe with a Samoan Drop out of nowhere. Reigns with a 2 count. Reigns readies for a Superman punch but Joe rolls to the floor. Reigns runs around and hits the Drive By. Reigns rolls Joe back into the ring and waits. Reigns nails a Superman punch. The music hits and out comes Braun Strowman to interrupt.

Braun marches to the ring as Reigns looks on. Reigns nails him on the apron with a right hand. Braun just eats it and stares at Reigns. Reigns with a Superman punch to knock Braun off the apron. Joe with a kick from behind to Reigns. Joe ends up catching Reigns in a suplex for the pin.

Winner: Samoa Joe

- After the match, Braun looks on from ringside as Joe stands tall. We go to replays. Braun enters the ring and scoops Reigns for the running powerslam. Braun stands over Reigns before kicking him under the bottom rope. Braun follows Reigns to the floor but Reigns fights back. Braun drops him with one big blow. Reigns takes apart the steel steps and waits for Reigns to get up. Braun runs and smacks Reigns in the face with the steps. Braun yells and tosses the steps before going back after Reigns. Braun scoops Reigns and hits a big running powerslam through the barrier. Referees check on Reigns and warn Braun to back off as RAW goes off the air

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 12:27 pm

'Jericho interrupts and talks down to Goldberg. Goldberg takes The List and adds himself to it. Jericho fires back and says he never liked Goldberg. '

Shooting going on here

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 4:27 pm

Raw has improved a lot this calendar year. Coincidence since Smackdown over took them on the ratings in the last show of 2016?

Goldberg vs Lesnar to main event wrestlemania for the title?

Jericho vs Owens to settle for the US title?

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Post by GSC on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 7:03 pm

Goldberg Lesnar for the title has car crash written all over it.

And we really don't need another Lesnar part time reign
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 9:54 pm

Raw has improved? Really says something for how bad it was before then

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 10:14 pm

I think Vince will want RAW to have the blockbuster Title match so I get the appeal of Goldberg vs Brock, these guys have been prime athletes, I'm hopeful they can do a 12 minute match, add all the pre-match glitz, glam and ending too it and you could swallow up 25-30mins to justify it's spot.

I want Lesnar to win the Title again, I want to see a Lesnar/Samoa Joe fued over the belt, I think that has must see written all over it.

I don't know if we'll see an Owens/Jericho Mania, infact now I'm thinking about it Owens might get added to Goldberg/Lesnar for his re-match which could at the very least the protect Goldberg and add an extra 10 minutes to the match.

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Post by Crimey on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 10:33 am

I totally get why they are going to put the title on the Goldberg/Lesnar match. Right now the title feels meaningless, it had the one day reign from Balor and then Kevin Owens has been booked really poorly. Unfortunately it's not salvageable to just start booking Owens better, so putting it on the readymade stars to give the title more prestige is a good idea. I just worry about the quality of the match.

I also think Lesnar as champion back in 2014-15 made the title seem really important. I understand why some didn't like him not always being there but I think he was the last really credible world champion, he elevated the title as he genuinely felt like an unbeatable champion. I'm not against seeing something similar again. 

Especially if he destroys Goldberg at Wrestlemania, I think that would make a really good story. Everybody thought Goldberg had his number, but when he can't get the quick spear, what happens? Lesnar takes him apart wins the title, Goldberg goes out on his back and then you have Lesnar as the unbeatable champion again. It's a shame it will almost definitely be Reigns that beats him, but in theory that's a good story.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 12:51 pm

I don't care if Roman beats him....so long as we get a Brock vs Joe match before The Beast is beaten by Roman after 20 suplexes, two f5's one onto steel steps or through table or something Wink

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 1:40 pm

If the long term plan for Brock is to put Roman over the fans will Poopie all over that

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Post by Mr H on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 2:39 pm

I thought Reigns' promo was really good. He came across badass and tweenerish. I love how he gets more heat than most heels but unlike Cena I can actually see them pulling the trigger on a full on heel turn this year.

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Thu 09 Feb 2017, 11:59 am

By all accounts he isn't shifting merch at a great rate (good but not near Cena levels obvs). Only Vince being stubborn should get in the way of a natural heel turn

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Post by Samo on Thu 09 Feb 2017, 7:28 pm

Im fine with Brock vs Goldberg for the title. Brock will still be 1-2 in the series but they've told such a good story with them recently that giving Brock the biggest victory of the three immediately rebuilds him as the beast he was this time two years ago.

Im just bummed out that Kevin Owens has to get squashed on the way.

Pinning Lesnar clean is almost becoming the new streak, its going to be a massive rub when it finally properly happens so they need to take great care with it.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 09 Feb 2017, 7:43 pm

It has happened. They blew it on an old man who never had much talent in his prime

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Post by GSC on Thu 09 Feb 2017, 8:40 pm

Eh, you can write off Goldberg surprising Brock Lesnar if Lesnar crushes him in a rematch.

Its still going to be a major deal when he loses to a lesser name
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Post by Electric Demon on Thu 09 Feb 2017, 9:47 pm

Goldberg vs Lesnar was the single moment in a whole year that reminded me of why I fell in love with wrestling

For that it was completely worth it

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 09 Feb 2017, 10:45 pm

To me it was the perfect example of everything wrong with WWE. Only effort to do something of note was for a man over the hill and of no use beyond this year

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Post by Electric Demon on Thu 09 Feb 2017, 11:10 pm

It was shock and awe

That's what it's all about.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 9:43 am

Is it? Thats another issue. Shock and awe needs to be worth something. When the only value is a shock, where is the gain? Been conditioned to expect and react to shock due to a golden era where there were shocks aplenty, but if they can only make these things happen with your Goldberg's or The Rock or someone else old then its just pointless.

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Post by GSC on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 10:52 am

It was a moment where everyone was talking about it like the streak.

Not everything needs to have a long term payoff. An up and comer beating Lesnar clean will still be as much of a shock as it was before
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Post by Scott is Back on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 11:19 am

Im with Dolph - feels like WWE have spent an age building up or reinforcing Brock to be a beast, then to just blow it on Goldberg....who i dont think was worth that pay-off.

Yes he can probably redeem it in some way, but for me, its all a little pointless.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 11:25 am

GSC wrote:It was a moment where everyone was talking about it like the streak.

Not everything needs to have a long term payoff. An up and comer beating Lesnar clean will still be as much of a shock as it was before
Not everything does, but something does. 

And it wasn't the streak, which will be discussed forever. It was something different in a sea of mundaneity. It was shocking, it was interesting, but it was indicative of their failings.

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Post by Mr H on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 1:47 pm

The long term payoff will be Lesnar finally beating Goldberg, go on a title run and look an absolute beast again before putting over the up and coming Roman Reigns.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 2:04 pm

That's the long term payoff? Getting massively weakened by an old man will help him look stronger than before he got beaten by him?

The moment itself I can fully understand enjoying, but there are more holes in it than Blackburn, Lancashire.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 2:24 pm

rightly or wrongly Goldberg is considered a beast himself, someone who is strong enough and badass enough that he could beat anyone on his day if he lands the first blow, that's what happened, I don't think it proved a lack of direction from WWE or wasted Lesnar, it was genuinely interesting to see Lesnar humbled the way he was.

I don't think anyone would believe Goldberg could out wrestle or out stamina Lesnar so the only way he could beat him is if he landed first, which he did, it adds that unpredictablity to the fold, it showed people that Lesnar if you can fight fire with fire and get in there first, he can be beaten, for too long he's looked untouchable and while I've never felt he should lose any feud he's been in since the streak, it now gives people an insight into what it will take to beat him and how it can be done.

I also think Lesnar was booked so strongly that fans took him for granted, that humbling from Goldberg has shown his vulnerability which in turn I'm sure will be swallowed up by the fans, winning the Title, having a feud with Joe in the spring and dropping it to Reigns at SummerSlam would be excellent booking IMO.

These are all branches from having Goldberg squash him, if it plays out like that then I'd defy anyone to say it was a waste of time or did nothing for WWE.

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Post by GSC on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 2:27 pm

To be honest invincible Brock has been pretty boring for me since the shock factor of demolishing WWEs established stats wore off. The Goldberg match was far more interesting than when he beat the **** out of Orton
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Post by Beer on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 2:56 pm

Mr H wrote:The long term payoff will be Lesnar finally beating Goldberg, go on a title run and look an absolute beast again before putting over the up and coming Roman Reigns.

Have they got someone in NXT then with the same name?

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Post by Kay Fabe on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 2:58 pm

GSC wrote:To be honest invincible Brock has been pretty boring for me since the shock factor of demolishing WWEs established stats wore off. The Goldberg match was far more interesting than when he beat the **** out of Orton

I get that, I don't find him boring just because no-one he's faced should've beat him, totally agree that losing in the manner he did reinvigorated people's appeal for Brock

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 3:34 pm

All ignores who it was and what it could be for someone. So, yes, huge aspects of it were a waste. 

It's a load of arguments I fully understand for making the decision of that humbling, but you don't then put it on Goldberg. 

I'm not arguing that the exact moment wasn't interesting, although I think it's been slightly over-egged here as some immortal moment. But as far as I'm concerned it has done nothing for WWE as a product or for its future. 

Wholly preferred Sheamus's win over Bryan, which I still think was one of their better booking decisions in years

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Post by Electric Demon on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 7:45 pm

The payoff WAS the moment. That's entertainment. That's believing that anything can happen. People were given something to talk about. A water cooler moment that are so rare in today's WWE.

Every single thing in the show can't be geared towards creating new stars for the future. It's the Arsenal of TV shows then. You can mix it up.

Brock can go on another big run and then someone fresh can beat him and it will still have the same effect. It's not as if Brock has never lost before.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 10:23 pm

Again, why is THE MOMENT being used on Goldberg?! Thats my problem! The massive moment happens still if it a main roster talent.

Why is because of where it is leading us again. Goldberg/Lesnar at Mania, now looking like its for the title. Hell, I'll eat my words if both men go on and benefit others with it, or even if they put on a suitable match, but instead it'll displace better wrestlers.

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Post by GSC on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 10:33 pm

I honestly don't think giving Goldberg (one of the most dominant guys in history) a fluke win over Brock diminishes an underdog beating him.
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Post by owen10ozzy on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 11:30 pm

Problem with that GSC is when a guy is 3-0 in match ups the word fluke can't be used. I'm including Rumble because ultimately it came down to them two in a given moment and Goldberg got the better of him again)

On the overall topic I'm veering on the side of Dolph; I do feel that the moment was wasted TBH...you could have had Goldberg look immense without actually beating Brock 1 on 1....could have simply had Goldberg announce he was back for the rumble from the get go..have Brock dominate the Rumble...then have Goldberg come out, hit the spear, jackhammer and eliminate Brock. That would have been equally amazing TBH...would have had a huge impact and would have set them up nicely for Mania! Could have been written almost exactly the same too....Heyman/Brock dismiss Goldberg as a threat to stopping a dead cert Rumble victory...only for Goldberg to cost the Beast his path to Mania main event status! At Fastlane...Brock comes out and costs Goldberg...sets them up for Mania still without wasting that pin fall shock on a 50yr old when it could have been used on someone else who will be with company for next 5/10 years and is close enough to being at the top, is reliable and just needs that huge moment to make him 'THE MAN'! AJ Styles...Joe....Rollins....Reigns even...all would benefit more from the win and in medium to long term it's a much bigger pay off for WWE...

You can say 'oh but all Brock has to do is win at Mania and go on another run'...but TBH people who have said that are the same who say they got bored of Brock dominating people in first place...your having a shock and awe moment only for him to return to rag dolling people (full timers again lest we forget and usually the younger stars) just to build up that aura once again when it was already their...pointless plain and simple.

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Post by GSC on Fri 10 Feb 2017, 11:50 pm

So we get the moment and the aura?
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Post by owen10ozzy on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 12:00 am

Huh? No...I'm saying the moment has already been used...the aura has gone, regardless of what they do from here on out its never going to the same again, even with a big unbeaten and dominating run whenever a young guy goes over him it won't be 'the man who beat the conquering beast' it will be 'the man who beat the beast who was beaten by a 50yr old who hadn't wrestled in almost a decade'!

You can of course build an aura around him again, but as said it won't be the same and it's a pointless exercise creating that aura when it was already their waiting to be used. To build that monster, unstoppable aura he will again have to tear through the roster and on the way go over a couple of the young guns who are established..

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Post by GSC on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 12:27 am

I'll be honest, I may be lazy but I probably won't be the only one who doesn't bother referring to Brock as 'the man who beat the beast who was beaten by a 50yr old who hadn't wrestled in almost a decade'.

It's still Goldberg. Does a minnow beating Barcelona lose prestige because Barca lost to Real a week earlier.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 11:34 am

Not really how it works. Unless you spend weeks watching their players deliver promos back and forth. And football is scripted.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 2:25 pm

Also that's picking a context to fit your argument if ever I saw it...

if you wanted to use that Logic it would Actually be a Barca team beaten last week by a Real team made up of exactly same players as a team that beat them 10 years ago...

Impressive...yes...as impressive...no where near and with plenty of asterix next to it.

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Post by Crimey on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 2:38 pm

The fact that the full time younger wrestler would be considered a "minnow" is part of the problem. It's sad that Goldberg is WWE's Real Madrid and they have barely anybody else who is on that level who actually is in their prime and available full time.

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Post by GSC on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 3:14 pm

It's Brock Lesnar and Goldberg. Theres a limited group of people all time that are on their "level" reputation wise.
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Post by Electric Demon on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 5:20 pm

I agree with GSC

For a lot of people, Goldbergs return was a joy to see, and the match made that all the more special. He is one of very few at his level of iconic-ness, synonymous with an era. You can't manufacture it. No-one can step up to that level because this doesn't feel like an era, it's just business as usual.

WWE can't really win. If a "new" guy beats Lesnar, the next time that guy loses, a nothing match on Raw, to Sami Zayn, then beating Lesnar was "wasted". If instead he himself goes on a massive winning run then he is "rammed down our throats" and the fans boo him.

Better to create moments that live long in the memory than to try and please the unpleasable

Everyone whinged that they gave the Survivor Series main event to sell a video game. Then when they proved they were actually telling a story with it, then it wasn't the right story. Can't win.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 5:29 pm

True, they can't win, but that is true whether you agree on this one point then don't like something else. 

I believe it was the wrong choice, and the way to stop people moaning when the person loses a Raw match to Sami Zayn is to not have them in that position. For they can win if they manage their full-time roster properly. They can't win in this system, but that's their fault, and created by these kinds of decisions.

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Post by westisbest on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 8:49 pm

When did mickie james come back to wwe.

When did Samoa joe debut?

Don't really watch it anymore, but saw they were in it.
Find mickie hot, joe not so much.

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Post by Marky on Sat 11 Feb 2017, 8:55 pm

westisbest wrote:Find joe hot, mickey not so much.

Weird.

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Post by Electric Demon on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 1:46 am

Marky wrote:
westisbest wrote:Find joe hot, mickey not so much.

Weird.

I know, right? Joes got a smashing rack

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Post by Samo on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 11:02 am

I prefered Joe in TNA when he had the big black tribal mickey slapped across his face.

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Post by westisbest on Mon 13 Feb 2017, 9:16 am

Marky wrote:
westisbest wrote:Find joe hot, mickey not so much.

Weird.

If that's your thing, then good for you

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