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Post by alive555 on Sun 12 Feb 2017, 8:39 pm

First topic message reminder :

Its Stuart Hogg

no question whatsoever
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Post by SecretFly on Thu 16 Feb 2017, 3:01 pm

Scottrf wrote:He was talking about Martin Johnson, Gavin Hastings, Brian O'Driscoll and Gareth Edwards ...
It's there in the nested quote.

A Chancer, a waffler, a coward and an overrated player?

Where's the Lions Greats was the question. Whistle Wink


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Post by rodders on Thu 16 Feb 2017, 3:02 pm

Scottrf wrote:He was talking about Martin Johnson, Gavin Hastings, Brian O'Driscoll and Gareth Edwards ...
It's there in the nested quote.

Those fella's know what side their bread is buttered on for sure.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 16 Feb 2017, 3:07 pm

wayne wrote:
Yeh that's why 4 Lion greats are selecting him. Why I'm conversing with you I don't know, you really are not worth the bother.

Being a great player doesn't make you a great judge of player and it's an odd stance to hold. Another Lions great in Jeremy Guscott wouldn't have him in the XV but I'm guessing that his opinion doesn't matter as it differs to yours.

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Post by cascough on Thu 16 Feb 2017, 3:53 pm

R!skysports wrote:
cascough wrote:
propdavid_london wrote:The remaining 6N fixtures will no doubt change opinion on possible lions selections.  
England have the perceptively weaker Italy up next at home, while Scotland play Wales and Ireland play France.

Any Stirling performances by Scots, Welsh and Irish will enhance their Lions prospects.
For England players and previously Irish - the match against Italy is a bit of a banana skin.  A bad performance against a perceived weak Italy could really knock close contenders out of the Lions running.

Italy aren't perceptively weak. Look at their results, they are demonstrably weak. It's a big difference.

I don't say that out of mere pedantry, I think it's pertinent to a Lions discussion.

Lots of people get excited about Scottish players even though they have lost so so many games over the last few years. Scotland, currently, as with Italy are a demonstrably poor team. The list of Scotland players that people are getting excited about is seemingly growing. Now to a degree I understand why this is happening, especially after their excellent result against Ireland. But given the championship is not over yet, that could still be a false dawn for Scotland and a mere bump in the road for Ireland.

I personally want to win against NZ. So I've very little time for romantic or nationalistic picks. I said before the tournament that given the autumns the teams had I would be entirely in favour of a lions XV made out of entirely Ireland players, or one made out of entirely England players. Both of those teams demonstrated that they have what it takes to win.

Obviously Ireland have had a little bump in the road and depending on which way the rest of the tournament goes I may have to reevaluate just how good I think those teams are. What I see a lot of on here though is people trying to champion who should play for the Lions, and very little of it is based on actual results or performance. Finn Russell is an example I've used before. People pick him because they like the notion of a running fly half, or he's eye catching and has a lovely pass. Forget the fact that in a test match he is flakey, has questionable temperament and game management and contributes to a teams failings. Odd





ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHH

why do people keep bringing up Russel to tell us Scots that we are deluded that the player of last 6 nations, one of the form 15's in the world, the one playing in the Champion Cup knock out stages, who has already scored 3 tries and the one most impartial pundits are saying it is his to lose


WE HAVE ALREADY SAID RUSSEL IS UNLIKELY TO GO

Please stop going back to that one time and time again




Okay, Russell being unlikely to go and whether or not people think he should go are 2 different things, but I'll assume you mean to say that you have already said Russell shouldn't go.

Russell is still being touted, on here and all over other forms of social media.

Russell is just one example, there are others creeping in. I've heard Hamish Watson, Laidlaw, Nel, Fagerson et al.

As well as just being part of a generally poor team achieving poor results in recent history there are other silly picks. One mentioned today was Sam Davies. Now Wales have obviously been pretty decent in recent history but Sam Davies is a player who hasn't been a part of it and has achieved precisely squat on the international stage.

Re your reference to Hogg, there may well be exceptions, but they should be just that. Some people would be taking half the Scottish team and so I can only assume they must think the other half are absolutely hopeless (to explain Scotlands results over the last few years) or perhaps the half they are picking just aren't that good and they are picking favourites?

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Post by Gwlad on Thu 16 Feb 2017, 5:07 pm

Scottrf wrote:He was talking about Martin Johnson, Gavin Hastings, Brian O'Driscoll and Gareth Edwards ...
It's there in the nested quote.

BOD has no place in that list, especially in Lions terms

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 16 Feb 2017, 5:46 pm

Arguably one of the best centres of all time.

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 16 Feb 2017, 6:06 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Arguably one of the best centres of all time.
I like rolos.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 8:42 am

Prefer munchies but each to their own.

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Post by lostinwales on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 12:19 pm

R!skysports wrote:
cascough wrote:
propdavid_london wrote:The remaining 6N fixtures will no doubt change opinion on possible lions selections.  
England have the perceptively weaker Italy up next at home, while Scotland play Wales and Ireland play France.

Any Stirling performances by Scots, Welsh and Irish will enhance their Lions prospects.
For England players and previously Irish - the match against Italy is a bit of a banana skin.  A bad performance against a perceived weak Italy could really knock close contenders out of the Lions running.

Italy aren't perceptively weak. Look at their results, they are demonstrably weak. It's a big difference.

I don't say that out of mere pedantry, I think it's pertinent to a Lions discussion.

Lots of people get excited about Scottish players even though they have lost so so many games over the last few years. Scotland, currently, as with Italy are a demonstrably poor team. The list of Scotland players that people are getting excited about is seemingly growing. Now to a degree I understand why this is happening, especially after their excellent result against Ireland. But given the championship is not over yet, that could still be a false dawn for Scotland and a mere bump in the road for Ireland.

I personally want to win against NZ. So I've very little time for romantic or nationalistic picks. I said before the tournament that given the autumns the teams had I would be entirely in favour of a lions XV made out of entirely Ireland players, or one made out of entirely England players. Both of those teams demonstrated that they have what it takes to win.

Obviously Ireland have had a little bump in the road and depending on which way the rest of the tournament goes I may have to reevaluate just how good I think those teams are. What I see a lot of on here though is people trying to champion who should play for the Lions, and very little of it is based on actual results or performance. Finn Russell is an example I've used before. People pick him because they like the notion of a running fly half, or he's eye catching and has a lovely pass. Forget the fact that in a test match he is flakey, has questionable temperament and game management and contributes to a teams failings. Odd





ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHH

why do people keep bringing up Russel to tell us Scots that we are deluded that the player of last 6 nations, one of the form 15's in the world, the one playing in the Champion Cup knock out stages, who has already scored 3 tries and the one most impartial pundits are saying it is his to lose


WE HAVE ALREADY SAID RUSSEL IS UNLIKELY TO GO

Please stop going back to that one time and time again




Yeah but do we need yet another fly half on the tour?

Run

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Post by TightHEAD on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 2:20 pm

By the mumblings coming from Gatland, Warburton is on the plane and in the starting lineup already.


"He's been outstanding in the first couple of games in the way he's competed (at the break-down) and brought physicality," picard

"New Zealand have got three or four open-sides that are very strong at the break-down and you've got to be able to have someone who can do that," picard
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Post by Gwlad on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 2:51 pm

TightHEAD wrote:By the mumblings coming from Gatland, Warburton is on the plane and in the starting lineup already.


"He's been outstanding in the first couple of games in the way he's competed (at the break-down) and brought physicality,"   picard

"New Zealand have got three or four open-sides that are very strong at the break-down and you've got to be able to have someone who can do that," picard

Maybe we should bring Tom Wood, picard Robshaw picard or Haskell picard instead.

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Post by TightHEAD on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 2:58 pm

Gwlad wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:By the mumblings coming from Gatland, Warburton is on the plane and in the starting lineup already.


"He's been outstanding in the first couple of games in the way he's competed (at the break-down) and brought physicality,"   picard

"New Zealand have got three or four open-sides that are very strong at the break-down and you've got to be able to have someone who can do that," picard

Maybe we should bring Tom Wood, picard Robshaw picard or Haskell picard instead.

All three have beaten the All Blacks, so I'd go with Robshaw and Haskell.
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Post by Gwlad on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 3:16 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:By the mumblings coming from Gatland, Warburton is on the plane and in the starting lineup already.


"He's been outstanding in the first couple of games in the way he's competed (at the break-down) and brought physicality,"   picard

"New Zealand have got three or four open-sides that are very strong at the break-down and you've got to be able to have someone who can do that," picard

Maybe we should bring Tom Wood, picard Robshaw picard or Haskell picard instead.

All three have beaten the All Blacks, so I'd go with Robshaw and Haskell.

None are victorious Lions captains, or even Lions at all.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 3:22 pm

Cool. Cuthbert on the wing then.

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Post by majesticimperialman on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 3:57 pm

Did Warburton not injured on the Last Lions?

Surely we cannot afford to take some one who will break easy?

We need some one made of sterner stuff.

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Post by Gwlad on Fri 17 Feb 2017, 5:31 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Did Warburton not injured on the Last Lions?

Surely we cannot afford to take some one who will  break easy?

We need some one made of sterner stuff.

Haskell? Billy V? Mako ? Kruis? Or maybe Dylan assuming he isn't suspended (as if right?)

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