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Post by Rugby Fan on Thu 23 Feb 2017, 10:52 am

The Blues went to Melbourne and smashed the Rebels 18-56. The Rebels led something like 12-3 after about 25 minutes then just started turning the ball over and got blown away.

Rieko Ioane scored a hat trick of tries. He and his brother Akira have looked good prospects for a while.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 24 Feb 2017, 11:30 am

A rare bonus point away win for the Chiefs against the Highlanders. Super Rugby will be the only benchmark to judge New Zealand players before the Lions tour starts. So far - in a small sample - they've looked better than the Australian and South African sides.

Highlanders had a lot of possession early on but didn't make it count, and fell behind. Life got worse with injuries to Ben Smith (concussion) and Aaron Smith (hand). It was a game of home side mistakes, so not quite the festival or rugby which some had hoped for.

Reds beat the Sharks 28-26 at home but threatened to lose the game. Cooper was off-target with kicking, and might have put them in control much earlier if he'd got them. Reds have been talked up this season, with a lot of experience returning, but things looked a bit rusty.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 25 Feb 2017, 5:33 am

Sunwolves are hosting the Hurricanes, and are losing 5-83. There are more than twenty minutes left to go.

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Post by Galted on Sat 25 Feb 2017, 2:56 pm

Sunwolves managing a mini-comeback to only lose by 17-83.
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Re: Super Rugby 2017 Season

Post by kingelderfield on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 7:36 pm

Week 2

Huge game friday morning, Blues vs Cheifs. As a Lions Watch this will give them a good idea of what there up against

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/video.cfm?c_id=80&gal_cid=80&gallery_id=172117

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 03 Mar 2017, 7:23 am

Steven Luatua, who has signed for Bristol, has just been red-carded for a high tackle. The Chiefs took advantage of the extra man to score a try just before half time. They lead the Blues 22-9.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 6:56 am

Sunwolves might not feel so bad losing 17-83 to the Hurricanes. Melbourne Rebels just lost 71-6. That might be a one point better gap but at least the Sunwolves managed three tries.

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 7:23 am

It's the ability/skills to see or create and exploit space at pace that is the Kiwi point of difference.

You'll see similar in the nrl, but in Union NZ still are a step above.

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Post by kingelderfield on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 7:53 am

Highlanders looking v good over the Crusaders; Sopoaga, Fekitoa and Nahola all looking exceptional.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 8:35 am

Highlanders 27 - 30 Crusaders

The Highlanders led 27-6 at one point in the second half. The Crusaders got to 27-16 but the game really changed in the last ten minutes, when the Highlanders drew a yellow card and went down to 14 men. Two converted tries saw the Crusaders snatch an amazing comeback win.

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Re: Super Rugby 2017 Season

Post by kingelderfield on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 8:48 am

Crusaders come back to win in style and the Fijian Tamanivalu scores to take the win (he is an AB ed.) (yer but his is really Fijian and ffs if rugby every sorts the rules out and if any of the supposed better nations; nz,oz,sa,eng or fr even dares to respect and bothers to tour Fiji then we might see the truth reveal itself in a few short years.

In mean time the status quo.....pillage, r*** the normal.

Anyway great game of rugby!

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Post by Rugby Fan on Mon 06 Mar 2017, 1:47 am

Didn't catch too many matches but the main theme of the weekend seems to be how poorly the Australian teams are doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/05/waratahs-defeat-to-lions-compounds-australian-teams-super-rugby-struggles

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 12 Mar 2017, 9:32 am

Australian teams still struggling. The Reds looked to have the beating of the Crusaders, which would have turned the tide. However, they contrived to leak 10 points right at the death, despite having a man advantage.

Sunwolves only lost by seven in South Africa, while the Jaguares won, so it wasn't a bad week for them.

In general, though, there's still a lot of uncertainly over the future of Super Rugby, with SANZAAR expected to make some announcements soon. The format seems far too complex for the average viewer, and it's having an impact on crowds and audiences.


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Re: Super Rugby 2017 Season

Post by kingelderfield on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 7:31 am

All these NZ derbies make great watching,

Super duper, particularly NZ teams play a different game to the Jeff and GT competitions. Different strokes etc. All good to see.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Mon 20 Mar 2017, 5:54 am

kingelderfield wrote:All these NZ derbies make great watching,

Super duper, particularly NZ teams play a different game to the Jeff and GT competitions. Different strokes etc. All good to see.

 Not if your a Blues supporter.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 11:24 am

Sunwolves vs Stormers is a treat to watch. Attack and counterattack in teh first 20 minutes. The Sunwolves lead 17-10

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 25 Mar 2017, 11:28 am

Another Sunwolves try has them ahead 24-10. That one was two locks combining in a midfield break.

The Sunwolves are trying chip kicks ahead from their own goal line.

The Stormers scored a peach of a try themselves, and butchered another, so they are also here to play.

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Re: Super Rugby 2017 Season

Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Mon 27 Mar 2017, 9:55 am

Stormers switched to plan B & kept it tight in the 2nd half and blew the Sunwolves forwards away to win.


A good summary of the weekend from an Aussie perspective
http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/03/27/wrap-super-rugby-game-three-halves/

3 wins out of 3 for the NZ teams this weekend (Hurricanes and Chiefs had byes) - the NZ conference is looking like a 3 way fight between the Crusaders, Chiefs and Hurricanes, with the Highlanders being hampered by a horrendous injury list, and the Blues hampered (for the 12th year in a row) by the lack of a top grade #10 - both are still good enough to be in the top half of the competition overall though.

The Jaguares look good early on, especially as the draw means they avoid most of the NZ teams - they have to go to SA on tour now which will give a better gauge, but they look like a good outside bet for the playoffs. Granted this weekend they faced a Reds side incapable of converting possession into points.

Reliable rumour in Australia has it that the Rebels are safe from the chop (it'd cost the ARU too much to buy off their private backers), with the Force odds on to be cut for next season, ahead of the Brumbies. The lack of depth in Aus is pretty obvious, so the change can't come soon enough
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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 07 Apr 2017, 11:04 am

We are well into the Super Rugby season and, I have to admit, I haven't seen too many matches to comment. The coverage this year seems so relentlessly negative. Everybody hates the format, and there are proposals on the table for change, but we don't know what they are yet.

Almost every week in Australia, there are articles questioning the ongoing existence of rugby union in the country, let alone the current format. NZ rugby seems in rude health on the pitch but the collapse of Australia as a viable opponent is cause for concern.

South Africa, meanwhile, continues to wrestle with politics which presents a moving target for everyone involved with the sport.


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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 08 Apr 2017, 11:01 am

It looks like Bryn Gatland came off the bench for the Blues against Highlanders, which increases his chances of playing against the B&I Lions.

*EDIT - it looks like Bryn as an unused sub.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sun 09 Apr 2017, 12:50 am

Sunwolves beat the Bulls in Tokyo. Good result for the Japanese franchise but seen as a new nadir by South African supporters.

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Re: Super Rugby 2017 Season

Post by yappysnap on Sun 09 Apr 2017, 9:17 am

SANZAR confirm today that 1 Australian and 2 SA teams are getting chopped from SR next season. Should find out tomorrow which teams but I guess it'll be the Force and kings, Lions

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 09 Apr 2017, 9:53 am

yappysnap wrote:SANZAR confirm today that 1 Australian and 2 SA teams are getting chopped from SR next season. Should find out tomorrow which teams but I guess it'll be the Force and kings, Lions

The Lions being cut would be a major shock with them being the best SA side last year. I'd have though the Cheetahs would have been more likely to go.

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Post by Sin é on Sun 09 Apr 2017, 1:04 pm

Cheetahs is one. Seemingly they have been trying to get Rassie Erasmus back to save them.
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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Sun 09 Apr 2017, 6:48 pm

Gotta feel bad for the fans, players, coaches etc on the teams that will be axed. I would rather just see a change in format rather than this.

Edit: this shows the effect... http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/force-captain-matt-hodgsons-emotional-press-conference-after-sanzaar-decision/news-story/c99d78d4b4a814283ea83413cfc97c74

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Post by whocares on Sun 09 Apr 2017, 10:32 pm

Should have got rid of the sunpoodles instead of of one SA team to start with.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Mon 10 Apr 2017, 9:30 am

whocares wrote:Should have got rid of the sunpoodles instead of of one SA team to start with.

Aye. Only trouble then is figuring out which SA/Arg team to stick in the Aussie conference to even the numbers up
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Post by mikey_dragon on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 8:44 pm

Why are SA having teams cut? I thought they brought the most money to this competition. Things are getting worse for them.

A shame for the Aus team but surely it has to be Rebels as you need at least one team on the west coast (Force).

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Post by Cotswoldwolf on Sat 15 Apr 2017, 1:11 am

Hope this gets sorted. We need Aussies to develop s15 wise. Losing an as team bad news. Sa and nz most passionate rugby nations.

Great crowds no matter what.

People say Munster are passionate fans but when they were doing poor had no fans. They are a fair weather fans

Nz and sa fans hardcore

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Post by LuvSports! on Sat 15 Apr 2017, 10:17 am

What a game that was between the Blues and the Hurricanes. Joy to watch.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sat 15 Apr 2017, 10:31 am

LuvSports! wrote:What a game that was between the Blues and the Hurricanes. Joy to watch.

 Not so great when you're a Blues supporter, but yes some stunning rugby talent on display.

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Post by nganboy on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 11:42 am

See the Hurricanes take apart the Brumbies tonight. 6 unanswered tries in the 2nd half. Yee ha
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Post by profitius on Fri 21 Apr 2017, 3:33 pm

nganboy wrote:See the Hurricanes take apart the Brumbies tonight. 6 unanswered tries in the 2nd half. Yee ha


The gap between NZ and Aus seems to be stretching.


And I see the Kings beat the Waratahs in Sydney! Shocked
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Post by propdavid_london on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:28 am

Has it been confirmed which teams are being axed?

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:32 am

propdavid_london wrote:Has it been confirmed which teams are being axed?

Next week I think.

ARU has rejected a proposal to merge the Brumbies & Rebels - IMO that'd have been the smartest move.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:36 am

Can't see the Rebels going in any form. Will cost the ARU a leg and an arm to buy out the private owner.

Think a merger between Brumbies & Force might be good. Have the touring NZ/SA sides play in Perth and play the derbies in Canberra. Might go some way to appeasing the fans.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 9:52 am

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:Can't see the Rebels going in any form. Will cost the ARU a leg and an arm to buy out the private owner.

Think a merger between Brumbies & Force might be good. Have the touring NZ/SA sides play in Perth and play the derbies in Canberra. Might go some way to appeasing the fans.

Rebels' owner was interested in the merger idea, so could've been an easy out. But that'd involve competence from the ARU. And if they were competent they wouldn't be in this mess
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Post by propdavid_london on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 11:04 am

I sort of understand the bigger reason for axing an Aus team - there is an issue with diluting the player base too much in a country where Rugby is not a first pick sport.

2 SA franchises too! In such a Rugby'centric area! That is a big blow.
What are the reasons for the SA franchises being axed? Is that poor performance too?
We cant really argue that the player pool is an issue - granted the top SA players are mostly heading abroad (but that could be resolved at the union level).

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 11:40 am

propdavid_london wrote:I sort of understand the bigger reason for axing an Aus team - there is an issue with diluting the player base too much in a country where Rugby is not a first pick sport.  

2 SA franchises too! In such a Rugby'centric area! That is a big blow.  
What are the reasons for the SA franchises being axed?  Is that poor performance too?  
We cant really argue that the player pool is an issue - granted the top SA players are mostly heading abroad (but that could be resolved at the union level).

Fundamentally SA don't have the player base to support 6 teams - cutting 2 is a little harsh, but to even up the conferences it was either them or drop Argentina. The Kings are gash mind (it took a truly awful Waratahs side to lose to them last week - a result a akin to Zebre turning up and winning in Swansea). And the Cheetahs have made the playoffs (just) once in 12 years, and they've been 10th or lower 10 times.

The falling Rand also means that while SA is still the biggest TV revenue contributor it's getting harder to balance the books & retain players.

Australia currently don't have the money or the talent to support 5 teams, both the Brumbies and Force have needed bailing out in recent years. And Australians won't go watch a team that doesn't have a decent shout of winning - it's a crowded sporting market.

Arguably you'd cut the Sunwolves as they're rubbish & not supported by 2 of the 3 main pillars of Japanese rugby (the Top League clubs and the Universities), however they bring in a healthy slice of TV money. And moving them into the Australian conference makes a lot more logistic sense - cuts travel time and costs considerably)

Sending an NZ or Aus team to SA for 2 matches costs over £100k in flights and accommodation, ditto sending a SA team to Australasia, that's more than you'll take in (net) on the gates (a Twickenham or Millennium sell-out international crowd at £75 average price per head brings in over £5m, but you're talking a 15-20k average crowd for a Super Rugby match. And at a fair bit less per ticket)


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Post by propdavid_london on Tue 25 Apr 2017, 12:04 pm

Cheers Pete - always just boils down to money I guess.

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 10:25 am

Full Time: Highlanders 57...Stormers 14. (9 tries to 2).

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Post by Scottrf on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 10:28 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:Full Time: Highlanders 57...Stormers 14. (9 tries to 2).

Shocked

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 10:31 am

Scottrf wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:Full Time: Highlanders 57...Stormers 14. (9 tries to 2).

Shocked
And the Highlanders won the 10 minute spell while their prop was in the bin for a high tackle 7-0
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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 11:07 am

I think the Highlanders vs B&I Lions is one where the NZ franchise will be without its ABs due to being later on in the tour. Blues and Crusaders however...

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Post by Scottrf on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 11:10 am

Crusaders only have Moody, Franks, Whitelock, Read, Crotty, Dagg from the first team Shocked

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Fri 28 Apr 2017, 11:19 am

Scottrf wrote:Crusaders only have Moody, Franks, Whitelock, Read, Crotty, Dagg from the first team Shocked

Plus Crockett, Taylor, S. Barrett, Romano, Todd & Taminavalu from the November NZ squad ...
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Sat 29 Apr 2017, 7:47 pm

Today's scores so far:
Chiefs 27-20 Sunwolves - no TBP for the Chiefs, and the Japanese lads get 1 point from their 3 match NZ tour
Reds 26-29 Waratahs
Force 15-24 Lions (Lions TBP)
Lions 21-48 Crusaders - Crusaders TBP, but lost Kieran Read for 6 weeks with a broken thumb, meaning he's tight for the 1st Lions' test

And just after half time in the clash of the dead-men-walking
Kings 23-3 Rebels
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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 9:25 am

Blues 18 - Brumbies 12.

Gatland got his first start, as new English 5/8th Piers Francis was out with a wrist injury.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 10:29 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:Blues 18 - Brumbies 12.

Gatland got his first start, as new English 5/8th Piers Francis was out with a wrist injury.

So that's 15-0 to NZ in trans-Tasman clashes this season. I'm actually feeling sorry for the Aussies.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 30 Apr 2017, 10:47 am

15-0? That's horrific. Only a few more weeks until you get some real opposition come down Wink; speaking of which this surely means Bryn Gatland will get some game time versus the Lions?

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