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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 5:18 pm

     
ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 10th March
16:00 GMT
Twickenham Stadium

Live on ITV, RTE, FR2, DMAX

Referee - Matthieu Raynal
AR1 - Romain Poite
AR2 - Marius Mitrea
TMO - Ben Skeen

A. Head to Head

134 Played 134
74 Won 42
18 Drawn 18
42 Lost 74
1,562 Points 1,141

B. Recent Form

6 February 2016
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 15 to England

14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England

8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England

2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England

4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England

C. Teams


ENGLAND


Starting XV:

15. Mike Brown (vice captain, Harlequins, 58 caps), 14. Jack Nowell  (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps), 13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 31 caps), 12. Owen Farrell (vice captain, Saracens, 50 caps), 11. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 11 caps), 10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 33 caps), 9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 68 caps), 1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 49 caps), 2. Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 82 caps), 3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 72 caps), 4. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 40 caps) , 5. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 56 caps), 6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 10 caps), 7. James Haskell (Wasps, 73 caps) , 8. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 6 caps).

Finishers

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 15 caps), 17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 40 caps), 18. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 6 caps), 19. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 48 caps), 20. Billy Vunipola (vice captain, Saracens 32 caps), 21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 69 caps), 22. Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 6 caps), 23. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 24 caps).

SCOTLAND


Starting XV

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 51 caps; 16 tries, 3 pens, 89 points
14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 34 caps; 15 tries, 75 points
13. Huw Jones (Stormers) – 6 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps; 6 tries, 30 points
11. Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 29 caps; 12 tries, 60 points
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 5 cons, 8 pens, 44 points
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps

1. Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 23 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
4. Richie Gray (Toulouse) – 63 caps; 3 tries, 15 points
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 58 caps; 4 tries, 20 points
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 8 caps; 1 try, 5 points
8. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps

Substitutes:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 105 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby) – 6 caps
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 27 caps; 1 try, 5 points
20. Cornell Du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped
21. Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 4 tries, 3 pens, 29 points
22. Duncan Weir (Edinburgh Rugby) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 7 cons, 10 pens, 1 drop, 57 points
23. Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 6 tries, 30 points


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by kingelderfield on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 8:11 pm

What a fabulous fixture this appears to be. Scotland seem to have been cleverly bounced into playing for their departing coach and are probably the form side in the championship - best Scotland side in years. Up against a comparatively tired looking, frustrated, world record challenging, England.

If both teams perform then we could be treated to wonderful exhibition of world class test match rugby.

England will be favorites, quite legitimately given they have home advantage, however as mentioned above Scotland are showing really good form and absolutely deserve respect (to my mind Scotland could well be worth a win), versus England who will be tethered to the weight of expectation while being monumentally annoyed by yesterday's cute Italian arse slapping.  As to being tired, i'm just think back to this time last year when the pups from Saracens enthused so much of England's play compared to now when we appear both, obviously mentally challenged, and physically jaded.

Changes? I don't know about Scotland but England will hopefully make progress in the back line in all positions; Youngs, Nowell, Ford, Farrell, Teo, Joseph & Daly - bench; Care, Slade & Watson.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 8:18 pm

Joseph wing, Daly full back?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by majesticimperialman on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 8:24 pm

England will have to play better against Scotland than they did against Italy.

I do agree with you this is the best Scottish side for years. But that does not mean that we have to give to much respect. My fear is that England underestimate Scotland and could well pay the price.


After the game on sunday ED will soon calm down the England team and get them focused on Scotland.

Regards to any changes in the side? Maybe Maco for Marler. That is it

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by SecretFly on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 8:25 pm

Well, this supposed lame-duck game has gone up the rankings pretty damn quick! Come on Scotland!......... you owe us one Wink

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by majesticimperialman on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 8:29 pm

SecretFly.

It will be 2nd in the world V 5th in the World.

Hard to call don't you think?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by SecretFly on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 8:38 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:SecretFly.

It will be 2nd in the world V 5th in the World.

Hard to call don't you think?

Em, is that a trick question, majestic? I'm afraid to go near it lest it might be an ambush.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by kingelderfield on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 8:47 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Joseph wing, Daly full back?

Chap I'm being really nice here...do us all a real favour and tell us your thoughts - who would you select and maybe even why you would like to see play x over player y

Nobody's going to shoot you down so there's no need to be afraid - go on I dare you.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Heaf on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:00 pm

did I imagine completely different words there a minute ago? Whistle

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by kingelderfield on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:04 pm

Heaf wrote:did I imagine completely different words there a minute ago? Whistle

No I just thought I'd try to be nice...it all gets a bit tedious after a while.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Heaf on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:22 pm

fair play ...

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:25 pm

So is that a yes you'd have Joseph on the wing and Daly at full back?

Marler Hartley Cole
Lawes Launchbury
Itoje Haskell
Clifford
Youngs
Daly ford Farrell Joseph Nowell Brown

Vunipola george Sinckler Hughes wood care slade Watson.

I take it you were being an arse again king.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by poissonrouge on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:26 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:SecretFly.

It will be 2nd in the world V 5th in the World.

Hard to call don't you think?

Only thing is due to ranking points - Scotland have nothing to lose - but a lot to gain from a win! Could get them into the top 4 in the rankings if they win.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by InjuredYetAgain on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:29 pm

England seem to have lost their raw power. We got bullied by France but England don't seem to have that same physical presence. That said, we are probably the weakest in defending mauls and I fear that's where England will have the edge.

At the risk of giving Beshocked an aneurism, I would prefer to see Vunipola play ahead of Marler. I just don't see why folk get so excited about him

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:33 pm

Awwwww Tiger!!!!!!

I wanted bags of this and bags of that in the title for this match...

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38777496
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by majesticimperialman on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:34 pm

The word here is "COULD" get them in to the top 4.

I am not saying that England will win this game at a walking pace you understand. And i am not underestermating Scotland at all.

But i do have faith in England winning the game to be honest.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by SecretFly on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:37 pm

poissonrouge wrote:
majesticimperialman wrote:SecretFly.

It will be 2nd in the world V 5th in the World.

Hard to call don't you think?

Only thing is due to ranking points - Scotland have nothing to lose - but a lot to gain from a win! Could get them into the top 4 in the rankings if they win.

Oh I'm only getting Majestic's reference now. I'm oh so slow tonight. I didn't mean ranking as in points to be gained only that suddenly this game has taken on more importance/meaning after Scotland's surprise passage through this championship. It's gone up the ranks in importance for England, for Scotland and for us.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by InjuredYetAgain on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:44 pm

It really has cranked up the ante rankings wise as I think Scotland are now guaranteed a 2nd seeding for the world cup. Is it between Argentina and France for the 8th spot?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:45 pm

I think Scotland will be absolutely pumped for this, and with the greatest respect to the other teams, England haven't been tested defensively yet. Scotland's attack out wide is absolutely lethal.

Our forwards I think will be at risk of being Outmuscled here so it's important to play as high a tempo as possible. Best example is what Glasgow did to the tigers a few weeks ago.

Lighting ball recycling and spinning it out and getting Visser, Hogg and Seymour on the ball at every opportunity. Do that, and we have a chance. Let England control the tempo and if they keep the game tight they'll win.

I do worry about England's strike runners too, Daly and Nowell are really good. This will be a cracker. It's the first time Scotland have had a crack at the triple crown for about 20 years so that'll just add some more spice.

Head says that England team will be too strong for us though.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by SecretFly on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:49 pm

England though are probably the most accomplished high tempo outfit in Europe and gave at hint of it in that scintillating display towards the end of the game against Italy. Now Italy are Italy - yes. But I would be cautious with Scotland - if they want it loose and fast, they'll get it with interest.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by kingelderfield on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 9:59 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:So is that a yes you'd have Joseph on the wing and Daly at full back?

Marler Hartley Cole
Lawes Launchbury
Itoje Haskell
Clifford
Youngs
Daly ford Farrell Joseph Nowell Brown

Vunipola george Sinckler Hughes wood care slade Watson.

I take it you were being an arse again king.

The stone bleeds.....

Ok, yer I would have Watson but he's obviously struggling and I'm pretty much done with Brown's handling inadequacy. Something tells me that Bomber played Joseph on the wing? Which if was the case then I thank you for highlighting my error!

Really not much difference to my thoughts on selection, though I'm keen for Hughes to be given a proper game alongside Haskell, BUT can see the need for a better balanced back row. We still need a fetcher of sorts and dare I say it Robshaw is missed for his glue like work rate.

An aside, I'm sure Hughes was one of the first to try to combat the rucklessness of the Italian approach yesterday. First half he was tackled, placed the ball got up and went again - both playing and thinking on his feet.

Yes he has struggled at this level - I think he looks shocked by the fact he's not such a man amongst boys and does look to be nervous at times, hardly surprising for a lad from Fiji. And of course there are technical issues with his upright style, however once a Wasps and all that so I think we need to persist with his inclusion (Morgan looked ok ish yesterday but is still off for large parts of the game) and try to support him better to offload and attack better from the base of the scrum and dare I say it....RUCK!

Can't see Billy back for sometime, certainly not this 6 nations.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by lostinwales on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:07 pm

I think that one of the reasons that England have a poor reputation for running the ball is that we don't spend a lot of time doing it. That is partially because when we do it and its one of those rare times when we don't knock the ball on or make another stupid handling mistake, we tend to move the ball very fast.

A good example of this are the Oz games in the summer. Australia produced scintillating running skills sending the ball from side to side but not actually, you know, making a lot of progress or scoring very often. Then when England got the ball they always got points very quickly.

I'll expect more of this in the England Scotland fixture. I'll expect Scotland to do some good things with the ball, and maybe score a great try or 2 after Hogg or Russell pull some fancy moves. I'll expect the Scottish back row to get some turnovers and make a real nuisance of themselves. And I expect the game to hit a certain point when England take control and score a lot of points in a short period of time and take the game away from the Scots.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by InjuredYetAgain on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:09 pm

We have a good back 3 but any country that has players like Christian Wade and Marland Yarde who can't get near the team scare me (that said, Wade was honking defensively in the BT highlights package which might explain his absence).
Is Foden out of favour totally?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by lostinwales on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:11 pm

kingelderfield wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:So is that a yes you'd have Joseph on the wing and Daly at full back?

Marler Hartley Cole
Lawes Launchbury
Itoje Haskell
Clifford
Youngs
Daly ford Farrell Joseph Nowell Brown

Vunipola george Sinckler Hughes wood care slade Watson.

I take it you were being an arse again king.

The stone bleeds.....

Ok, yer I would have Watson but he's obviously struggling and I'm pretty much done with Brown's handling inadequacy. Something tells me that Bomber played Joseph on the wing? Which if was the case then I thank you for highlighting my error!

Really not much difference to my thoughts on selection, though I'm keen for Hughes to be given a proper game alongside Haskell, BUT can see the need for a better balanced back row. We still need a fetcher of sorts and dare I say it Robshaw is missed for his glue like work rate.

An aside, I'm sure Hughes was one of the first to try to combat the rucklessness of the Italian approach yesterday. First half he was tackled, placed the ball got up and went again - both playing and thinking on his feet.

Yes he has struggled at this level - I think he looks shocked by the fact he's not such a man amongst boys and does look to be nervous at times, hardly surprising for a lad from Fiji. And of course there are technical issues with his upright style, however once a Wasps and all that so I think we need to persist with his inclusion (Morgan looked ok ish yesterday but is still off for large parts of the game) and try to support him better to offload and attack better from the base of the scrum and dare I say it....RUCK!

Can't see Billy back for sometime, certainly not this 6 nations.

Joseph went to the wing as part of an injury induced shuffle when we were playing Italy and Brown got a head injury. He then went and scored a couple of tries I think. He does make a decent makeshift wing but we do have a few good actual wings (including May thank you) and mr Daly who is rapidly making himself undroppable.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by poissonrouge on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:12 pm

InjuredYetAgain wrote:It really has cranked up the ante rankings wise as I think Scotland are now guaranteed a 2nd seeding for the world cup. Is it between Argentina and France for the 8th spot?
As explained in other threads - at this point
1. England are guaranteed in top seeding group - can't drop below 4th
2. Ireland are guaranteed either top or 2nd group. If they beat Wales they are almost guaranteed top group (only lose out if Scotland beat England by >15)
3. Scotland are guaranteed 2nd seeding unless they lose to Italy by more than 15 pts
4. If Ireland beat Wales, then either Wales or France will drop below Argentina
5, Scotland can get into 4th position if they win both their last games AND Ireland lose both theirs (or ireland lose one match and Scotland beat England by >15)
6. Wales can get into 4th if they win both their last games, AND Ireland lose to England - however Scotland pip them to 4th if point 5 applies
7. Italy are stuck in third tranche
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by lostinwales on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:16 pm

InjuredYetAgain wrote:We have a good back 3 but any country that has players like Christian Wade and Marland Yarde who can't get near the team scare me (that said, Wade was honking defensively in the BT highlights package which might explain his absence).
Is Foden out of favour totally?
Foden's time is done. Its a shame because for a few years he was easily our best player.

Wade defense is a big issue. I do also wonder if he's the type of player who excels in the space he gets at league level but who would not get so many chances at international level. Then when you look at some of the big international wings and you wonder how he'd cope stopping them. It is a great shame, as he's smart and has good hands too. In an ideal world you'd make him a scrum half. (but then in that same ideal world you would already have Eastmond at 9).

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by InjuredYetAgain on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:17 pm

Point 4 - wow Shocked I didn't appreciate Wales could be third seeds

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by poissonrouge on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:18 pm

Yep - unless they beat Ireland, then last weekend France and Wales shoot it out for 9th place.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by kingelderfield on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:19 pm

In the context of this championship maybe not, but in the context of the development of (this) Jones's England (minus Billy V and Robshaw), I think the manner of our performance and obviously the outcome of the game will set the direction for some time......of course we may lose and then wipe the floor with Ireland or we might lose both or even, hopefully, we'll progressively improve making confident steps in our development........
I really hope the back 3 make a difference, though I have to say i'm conflicted about Brown's inclusion....experience versus development/performance etc. HOW would NZ deal with the situation...oh yer Brown would have learnt to pass.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by kingelderfield on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:29 pm

lostinwales wrote:
kingelderfield wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:So is that a yes you'd have Joseph on the wing and Daly at full back?

Marler Hartley Cole
Lawes Launchbury
Itoje Haskell
Clifford
Youngs
Daly ford Farrell Joseph Nowell Brown

Vunipola george Sinckler Hughes wood care slade Watson.

I take it you were being an arse again king.

The stone bleeds.....

Ok, yer I would have Watson but he's obviously struggling and I'm pretty much done with Brown's handling inadequacy. Something tells me that Bomber played Joseph on the wing? Which if was the case then I thank you for highlighting my error!

Really not much difference to my thoughts on selection, though I'm keen for Hughes to be given a proper game alongside Haskell, BUT can see the need for a better balanced back row. We still need a fetcher of sorts and dare I say it Robshaw is missed for his glue like work rate.

An aside, I'm sure Hughes was one of the first to try to combat the rucklessness of the Italian approach yesterday. First half he was tackled, placed the ball got up and went again - both playing and thinking on his feet.

Yes he has struggled at this level - I think he looks shocked by the fact he's not such a man amongst boys and does look to be nervous at times, hardly surprising for a lad from Fiji. And of course there are technical issues with his upright style, however once a Wasps and all that so I think we need to persist with his inclusion (Morgan looked ok ish yesterday but is still off for large parts of the game) and try to support him better to offload and attack better from the base of the scrum and dare I say it....RUCK!

Can't see Billy back for sometime, certainly not this 6 nations.

Joseph went to the wing as part of an injury induced shuffle when we were playing Italy and Brown got a head injury. He then went and scored a couple of tries I think. He does make a decent makeshift wing but we do have a few good actual wings (including May thank you) and mr Daly who is rapidly making himself undroppable.

May just doesn't have the rugby game to consistently challenge at this level, sadly a fast as fud flat track bully who never learnt the necessary spatial awareness and skills to manipulate the momentary opportunities.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by InjuredYetAgain on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:39 pm

kingelderfield wrote: I really hope the back 3 make a difference, though I have to say i'm conflicted about Brown's inclusion....experience versus development/performance etc. HOW would NZ deal with the situation...oh yer Brown would have learnt to pass before he got capped.
sorted that for you, King Smile

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:43 pm

Yeah I asked for clarification as a game ago you wanted Nowell at full back and wingers on the wing king so didn't know if you'd mistyped.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by EnglishReign on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:44 pm

Mako
Hartley
Cole
Lawes
Launchbury
Itoje
Haskell
Hughes
Youngs
Ford
May
Faz
Te'o
Nowell
Daly

subs: Watson, Care, Sinckler, George, Clifford, Slade, Marler, Wood.

I don't understand how Mike 'won't pass' Brown is so immune from criticism. The guy butchers opportunities galore these days.


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by InjuredYetAgain on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 10:55 pm

Has Daly played enough at FB to play there at international level? Ok, Finn Russell is no Johnny Sexton or Ronan O'Gara when it comes to pinpoint kicking but he could still make life very awkward for someone who may be a bit raw

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by EnglishReign on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 11:01 pm

InjuredYetAgain wrote:Has Daly played enough at FB to play there at international level? Ok, Finn Russell is no Johnny Sexton or Ronan O'Gara when it comes to pinpoint kicking but he could still make life very awkward for someone who may be a bit raw

I don't care if he drops every high ball, at least he can pass when it's on!

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Scottrf on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 11:04 pm

InjuredYetAgain wrote:Has Daly played enough at FB to play there at international level? Ok, Finn Russell is no Johnny Sexton or Ronan O'Gara when it comes to pinpoint kicking but he could still make life very awkward for someone who may be a bit raw
Has Daly played enough at wing to play there at international level?
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by kingelderfield on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 11:20 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Yeah I asked for clarification as a game ago you wanted Nowell at full back and wingers on the wing king so didn't know if you'd mistyped.

Yer those fat fingers... still peace and love u all

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Heaf on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 11:55 pm

poissonrouge wrote:Yep - unless they beat Ireland, then last weekend France and Wales shoot it out for 9th place.

Another 'group of death' coming for the next RWC?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by yappysnap on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 7:19 am

A few players need to up their games for this one. Cole, Hartley, Ford and Farrell have all been pretty poor so far and they're players that England will need to lean on a heck of a lot in this one, kicking will be key here, and how the forwards go at the scrum and maul could play a big part.

I expect we'll see Youngs come back in and start this fixture, shame really that the last match went how it did as we didn't actually get to see what Care would be like starting a normal fixture, but he didn't really take his chance, and just like in the past 100 odd games, the 9 coming off the bench looked far better.

Already looking forward to Synkler's next cameo, the guy looks born for international rugby, only a matter of time until he gets some amazing try off one of those carries.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by TJ on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 7:26 am

Scotland will need a full 80- min performance to pull this one off. Against Wales and Ireland it was only a 50 min performance. Let England into the game and they will run away with it as they have the players to score several times quickly.


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by yappysnap on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 7:32 am

England have managed about 45min performances so far, 5 minutes at the end of the first half then the whole second half.

Scotland will certainly have the opening 20 to make their case, England have started every game pretty poorly so far.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 8:31 am

yappysnap wrote:England have started every game pretty poorly so far.

Started pretty well against Wales, though went downhill after that until the last 20.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by robbo277 on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 8:58 am

England will have to get their basics so much better than they did against Italy. Kicking and set-piece will be crucial.

I think England have a very strong structured attack, while Scotland's attacking players possibly have more individual skill, and are more likely to beat a man to create a line-break.

England will need to ensure Scotland are playing back in their own half, and any line-breaks can be mopped up by the scramble defence.

We need to put exert pressure on Scotland so their inexperienced 9/10 combo make bad choices. We can do this by keeping the scoreboard ticking, keeping them in their own territory, and disrupting their set-piece ball so they're afraid of being in possession.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:04 am

I'm one of the more negative Scotland fans on here (I'd like to think of it as  being realistic!) but I think it is fair to say anything other than a relatively comfortable win for England would be a massive surprise.  A LBP and good performance from Scotland would be a good result and a win would be won of the greatest victories in Scottish rugby history IMO.  That's what we're up against here!

Saying that there is certainly cause for optimism that we can give England a real crack and put them under pressure.

What this 6N has shown though is that we struggle against physicality - France overwhelmed us at times and we really struggled against Wales in the first half. What it has also shown however is that when the physicality drops we can cause teams problems so England need to keep their intensity up to not let us in. England are a hugely physical team that puts a lot of pressure on the attack.

Final point is that this is going to be my first trip to Twickenham and I can't wait - let's hope I'll have something to cheer about!

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:06 am

It will be interesting for sure. Scotland could/should have been a lot further behind at half time against Wales but then produced an exceptional second half (pattern of the game almost the reverse of that v Ireland). Meanwhile England have improved as the game has gone on.

I would like to see us start with the intensity we had in the MS, but without the drop-off. We have to kick well, from hand and tee, and take all the points on offer.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Brad71090 on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:29 am

Brown doesn't pass? Yet he was the final pass on a couple of tries on the weekend....


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by beshocked on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:34 am

RDW Scotland a lot will depend on England's selection. If England pick the best players it will be easier but unfortunately England have been showing too much loyalty to those not performing.

2nd row is a real area for strength for England so even though J.Gray has had a good tournament so far, it's not an easy area to target.

If I were Scotland I'd target Ford,Farrell,Brown,Hartley and Hughes.


As for England I want us to put lots of pressure on Russell who has buckled a bit when under the cosh and he's not the best defender. If Scotland give Russell a good platform he'll be dangerous but if the likes of Lawes,Itoje and Launchbury can cause problems... going to be a tough day for Russell.


I expect the game will go like the other 3 have - England bench will play the decisive role again.

Surpassing England for 80 minutes is hard because England generally have a superior 23.

Even though I've criticised Hughes, Billy V wasn't the finished article in 2014, really came of age in 2015 onwards. The difference between Hughes and Billy V is so stark because Billy IMO has just been that good in 2015 and 2016 but wasn't always like that.

There's been so much pressure on Hughes because he's had massive boots to fill.

England really need Hughes to perform out of all the England players IMO because we've really missed effective ball carrying at 8 we've been accustomed to with Billy V there.

Still don't know how Billy V didn't win 6 nations player of the tournament last year - absolutely ridiculous he didn't.

Anyway back to the game - England should IMO start Mako,George,Cole in the frontrow. This would take pressure off Hughes at 8 in the carrying department and strengthen the scrum. For once I'd say take a calculated risk at 15, drop Brown, play Watson,Nowell and Daly in the back three.

Make Brand Haskell captain as he's a nailed on starter.

If Scotland start Visser on the wing, should target him.


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by LondonTiger on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:38 am

Brad71090 wrote:Brown doesn't pass? Yet he was the final pass on a couple of tries on the weekend....


Just the one I think.

Care and Cole's tries had no assists while Te'o, Youngs and George also gave scoring passes I think.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:41 am

Probably Scotland team

1 Reid
2 Brown
3 Fagerson
4 Gray
5 Gray
6 Barclay
7 Watson
8 Wilson

9 Price
10 Russell
11 Visser
12 Dunbar
13 Jones
14 Seymour
15 Hogg

Subs - Dell, Ford, Berghan, Swinson, CDP/Denton, Pyrgos, Weir, Bennett

Once again I'd personally have Scott on the bench but it ain't going to happen! I also think Weir is a bit of a wasted bench slot - other than Russell getting injured he ain't going to get on.

If Maitland is fit he may come back in but Visser couldn't have done more to keep the spot.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Heaf on Tue 28 Feb 2017, 9:43 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm one of the more negative Scotland fans on here (I'd like to think of it as  being realistic!) but I think it is fair to say anything other than a relatively comfortable win for England would be a massive surprise.  A LBP and good performance from Scotland would be a good result and a win would be won of the greatest victories in Scottish rugby history IMO.  That's what we're up against here!

Saying that there is certainly cause for optimism that we can give England a real crack and put them under pressure.

What this 6N has shown though is that we struggle against physicality - France overwhelmed us at times and we really struggled against Wales in the first half. What it has also shown however is that when the physicality drops we can cause teams problems so England need to keep their intensity up to not let us in. England are a hugely physical team that puts a lot of pressure on the attack.

Final point is that this is going to be my first trip to Twickenham and I can't wait - let's hope I'll have something to cheer about!

Enjoy your trip Smile Twickenham is not as bad as some people would have you believe ...

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