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6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by LondonTiger on Mon 27 Feb 2017, 5:18 pm

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ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 10th March
16:00 GMT
Twickenham Stadium

Live on ITV, RTE, FR2, DMAX

Referee - Matthieu Raynal
AR1 - Romain Poite
AR2 - Marius Mitrea
TMO - Ben Skeen

A. Head to Head

134 Played 134
74 Won 42
18 Drawn 18
42 Lost 74
1,562 Points 1,141

B. Recent Form

6 February 2016
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 15 to England

14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England

8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England

2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England

4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England

C. Teams


ENGLAND


Starting XV:

15. Mike Brown (vice captain, Harlequins, 58 caps), 14. Jack Nowell  (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps), 13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 31 caps), 12. Owen Farrell (vice captain, Saracens, 50 caps), 11. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 11 caps), 10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 33 caps), 9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 68 caps), 1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 49 caps), 2. Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 82 caps), 3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 72 caps), 4. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 40 caps) , 5. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 56 caps), 6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 10 caps), 7. James Haskell (Wasps, 73 caps) , 8. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 6 caps).

Finishers

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 15 caps), 17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 40 caps), 18. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 6 caps), 19. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 48 caps), 20. Billy Vunipola (vice captain, Saracens 32 caps), 21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 69 caps), 22. Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 6 caps), 23. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 24 caps).

SCOTLAND


Starting XV

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 51 caps; 16 tries, 3 pens, 89 points
14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 34 caps; 15 tries, 75 points
13. Huw Jones (Stormers) – 6 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps; 6 tries, 30 points
11. Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 29 caps; 12 tries, 60 points
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 5 cons, 8 pens, 44 points
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps

1. Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 23 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
4. Richie Gray (Toulouse) – 63 caps; 3 tries, 15 points
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 58 caps; 4 tries, 20 points
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 8 caps; 1 try, 5 points
8. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps

Substitutes:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 105 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby) – 6 caps
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 27 caps; 1 try, 5 points
20. Cornell Du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped
21. Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 4 tries, 3 pens, 29 points
22. Duncan Weir (Edinburgh Rugby) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 7 cons, 10 pens, 1 drop, 57 points
23. Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 6 tries, 30 points


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Scottrf on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 2:39 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:You'll be interested in this, but of the Scottish 23 to feature against Wales the only residency player was Tim Visser.
Not bad. 22 grandparents?

BamBam wrote:You sound Welsh
Ouch.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by IanBru on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 2:43 pm

Scottrf wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:You'll be interested in this, but of the Scottish 23 to feature against Wales the only residency player was Tim Visser.
Not bad. 22 grandparents?
Most people tend to have four grandparents. This isn't Norwich.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by funnyExiledScot on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 2:50 pm

IanBru wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:You'll be interested in this, but of the Scottish 23 to feature against Wales the only residency player was Tim Visser.
Not bad. 22 grandparents?
Most people tend to have four grandparents. This isn't Norwich.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 2:52 pm

IanBru wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:You'll be interested in this, but of the Scottish 23 to feature against Wales the only residency player was Tim Visser.
Not bad. 22 grandparents?
Most people tend to have four grandparents. This isn't Norwich.

The last time someone got that badly burned they ended up looking like this:

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Scottrf on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 2:53 pm

That'll be the only Scottish win this week.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by IanBru on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 2:55 pm

Scottrf wrote:That'll be the only Scottish win this week.
Top banter.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 2:56 pm

Scottrf wrote:That'll be the only Scottish win this week.

Laugh

Think you're out of your depth here pal.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 3:04 pm

C'mon, it was pretty funny??

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by cascough on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 3:07 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Daly played a lot at wing/fb in his first season or 2. I recall looking very good there if I'm honest.

I don't remember watching him much either. But I do remember there was a fair bit of clamor for him to be included in the England squad. The media were making a big thing of it when he played for the Baa Baas (and scored) against England saying that he should have been in the team, look what they are missing etc. So he must have looked good in that position. But as I say, the Baa Baas game is the only one I can remember watching.


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 3:11 pm

IanBru wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:

Aye but you guys haven't faced Dunbar yet.

Unbelievable lineout operator.
100% career lineout completion rate. I can see him beasting Lawes, Launchbury and Marrow at the lineout.

I'm going to start using that. OK

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by tigertattie on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 3:53 pm

Rugbyjk wrote:What's the limit on a thread size?

20 pages lol
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by lostinwales on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 4:05 pm

IanBru wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:You'll be interested in this, but of the Scottish 23 to feature against Wales the only residency player was Tim Visser.
Not bad. 22 grandparents?
Most people tend to have four grandparents. This isn't Norwich.

I thought it was only 2 grandparents in Norwich...

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by George Carlin on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 4:41 pm

IanBru wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:You'll be interested in this, but of the Scottish 23 to feature against Wales the only residency player was Tim Visser.
Not bad. 22 grandparents?
Most people tend to have four grandparents. This isn't Norwich.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by hugehandoff on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 4:45 pm

I saw LD at a Q&A session last when he was asked what he would change about the England team. He stated:

1. Jamie George to start as hooker with Taylor on the bench.
2. Both Vunipolas to start to improve the ball carrying
3. Farrell to 10 and Ford on the bench (he did not offer his new 12, but thinking T'eo and JJ)
4. Brown to be replaced at 15

Mirrors a lot of what we have all been saying.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by No 7&1/2 on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 5:07 pm

For Scotland?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by doctor_grey on Wed 08 Mar 2017, 6:16 pm

lostinwales wrote:
IanBru wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:You'll be interested in this, but of the Scottish 23 to feature against Wales the only residency player was Tim Visser.
Not bad. 22 grandparents?
Most people tend to have four grandparents. This isn't Norwich.

I thought it was only 2 grandparents in Norwich...
Not sure most people there know for sure who is who.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by George Carlin on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:45 am

doctor_grey wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
IanBru wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:You'll be interested in this, but of the Scottish 23 to feature against Wales the only residency player was Tim Visser.
Not bad. 22 grandparents?
Most people tend to have four grandparents. This isn't Norwich.

I thought it was only 2 grandparents in Norwich...
Not sure most people there know for sure who is who.  
Apparently the only way to tell is to count the number of nodules on the foot webbing.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Rugbyjk on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:01 am

Found the same thing in st neots, pub did an American werewolf in London moment and went quiet when a couple of mates and I walked in ( as strangers)

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by beshocked on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:46 am

hugehandoff wrote:I saw LD at a Q&A session last when he was asked what he would change about the England team. He stated:

1. Jamie George to start as hooker with Taylor on the bench.
2. Both Vunipolas to start to improve the ball carrying
3. Farrell to 10 and Ford on the bench (he did not offer his new 12, but thinking T'eo and JJ)
4. Brown to be replaced at 15

Mirrors a lot of what we have all been saying.

LD is a top bloke. Was sat next to him at a dinner event about 3 years ago, really nice guy. Doesn't surprise me that we have similar views.

I wonder why he wants Taylor on the bench? Whistle

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:48 am

Interesting article on Scotland's attack....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:48 am

Really good article by Tom English on the BBC as always

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

What makes it most interesting is Scotland's backs coach goes into a lot of detail about why we scored the tries that we have. Now you fat arsed hairy forwards might not appreciate it but it makes a good read.

There has been a lot of talk on here about the lunacy of losing Vern Cotter but lets not forget that the entire coaching team (bar our defence coach) is going too - I don't think anyone can argue that Jason O'Halloran in particular has done a good job.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:49 am

Tattie Scones - Laugh

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:50 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Really good article by Tom English on the BBC as always

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

What makes it most interesting is Scotland's backs coach goes into a lot of detail about why we scored the tries that we have.  Now you fat arsed hairy forwards might not appreciate it but it makes a good read.

There has been a lot of talk on here about the lunacy of losing Vern Cotter but lets not forget that the entire coaching team (bar our defence coach) is going too - I don't think anyone can argue that Jason O'Halloran in particular has done a good job.

Someone has actually set up an online petition to stop Cotter going.

There are some truly thick people about.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:50 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Tattie Scones - Laugh

Great minds etc.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by IanBru on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:13 am

It's this 'Boaty McBoatFace' b***ocks, that the views of the people are genuinely supposed to have some impact outside of elections and (god forbid) referenda.

I was on a Newcastle Metro carriage that had broken down a couple months ago. The driver wouldn't open the doors to let us off onto the tracks, so some idiot starts trying to have a public vote amongst the passengers. You know... because a democratic mandate would protect us from the other trains speeding past at 80 mph (OK, this is the Metro so... 20mph).
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:15 am

You should have had a public vote Bru, to chuck that eejit off the train alone.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:21 am

IanBru wrote:It's this 'Boaty McBoatFace' b***ocks, that the views of the people are genuinely supposed to have some impact outside of elections and (god forbid) referenda.

I was on a Newcastle Metro carriage that had broken down a couple months ago. The driver wouldn't open the doors to let us off onto the tracks, so some idiot starts trying to have a public vote amongst the passengers. You know... because a democratic mandate would protect us from the other trains speeding past at 80 mph (OK, this is the Metro so... 20mph).

Was he your general metro user...charva, trackie with the bottoms tucked in to his socks, playing rave music loud out of his phone, stinking of cigarettes and BO, with summer teeth (some are white, some are black and some are missing)

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Rugby Fan on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:34 am

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Interesting article on Scotland's attack....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

From that piece, my new favourite line:

Without making a generalisation, I've coached a lot of Fijians and they all do that.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Scottrf on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:34 am

Rugby Fan wrote:From that piece, my new favourite line:

Without making a generalisation, I've coached a lot of Fijians and they all do that.
laughing
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by tigertattie on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:44 am

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Really good article by Tom English on the BBC as always

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

What makes it most interesting is Scotland's backs coach goes into a lot of detail about why we scored the tries that we have.  Now you fat arsed hairy forwards might not appreciate it but it makes a good read.

There has been a lot of talk on here about the lunacy of losing Vern Cotter but lets not forget that the entire coaching team (bar our defence coach) is going too - I don't think anyone can argue that Jason O'Halloran in particular has done a good job.

Someone has actually set up an online petition to stop Cotter going.

There are some truly thick people about.

Yeah, like Vern is going to accept a position if the SRU were to reverse their decision!

"Sure, I'll stick around even though you guys wanted to throw me out the back door despite the improvements I've made to the team. Sure I'll now turn my back on my contract with Montpelier, the money they're going to pay me, the nice house in the warm sunshine in the south of France and I'll stay in the wet, cold, polluted air of Edinburgh."
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by MacKnocked-on on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:00 am

I suppose if Townsend 'does a Howley' when he takes over then O'Halloran (and Rennie) could always move back to Murrayfield if needed.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:05 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Really good article by Tom English on the BBC as always

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

What makes it most interesting is Scotland's backs coach goes into a lot of detail about why we scored the tries that we have.  Now you fat arsed hairy forwards might not appreciate it but it makes a good read.

There has been a lot of talk on here about the lunacy of losing Vern Cotter but lets not forget that the entire coaching team (bar our defence coach) is going too - I don't think anyone can argue that Jason O'Halloran in particular has done a good job.

TL;DR
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:05 am

No major surprises in the lineup. It's some bench though!

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:06 am

The bench is unreal, Scotland will need to have an unassailable lead after 50 minutes to win.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:08 am

1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Lawes
6. Itoje
7. Haskell
8. Hughes

9. Youngs
10. Ford
11. Nowell
12. Farrell
13. JJ
14. Daly
15. Brown

16. George 17. Mako 18. Sinckler 19. Wood 20. Billy 21. Care 22. Te'o 23. Watson


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:08 am

Brown; Nowell, Joseph, Farrell, Daly; Ford, Youngs; Marler, Hartley (captain), Cole, Launchbury, Lawes, Itoje, Haskell, Hughes.

Replacements: George, M Vunipola, Sinckler, Wood, B Vunipola, Care, Te'o, Watson

Good players for sure. However they haven't performed particularly well as a team all tournament. Game on. Braveheart
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by IanBru on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:09 am

It's interesting that the bench players are, almost to a man, better than their equivalents on the pitch.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:10 am

England to win and close out the game in the last 15 mins.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:10 am

Pack after 50min.....

1. Mako
2. George
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Lawes
6. Itoje
7. Haskell
8. Billy

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:11 am

Easy.... Sad

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:12 am

In a way I'm glad Billy is only on the bench, reeks of desperation had he started.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by IanBru on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:12 am

If we're up by two, can we do four-by-four hit ups for half an hour?
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:16 am

Good to see Watson making his way back in as well. Just a really strong look about this group now.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:18 am

Given that our bench is likely to be

Dell
Ford
Berghan
Swinson
CDP/Harley

Pyrgos,
Weir
Bennett

it is definitely well and truly advantage England

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:19 am

I'm expecting it to be close all the way though, might have to start chewing my finger nails I've been growing for the Dublin game a week early!
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by Scottrf on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:20 am

So confident in the England bench I'll be cheering on Scotland first half for my Scotland HT/England FT bet.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by carpet baboon on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:22 am

TightHEAD wrote:I'm expecting it to be close all the way though, might have to start chewing my finger nails I've been growing for the Dublin game a week early!


Errr do I want to know what's been growing?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:28 am

carpet baboon wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:I'm expecting it to be close all the way though, might have to start chewing my finger nails I've been growing for the Dublin game a week early!


Errr do I want to know what's been growing?

Might have a go at my toes too.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by cascough on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:32 am

cascough wrote:I'm leaning towards double bluff on this one but I don't think it makes much difference. It won't change Englands game plan either way so it wont change how Scotland prepare.

I reckon he will name

Marler
Hartley
Cole
Launch
Lawes
Itoje
Haskell
Hughes
Youngs
Ford
Daly
Farrell
Joseph
Nowell
Brown

Mako
George
Sinckler
Wood
Billy
Care
Te'o
Watson

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 10:35 am

Is that potentially the strongest bench in world rugby?
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