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Post by HongKongCherry on Sat 04 Mar 2017, 11:26 am

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As LT has retired his excellent pen clap I thought it would be useful to have a running thread to discuss the Jeff games/ rounds. Entirely self-serving of course given my undoubted preference of club over country Very Happy
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Post by Welly on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 11:07 am

Regardless hopefully someone will at least do a round thread, nothing fancy just the round fixtures.


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Post by propdavid_london on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 11:11 am

That's a bit of a trend GF.....Certainly with the bigger signings - they do tend to be eased into the early matches.
That might be coincidence - or players carrying injuries from previous clubs. Or, its just about giving them a bit more time to gel with the squad.

I expect for Quins we will see Swiel starting at 10 - or even the U18s youngster! He certainly got a lot of pre-season gametime.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 11:13 am

Mind I expect to see Herr Flood starting!

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 11:42 am

propdavid_london wrote:Quins certainly struggled against Bristol in the LDH last year! I expect that it will be a close affair in their first game of the 17/18 season.  
Pre-Season friendly where both LI and Quins played a pretty strong side went down to a last minute score.

Were you at the game pdl?  I wasn't but I'm told we were fairly dominant overall but failed to close it out after Porecki overthrew a lineout which led to your winning try.

Most bookies have Quins by around 9 points.  I suspect it will be closer than that with whoever loses picking up a bonus point.
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Post by propdavid_london on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 11:57 am

I wasn't Ozzy, just read some reviews and saw a try real on social media. Bit of a try fest it seemed - I also saw someone say that Irish were the better side and were quite miffed to be on the loosing side.

I fully expect the LDH to be a very close game. How close was that friendly side to what you think will be the starting 15?

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:10 pm

Gloucester Rugby:

15. Jason Woodward; 14. Ollie Thorley, 13. Andy Symons, 12. Mark Atkinson, 11. Henry Purdy; 10. Billy Burns, 9. Willi Heinz (capt); 1. John Afoa, 2. Richard Hibbard, 3. Fraser Balmain; 4. Tom Savage, 5. Jeremy Thrush; 6. Lewis Ludlow, 7. Jacob Rowan, 8. Ben Morgan

Replacements:

16. Motu Matu'u, 17. Josh Hohneck, 18. Gareth Denman, 19. Ed Slater, 20. Ruan Ackermann, 21. Ben Vellacott, 22. Billy Twelvetrees, 22. Matt Scott

Unavailable for selection:

Lloyd Evans, Mariano Galarza, Tom Marshall, Paddy McAllister, Ross Moriarty, Jake Polledri, Val Rapava Ruskin, Charlie Sharples, Owen Williams

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:11 pm

CHIEFS SIDE TO FACE GLOUCESTER
15 Phil Dollman
14 Olly Woodburn
13 Henry Slade
12 Ian Whitten
11 Max Bodilly
10 Gareth Steenson
9 Nic White
1 Ben Moon
2 Jack Yeandle (capt)
3 Harry Williams
4 Ollie Atkins
5 Jonny Hill
6 Dave Dennis
7 Don Armand
8 Sam Simmonds
16 Elvis Taione
17 Carl Rimmer
18 Tomas Francis
19 Sam Skinner
20 Matt Kvesic
21 Jack Maunder
22 Jack Nowell
23 Lachie Turner

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:13 pm

Newcastle Falcons team to face Worcester Warriors (Friday, 7.45pm, Kingston Park Stadium)
15 Simon Hammersley
14 Alex Tait
13 Chris Harris
12 Josh Matavesi
11 Belisario Agulla
10 Joel Hodgson
9 Sonatane Takulua
1 Rob Vickers
2 Kyle Cooper
3 Jon Welsh
4 Calum Green
5 Will Witty
6 Mark Wilson
7 Will Welch (captain)
8 Callum Chick
Replacements
16 Scott Lawson
17 Sami Mavinga
18 Trevor Davison
19 Tevita Cavubati
20 Nili Latu
21 Sam Stuart
22 Craig Willis
23 Juan Pablo Socino

Floody and DTH have niggles.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:15 pm

Warriors
15 Josh Adams
14 Dean Hammond
13 Wynand Olivier
12 Jackson Willison
11 Bryce Heem 
10 Tom Heathcote
9 Jonny Arr
1 Ryan Bower
2 Jack Singleton
3 Nick Schonert
4 Donncha O'Callaghan (C)
5 Will Spencer
6 Matt Cox
7 Sam Lewis 
8 GJ van Velze

Replacements
16 Joe Taufete'e
17 Ethan Waller
18 Biyi Alo 
19 Pierce Phillips
20 Alafoti Faosiliva
21 Peter Stringer
22 Sam Olver
23 Ben Te'o

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:18 pm

propdavid_london wrote:I wasn't Ozzy, just read some reviews and saw a try real on social media.  Bit of a try fest it seemed - I also saw someone say that Irish were the better side and were quite miffed to be on the loosing side.  

I fully expect the LDH to be a very close game.  How close was that friendly side to what you think will be the starting 15?

At a guess 5 of the starting forwards and three, maybe 4 starting backs will be same with 1 positional change in backs, Bell to 15 from 10 where he started the friendly.
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Post by Ozzy3213 on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:19 pm

Looking at tomorrow nights sides I'd have to go for Chiefs and Falcons wins.
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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:23 pm

Josh matavesi over Socino??? Well theres the first rant of the season.

Josh looks fat and unfit...Socino has continued the preseason where he left off last season!!

Id have young Benjamin at LH over Vickers now aswell.

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Post by yappysnap on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:25 pm

Laugh

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Post by Scottrf on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:26 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Looking at tomorrow nights sides I'd have to go for Chiefs and Falcons wins.  
Same. Bigger fonts.

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Post by yappysnap on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:28 pm

Can't wait for dor the season to get started now.


I agree with comments above, Quins are often slow starters in the LDH and I think Irish will be really upfir their first game back in the Prem.

From what I've read their pack was a fair bit better then ours in pre season and we're now missing Wallace, Chisholm, Bothma, Matthews and Twomey.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:38 pm

In fact...I just don't get that Falcons selection at all!!!!!


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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:41 pm

Worcester have some impact on the bench but there are some weak options in that squad. Ryan Bower at loosehead a prime example. Newcastle should be fine.

Chiefs are missing a few backrow players whilst Glaws have some good forward impact on the bench. That one could be closer than previously anticipated.

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Post by HongKongCherry on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:43 pm

Our unavailable options make impressive reading!

I'm not surprised by the centre pairing Ackers has gone for. He likes big, ball carrying backs and Atkinson and Symons have looked good in pre-season. It'll certainly provide us with a different dimension.

It's going to be a very tough game and all logic would suggest a Chiefs win. I think we're going to end the season at the bottom end of the table, but it won't stop me entering each game with an immense sense of false hope! So for the next 29 hours I shall dream of a famous Glaws win under the Kingsholm lights...
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Post by yappysnap on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:46 pm


Harlequins' fly-half Marcus Smith is on the radar of England head coach Eddie Jones.
Harlequins' 18-year-old fly-half Marcus Smith is a player who "has it all", according to club captain Danny Care.

Smith is in line to start against London Irish in the season opener on Saturday having only left college in the summer.

He was drafted into an England training camp earlier this month and is being tipped for a full cap this season.

"The kid is special," Care said. "He's incredibly talented and he's going to be a very, very good player."

The England scrum-half added on 5 Live's Rugby Union Weekly podcast: "He just takes charge of a game effortlessly. So hopefully we can look after him a little bit."

Smith only left Brighton College in the summer but has impressed in pre-season, and Care says the teenager will mentally be able to cope with stepping up a level.

"The great thing about Marcus is it won't go to his head," added Care.

"He knows that he's got an awful lot of work to do, but he has a pretty amazing mentor in [former All Blacks and Quins fly-half] Nick Evans, who has just stepped into coaching.

"Everyone is excited about what he can do, but I think it's key people don't push him too hard.

"If I can help in any way, on or off the field, then I will try my best."

Former Quins winger Ugo Monye even expects Smith to be capped by England in the next year, and says it's not inconceivable that could happen as soon as the autumn internationals.

"He's a star player. He seems mentally to be the right kind of character, but skills-wise he has a great variety of passing, decent kicking, with good footwork and pace," Monye added.

"I think he will get capped in the next 12 months."

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Post by yappysnap on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:47 pm

Would be very interesting to see him start against Irish

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Post by propdavid_london on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 12:57 pm

Does sound as if he is likely - I would have thought that Swiel was the starter but perhaps pre-season performances have swayed selection.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 1:10 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Worcester have some impact on the bench but there are some weak options in that squad. Ryan Bower at loosehead a prime example. Newcastle should be fine.

Chiefs are missing a few backrow players whilst Glaws have some good forward impact on the bench. That one could be closer than previously anticipated.

Its not the point Sam.
Unless they have niggles we don't know about...that side is a end of season scratch side when you look hard at the squad we have now.

Back row looks too similar and lightweight
Locks - Witty or Green with a more athletic lineout man. Preferably Witty who is the monster now.
Centres - untried and Matavesi looks seriously overweight - a bigger gut than most of the fans!
Back 3....?? Boring, lacking pace or creativity....

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 1:29 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:Worcester have some impact on the bench but there are some weak options in that squad. Ryan Bower at loosehead a prime example. Newcastle should be fine.

Chiefs are missing a few backrow players whilst Glaws have some good forward impact on the bench. That one could be closer than previously anticipated.

Its not the point Sam.
Unless they have niggles we don't know about...that side is a end of season scratch side when you look hard at the squad we have now.

Back row looks too similar and lightweight
Locks - Witty or Green with a more athletic lineout man. Preferably Witty who is the monster now.
Centres - untried and Matavesi looks seriously overweight - a bigger gut than most of the fans!
Back 3....?? Boring, lacking pace or creativity....

Worcester got points last season where their pack was able to make the most of their physicality and get joy at the scrum and lineout. I presume Newcastle have gone big up front to shut that down and maybe take the legs out of the Worcester pack before bringing on some hard hitting mobility with Cubavati, Latu and Socino in the backs. You're backs do look uninspiring though I agree.

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Post by propdavid_london on Thu 31 Aug 2017, 1:38 pm

Worcester were also much better when they had Houghaard playing.

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