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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:01 pm

     
ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 10th March
16:00 GMT
Twickenham Stadium

Live on ITV, RTE, FR2, DMAX

Referee - Matthieu Raynal
AR1 - Romain Poite
AR2 - Marius Mitrea
TMO - Ben Skeen

A. Head to Head

134 Played 134
74 Won 42
18 Drawn 18
42 Lost 74
1,562 Points 1,141

B. Recent Form

6 February 2016
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 15 to England

14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England

8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England

2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England

4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England

C. Teams


ENGLAND


Starting XV:

15. Mike Brown (vice captain, Harlequins, 58 caps), 14. Jack Nowell  (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps), 13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 31 caps), 12. Owen Farrell (vice captain, Saracens, 50 caps), 11. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 11 caps), 10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 33 caps), 9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 68 caps), 1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 49 caps), 2. Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 82 caps), 3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 72 caps), 4. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 40 caps) , 5. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 56 caps), 6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 10 caps), 7. James Haskell (Wasps, 73 caps) , 8. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 6 caps).

Finishers

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 15 caps), 17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 40 caps), 18. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 6 caps), 19. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 48 caps), 20. Billy Vunipola (vice captain, Saracens 32 caps), 21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 69 caps), 22. Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 6 caps), 23. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 24 caps).

SCOTLAND


Starting XV

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 51 caps; 16 tries, 3 pens, 89 points
14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 34 caps; 15 tries, 75 points
13. Huw Jones (Stormers) – 6 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps; 6 tries, 30 points
11. Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 29 caps; 12 tries, 60 points
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 5 cons, 8 pens, 44 points
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps

1. Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 23 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
4. Richie Gray (Toulouse) – 63 caps; 3 tries, 15 points
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 58 caps; 4 tries, 20 points
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 8 caps; 1 try, 5 points
8. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps

Substitutes:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 105 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby) – 6 caps
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 27 caps; 1 try, 5 points
20. Cornell Du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped
21. Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 4 tries, 3 pens, 29 points
22. Duncan Weir (Edinburgh Rugby) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 7 cons, 10 pens, 1 drop, 57 points
23. Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 6 tries, 30 points

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by LondonTiger on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:02 pm

As other thread is close to full.

And to start it off in teh best possible wy:

Hartley, really!!!!!!!
Can Hogg tackle?
Can Brown(M) pass?
Whither Frodo?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:03 pm

The forum just now...


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:05 pm

Cheers!

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by robbo277 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:08 pm

LondonTiger wrote:As other thread is close to full.

And to start it off in teh best possible wy:

Hartley, really!!!!!!!

Jamie George is the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we will hunt him. Or something.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:10 pm

The new format is head wrecking.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:12 pm

Who is playing around with 606v2?  STOP.

Be like Wales, if it ain't broke don't change your team! lol
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:21 pm

Are the Russians hacking us??

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:23 pm

OK so apparently the site updated to a new skin that deleted the old one. The Admins have been working hard to get it back to something similar to the old one.

The one we currently have is pretty much the same in terms of layout but the fonts etc need tweaked

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:27 pm

I've only just realised how clever IanBru's nickname is on here Laugh

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Crimey on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:29 pm

I have edited the site back to what is as close to what we had before as I think we'll get.

As far as I can see it's just slightly brighter than it was previously. To be honest I can't really tell, the site changed about a thousand times in the last 10 minutes so I've forgotten what it used to look like.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:29 pm

Fixed!

It wasn't me so can't take any credit.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:29 pm

Phew. I don't like change.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:29 pm

Good job Crimey - thanks

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by IanBru on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:40 pm

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by IanBru on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:44 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Fixed!

It wasn't me so can't take any credit.
Cheers buddy - well done!

Yeah, I'm giving you credit. Hug
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Hero on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:47 pm

I buggered with it btw if you also want to dish out some blame.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by jimbopip on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 4:51 pm

BamBam wrote:I've only just realised how clever IanBru's nickname is on here Laugh

Ian Bru has a nickname? What is it?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by tigertattie on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 5:07 pm

We've suddenly been invaded by a whole swathe of Admin boys and a Foundy boy!

flippin heck!

Maybe their combined might can teach

A: GC how to actually Mod
B: Jimbo on how to use the quote function correctly!
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by jimbopip on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 5:09 pm

Just read this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

Utterly shocking record of non-whitewash crossing in the previous 6N's.

However, Mr O'Halloran seems quite a switched on coach. really looking to seeing how he progresses at Glasgow.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by jimbopip on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 5:10 pm

tigert!ttie wrote:We've suddenly been invaded by a whole swathe of Admin boys and a Foundy boy!

flippin heck!

Maybe their combined might can teach

A: GC how to actually Mod
B: Jimbo on how to use the quote function correctly!

Tiger, our English brethren will be reading that and looking at the post which precedes it and wondering when your medication was stepped up.

Careful now!


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by tigertattie on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 5:23 pm

jimbopip wrote:
tigert!ttie wrote:We've suddenly been invaded by a whole swathe of Admin boys and a Foundy boy!

flippin heck!

Maybe their combined might can teach

A: GC how to actually Mod
B: Jimbo on how to use the quote function correctly!

Tiger, our English brethren will be reading that and looking at the post which precedes it and wondering when your medication was stepped up.

Careful now!


One swallow does not a summer make my friend Smile
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by jimbopip on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 5:29 pm

That's what she said. Whistle

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by majesticimperialman on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 6:31 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Phew. I don't like change.


Is your real name Rob Howley. He does not like change as well....Especialy the Welsh team. laughing

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 6:46 pm

We're hammering the Welsh/Irish thread....well done boys!

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by yappysnap on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 6:51 pm

Moral victory in the bag

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 6:58 pm

Duff post, miss read the poster and the message below

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 7:32 pm

yappysnap wrote:Moral victory in the bag

Must be worth a BP or 2?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 7:45 pm

Watched England vs France u18s earlier on YouTube. Didn't realise Bryan redpath's son played for England? Is that down to him coaching down here??

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by jimbopip on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:08 pm

So, can someone just remind me....
this gigantic, juggernaut, unstoppable England pack, are how much bigger and heavier than the Racing 92 pack which came to Scotstoun and were skelped from pillar to post?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:10 pm

Skill, training, fitness and drilling. Not just size my friend.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 8:22 pm

Quite happy to do a campese bet. " I will apologise and state "" are a much superior team than us as they won the game on march 11th 2017 and we will now shut it" ?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 9:49 pm

Seriously boys, u want that ginge wee Jimmy kranky as ur queen? It's what she is after. Mentalist alert!!

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by GLove39 on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 1:22 am

Rugbyjk wrote:Seriously boys, u want that ginge wee Jimmy kranky as ur queen? It's what she is after. Mentalist alert!!

Great banter, mate...

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by jimbopip on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 6:56 am

Glove, ixnay on irony; people might think you mean it.

One more sleep. Just one.

Keep telling myself we have no chance, none whatsoever. Zilch. Zero.
Okay, in the backs I might swap Youngs for All one Price, but that's all. And really our pack is an embarrassment, best not to even turn up.

No chance.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by LondonTiger on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 7:41 am

According to the Times, Alex Lozowski was called back into the squad last night to promise covered for Farrell's injury concern.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:03 am

Leapfrogging Slade now then. Not something I'd do but a cracking player.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by robbo277 on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:33 am

LondonTiger wrote:According to the Times, Alex Lozowski was called back into the squad last night to promise covered for Farrell's injury concern.

Bit worried he's called up anyone full stop.

Also feel strange he'd drop Lozowski in for his debut having parachuted him into the squad the day before for captain's run. You'd think Slade would be the safer bet in that instance.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:43 am

Missing Farell against arguably the best attacking team in the NH would be a blow. I do think this is just Eddie "the gremlin" Jones' mind games.
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Post by cascough on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 8:44 am

It's possible Slade would come onto the bench and Lozzer would take Slade's place as a travelling reserve. They usually always have one in case someone pulls up in the warm-up.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 9:25 am

Yeah good point. Forgot that Slade would already be there anyway.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by LondonTiger on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 9:29 am

cascough wrote:It's possible Slade would come onto the bench and Lozzer would take Slade's place as a travelling reserve. They usually always have one in case someone pulls up in the warm-up.

My understanding is that Slade was released Tuesday and has not been recalled.

My guess is that Lozowski is called up as he is deemed to provide better FH cover.

Hopefully it becomes a moot point as Faz will pass the fitness test.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 9:33 am

jimbopip wrote:Just read this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

Utterly shocking record of non-whitewash crossing in the previous 6N's.

However, Mr O'Halloran seems quite a switched on coach. really looking to seeing how he progresses at Glasgow.

I suppose you consider Glasgow to be a step up from Scotland!

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 9:36 am

Damn it LT....In which case back to my original point

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by IanBru on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 9:49 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
jimbopip wrote:Just read this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

Utterly shocking record of non-whitewash crossing in the previous 6N's.

However, Mr O'Halloran seems quite a switched on coach. really looking to seeing how he progresses at Glasgow.

I suppose you consider Glasgow to be a step up from Scotland!
I'm really going to miss the BBC's camera shots at the coaches' box at BTM, where Cotter and O'Halloran are sitting next to each other, clearly confused about which is which, and who to zoom in on!
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by funnyExiledScot on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 9:54 am

IanBru wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
jimbopip wrote:Just read this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39209021

Utterly shocking record of non-whitewash crossing in the previous 6N's.

However, Mr O'Halloran seems quite a switched on coach. really looking to seeing how he progresses at Glasgow.

I suppose you consider Glasgow to be a step up from Scotland!
I'm really going to miss the BBC's camera shots at the coaches' box at BTM, where Cotter and O'Halloran are sitting next to each other, clearly confused about which is which, and who to zoom in on!

Impressively unsweaty pits there from Cotter as well. Pretty sure Robinson had to change shirts every 5 minutes during games.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 9:57 am

Guscott's latest article on the Beeb is worth a laugh. Only yesterday I was joking about the English obsession with Jonny Wilkinson and it takes Guscott, writing about the 6 Nations in 2017, only a few sentences before he name drops the great fly half.

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Post by robbo277 on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 10:06 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:Guscott's latest article on the Beeb is worth a laugh. Only yesterday I was joking about the English obsession with Jonny Wilkinson and it takes Guscott, writing about the 6 Nations in 2017, only a few sentences before he name drops the great fly half.

The reference almost feels contrived, it just doesn't fit yet he went with it anyway.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Gooseberry on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 10:10 am

LondonTiger wrote:
cascough wrote:It's possible Slade would come onto the bench and Lozzer would take Slade's place as a travelling reserve. They usually always have one in case someone pulls up in the warm-up.

My understanding is that Slade was released Tuesday and has not been recalled.

My guess is that Lozowski is called up as he is deemed to provide better FH cover.

Hopefully it becomes a moot point as Faz will pass the fitness test.

That was my assumption too.
Wilt Daly JJ and Teo able to cover the centers its really only 10 that needs cover from the bench. Ford will likely stay on the whole 80 anyway.
I guess Slade would be more of a "like for like" swap with Farrell as a footballing 12 but Eddies reluctance to even have him in a matchday 23 let alone start a game rules that out.
If Farrell isnt fit it looks like Teo whos been benched through no fault of his own starting 12. That does give England the sort of 10/12 combination which had been the original Jones first choice...just with Tuilagi.

Goal kicking wise Farrell hasnt been at his best the last two games, and not flawless prior to that. Daly is already taking the long ones and you have to back Ford to do better than the game that lost him the job in the first place. The way England play now, especially against a team whos strong suit isnt defense they wont be looking to win the game on 40 yard penalties anyway.
All in Farrells kicking is a nicce to have rather than vital for this game. What they may miss is his leadership. Its hard to see where that comes from in the midfield now. Youngs is a bit of a gobby so and so and pretty senior as a player but they will miss Farrell in that regard.
With Teo they gain power and pace.

As said chances are Farrell will play anyway, but him missing out isnt a disaster for England ...but will screw with the fantasy rugby competition

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by cascough on Fri 10 Mar 2017, 10:50 am

Farrell not kicking today.

Question for Eng fans, if he's not able to kick, do you still pick him?

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