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6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by LondonTiger on Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:01 am

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ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 10th March
16:00 GMT
Twickenham Stadium

Live on ITV, RTE, FR2, DMAX

Referee - Matthieu Raynal
AR1 - Romain Poite
AR2 - Marius Mitrea
TMO - Ben Skeen

A. Head to Head

134 Played 134
74 Won 42
18 Drawn 18
42 Lost 74
1,562 Points 1,141

B. Recent Form

6 February 2016
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 15 to England

14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England

8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England

2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England

4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England

C. Teams


ENGLAND


Starting XV:

15. Mike Brown (vice captain, Harlequins, 58 caps), 14. Jack Nowell  (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps), 13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 31 caps), 12. Owen Farrell (vice captain, Saracens, 50 caps), 11. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 11 caps), 10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 33 caps), 9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 68 caps), 1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 49 caps), 2. Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 82 caps), 3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 72 caps), 4. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 40 caps) , 5. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 56 caps), 6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 10 caps), 7. James Haskell (Wasps, 73 caps) , 8. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 6 caps).

Finishers

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 15 caps), 17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 40 caps), 18. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 6 caps), 19. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 48 caps), 20. Billy Vunipola (vice captain, Saracens 32 caps), 21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 69 caps), 22. Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 6 caps), 23. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 24 caps).

SCOTLAND


Starting XV

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 51 caps; 16 tries, 3 pens, 89 points
14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 34 caps; 15 tries, 75 points
13. Huw Jones (Stormers) – 6 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps; 6 tries, 30 points
11. Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 29 caps; 12 tries, 60 points
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 5 cons, 8 pens, 44 points
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps

1. Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 23 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
4. Richie Gray (Toulouse) – 63 caps; 3 tries, 15 points
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 58 caps; 4 tries, 20 points
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 8 caps; 1 try, 5 points
8. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps

Substitutes:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 105 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby) – 6 caps
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 27 caps; 1 try, 5 points
20. Cornell Du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped
21. Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 4 tries, 3 pens, 29 points
22. Duncan Weir (Edinburgh Rugby) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 7 cons, 10 pens, 1 drop, 57 points
23. Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 6 tries, 30 points

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:49 am

If not, why not?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TightHEAD on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:49 am

Rugbyjk wrote:Is impartial gatland there??

No point after last nights game he filled 12 starting places!
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:49 am

TightHEAD wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:I think another sort of head would be more applicable for your name, Tight.

Joseph is playing an absolute blinder. What has happened to the Scottish defence? They are getting ripped apart off the first phase.


Teacher?

Lol.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by glamorganalun on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:49 am

Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TightHEAD on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:50 am

Games up, the Socks only want to fight now.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by lostinwales on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:50 am

nathan wrote:
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tigert!ttie wrote:He didn't go above the horizontal. He landed on his arse
Upper back. Wait for half time replay.

There's no point. It's was a clear as day yellow but he won't have it.

It was accidental but I suspect what caused the most damage was Brown's head smacking into Daly's after he hit the ground.

Daly was picked up and dumped. No problems with the yellow and glad for the sake of the game it wasn't red. It has nothing to do with how Scotland are getting smashed here

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:51 am

glamorganalun wrote:Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by lostinwales on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:52 am

glamorganalun wrote:Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

Hogg's off with a head injury. Not sure what it was but suspect it was a collision with one of the Grays on the touchline.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Heaf on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:52 am

Still can't work out how throw to someone that doesn't move can be straight ...

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugby Fan on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:54 am

Time's up, Surely it would have been better to try some special move - which might be needed in a tighter circumstances - than test Farrell's leg on a long kick. Field position meant that Scotland would not have had many counter-attacking threats if they had won a turnover, and probably would have looked to end the half, rather than run from deep.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:55 am

England looking absolutely devastating here. Poor Scotland, losing Hogg and Bennett means we are now out of this. Poor Ali Price is getting his wing bombed with high balls.

Tremendous predatory playing from England. Gutted. Crying or Very sad
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Heaf on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:56 am

Good effort - Shame Daly is off as he might have made that kick

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by tigertattie on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:56 am

All the hype from the autumn for huw jones has clearly been overdone. He's getting schooled by Joseph.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by majesticimperialman on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:57 am

England well in command in the first half.

2 lovely tries by joseph and the last try by Watson. Whu sooth as silk.

More of the same in the second half please.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by trebellbobaggins on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:58 am

glamorganalun wrote:Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

.5 is sheer class. Has to be on the plane.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by lostinwales on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:58 am

Just a note on Farrell - I think we are lucky the injury is on his non kicking leg. If it was the other one maybe he would not have been here. He's been very good though

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:59 am

TightHEAD wrote:Resting JJ against Italy was a genius call from Jones

Also a kick up the backside. Got Joseph looking over his shoulder and thinking he needs a big game to keep his shirt. The old Eddie mind games again.

No point Gatland being at Twickenham. He's never going to consider Ford slicing the Scotland defence apart with those delayed passes as for him Ford won't be big enough.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:59 am

This is the England that we hoped to see, glimpsed odd 5-10 minute spells, but so far a full 40.

Thought the yellow might be red, not only dangerous, but late as well, he could have pulled out of the full tackle.


Ford, Farrell, Joseph just unbelievable.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by lostinwales on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:00 am

trebellbobaggins wrote:
glamorganalun wrote:Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

.5 is sheer class. Has to be on the plane.

Hes a very committed and brave player, and of course there is the kicking, but he offers very little threat in attack

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TightHEAD on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:00 am

If this keeps up in the 2nd half we should think about joining the rugby championship!
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:00 am

Not sure which I dislike the most though, BBC's commentary team and pundits or the adverts

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by lostinwales on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:01 am

Really tough with the injuries on both sides though.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by mid_gen on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:01 am

Have to point out the difference Haskell makes, he beasts the contact area and really helps us get quick ball, gives Ford and Youngs the space to operate and open up gaps for JJ.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:02 am

Does this mean Daly's unavailable next week?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by doctor_grey on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:02 am

This is probably the best half of Rugby England have played against a quality opponent under Eddie Jones.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:03 am

mid_gen wrote:Have to point out the difference Haskell makes, he beasts the contact area and really helps us get quick ball, gives Ford and Youngs the space to operate and open up gaps for JJ.

thumbsup totally agree.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Heaf on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:03 am

Not sure - didn't he come back after his HIA before going off again?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TightHEAD on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:03 am

Is Gatland really not there, shocking! If true
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Scottrf on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:03 am

doctor_grey wrote:This is probably the best half of Rugby England have played against a quality opponent under Eddie Jones.
If it qualifies, it might be  Very Happy
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:04 am

Rugbyjk wrote:Does this mean Daly's unavailable next week?

Not sure, Doc might know.

Presumably he passed the HIA, so it must have been his call to go off.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:04 am

The loss of Hogg and Bennett has absolutely ruined us we have a scrum half on the wing, England are ruthlessly exploiting it. Full credit, they are 100 % worth that lead.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by lostinwales on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:05 am

Rugbyjk wrote:Does this mean Daly's unavailable next week?

Depends. The fact that he came back on the pitch at all suggests it wasn't a head injury that forced him to leave. Might be neck/shoulder who knows. The way he was dumped didn't look good.

Still - its tough for Scotland that we get to replace Daly with Watson


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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by doctor_grey on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:05 am

Scottrf wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:This is probably the best half of Rugby England have played against a quality opponent under Eddie Jones.
If it qualifies, it might be  Very Happy
Not that I want to jinx anything mind.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by trebellbobaggins on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:05 am

Going to be a good second half. This potentially world class Scottish team will surely not lie down.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Scottrf on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:06 am

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:The loss of Hogg and Bennett has absolutely ruined us we have a scrum half on the wing, England are ruthlessly exploiting it. Full credit, they are 100 % worth that lead.
Scotland have been unlucky with injuries to key positions but the tries are coming through the middle.
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Taylorman on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:06 am

nathan wrote:
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tigert!ttie wrote:Yellow? For that? Rugby really is going soft

Absolutely agree with that. Tackle was copybook and there's no way you can expect the player to control the ball carriers momentum from there. Players are going to start getting confused when the way they get taught all their lives is going to be carded. No way he could have adjusted mid air on that tackle, meaning, as tiger says, he needed to apply a softer approach to do so. 'Tackle hard....but perhaps not that hard'...soft.

He went above the horizontal, how on earth is the fact that's a yellow a surprise to anyone?

Didn't say it was a surprise, said it was soft. And it was.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:09 am

mid_gen wrote:Have to point out the difference Haskell makes, he beasts the contact area and really helps us get quick ball, gives Ford and Youngs the space to operate and open up gaps for JJ.

Front foot ball makes a huge difference. Haskell is a big part of England getting it and Scotland being denied it.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:09 am

trebellbobaggins wrote:Going to be a good second half.  This potentially world class Scottish team will surely not lie down.

Potentially world class teams tend to tackle. We are awful today

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by lostinwales on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:10 am

Joseph so so sharp

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by trebellbobaggins on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:10 am

yeah.. Scotland have been outplayed today. What changed since last week? have England stepped up?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Heaf on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:10 am

Hatrick for JJ - fandabidosie

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:10 am

This is awesome, just hope we keep some back for next week.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TightHEAD on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:10 am

When do we deploy our world class bench?
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by kingelderfield on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:10 am

I just hope we can remain focused with all the changes that are sure to come.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by lostinwales on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:11 am

Taylorman wrote:
nathan wrote:
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tigert!ttie wrote:Yellow? For that? Rugby really is going soft

Absolutely agree with that. Tackle was copybook and there's no way you can expect the player to control the ball carriers momentum from there. Players are going to start getting confused when the way they get taught all their lives is going to be carded. No way he could have adjusted mid air on that tackle, meaning, as tiger says, he needed to apply a softer approach to do so. 'Tackle hard....but perhaps not that hard'...soft.

He went above the horizontal, how on earth is the fact that's a yellow a surprise to anyone?

Didn't say it was a surprise, said it was soft. And it was.
I don't think Daly thought it was soft

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TightHEAD on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:11 am

Nothing in that
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Rugbyjk on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:12 am

Nothing wrong with that at all, no football acting please.

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by TightHEAD on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:12 am

Absolute joke
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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:13 am

Dangerous hit by Hughes?

Are you kidding?

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Re: 6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

Post by Heaf on Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:13 am

how is that yellow?

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