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6 Nations Champions 2017 -E N G L A N D

Post by TightHEAD on Sat 11 Mar 2017, 6:02 pm

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Well played England, just one more game and I think that makes up for the 2015 RWC shambles.

+ 18 on the trot Very Happy

So please Congratulate us on a wonderful achievement under Eddie Jones, but please complete the Slam.


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Post by Rugby Fan on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:10 am

cascough wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:I'm going to get an official World Record 19 wins t-shirt.  

Why stop there? We play Argentina x3...

Two Tests in Argentina.

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:12 am

Scottrf wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:Yes they do. They are better than England.
You've jumped the shark.

Well if you ask a stupid question you get a stupid answer.

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Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:21 am

GG - don't get confused. When the ABs do anything it's a "world record" because they need the feeling that they matter in the globe.
Cyprus have a claim, why not?
England have a way to go to beat Jahangir Khan's 555 consecutive game wins!

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Post by GunsGermsV2 on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:23 am

Its a bit like saying Daisuke Ohata isnt the top international try scorer in rugby because he played for Japan.

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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:26 am

Back on Topic!

England are Champions.........again.
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Post by cascough on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:26 am

Rugby Fan wrote:
cascough wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:I'm going to get an official World Record 19 wins t-shirt.  

Why stop there? We play Argentina x3...

Two Tests in Argentina.

Please don't take that post seriously. One game at a time.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:31 am

TightHEAD wrote:Back on Topic!

England are Champions.........again.

No, no. Hold on - not so hasty.

So let me get this right, this Rugby Union International side with a better win sequence record than both England and New Zealand were denied the publicity to crow about it by the admin boys at World Rugby who allowed false data to be used to promote both New Zealand's and now England's run at a supposed world record that isn't one?

Scandalous stuff of Fake News proportions!

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:34 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:I'm going to get an official World Record 19 wins t-shirt.  

Its not a world record though, Cyprus have the record with 24 wins.

The record is consecutive wins against teir one nations. *

Its the record that the All Blacks have been trading off for some time, England didnt invent thi sos dont blame them. Its still better than claiming the record for unicycling backwards in baked beans on a tuesday for a person named Keith.

Im sure Ireland would takle it right now anyway.


And yes the future schedule does bode well for extending it ... the 3 Argentina games includes the AIs. That said the summer tour will be done shirt of players, there may well be other withdrawls for surgery etc. England have been mugged out there before.

Theres also been a lot of talk of New Zelaand trying to negotiate an extra fixture in the AI period on the grounds that they have no dencent competition in SANZAR err that they want to play the game all the fans want to see err that they realise they can make a few quid off the back of it.



* Yes Wales are included in that, again dont blame the RFU Im sure they were first in line to lodge complaint


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Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:42 am

Gooseberry wrote:The record is consecutive wins against teir one nations.

Are Fiji a tier one nation? Or Uruguay?

If not then England must be only on 16?

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Post by cascough on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:44 am

It's not against tier 1 nations. It's by a tier 1 nation.

Both NZ and ENG records include wins over tier 2/3 nations.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:45 am

Given this was only brought up in relation to whether England's run was significant as they had avoided NZ I think we can all congratulate Cyprus and still acknowledge it's not the same.

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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:45 am

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Post by Poorfour on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:46 am

Gooseberry wrote:And yes the future schedule does bode well for extending it ... the 3 Argentina games includes the AIs. That said the summer tour will be done shirt of players, there may well be other withdrawls for surgery etc. England have been mugged out there before.

Yes, but it's a great test - I remember that the wins in Argentina on 2001 were one of the key building blocks for the 2003 side.

Cyprus's record is a good one, but in reality there's a big difference between playing Tier 1 nations and not playing them. The quality below tier 1 is so variable that a good squad can have a material advantage over their peers for quite some time.

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Post by Scottrf on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:46 am

Fiji and Uruguay aren't tier one but are 53 and 42 places above Cyprus' best win. Maybe the stat should be adjusted though.
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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:50 am

I never lost a match at secondary school (5 years) and we played 20 odd matches a season, therefore I hold the record for most wins.
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Post by munkian on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:50 am

TightHEAD wrote:I never lost a match at secondary school (5 years) and we played 20 odd matches a season, therefore I hold the record for most wins.  

Netball doesn't really count.
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Post by beshocked on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:51 am

ABs avoided a few countries in their 18 game run.

Of the top 10 isn't the only one missing from England's list NZ?

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Post by Poorfour on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:52 am

The Great Aukster wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:The record is consecutive wins against teir one nations.

Are Fiji a tier one nation? Or Uruguay?

If not then England must be only on 16?

If England are only on 16, then New Zealand are only on 15, given their run included wins over the might of Namibia (the lowest ranked team played by either side), Georgia and Tonga.

Glass houses, stones and all that.

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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:52 am

munkian wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:I never lost a match at secondary school (5 years) and we played 20 odd matches a season, therefore I hold the record for most wins.  

Netball doesn't really count.

Does if you have moobs.
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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:55 am

TightHEAD wrote:Back on Topic!

England are Champions.........again.

Evidently your temporary ban has expired. Joy. Rolling Eyes
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Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:56 am

Poorfour wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:The record is consecutive wins against teir one nations.

Are Fiji a tier one nation? Or Uruguay?

If not then England must be only on 16?

If England are only on 16, then New Zealand are only on 15, given their run included wins over the might of Namibia (the lowest ranked team played by either side), Georgia and Tonga.

Glass houses, stones and all that.

Congratulations! England got the record last Saturday then.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 11:56 am

Poorfour wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:The record is consecutive wins against teir one nations.

Are Fiji a tier one nation? Or Uruguay?

If not then England must be only on 16?

If England are only on 16, then New Zealand are only on 15, given their run included wins over the might of Namibia (the lowest ranked team played by either side), Georgia and Tonga.

Glass houses, stones and all that.

New Zealand ain't throwing any stones though. It's just the record books that have finally cast one.

Anyway, to show that I like to keep things balanced, I know the English are shy so I'll elaborate on the Cyprus boys. Turns out it's mostly English players that got their record anyway. So don't feel so let down. The English just can't avoid records, even when they're outgunning themselves Wink

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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 12:02 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Back on Topic!

England are Champions.........again.

Evidently your temporary ban has expired. Joy. Rolling Eyes

As has you hopes and dreams. Whistle
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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 12:07 pm

Scottrf wrote:Fiji and Uruguay aren't tier one but are 53 and 42 places above Cyprus' best win. Maybe the stat should be adjusted though.

Youre correct ... Teaches me tro go with BBC articles.

The record would actually be for "High Performance" nations, World Rugby doesnt recogniose the old Tier system anymore. Its essentially the old Tier 1&2.

Trade descriptions act with Scotland last weekend ...but again dont blame the RFU for that. Or for New Zealand ducking them.

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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 12:09 pm

If any of you are interested.

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 12:10 pm

To be fair they have to make back some of the lost World Cup revenue somewhere.

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Post by beshocked on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 12:13 pm

Isn't it NZ dodging England, not the other way round? Weren't NZ complaining about revenue? Refusing to play at Twickenham etc?

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Post by Poorfour on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 1:03 pm

Gooseberry wrote:To be fair they have to make back some of the lost World Cup revenue somewhere.

Nope - they're quids in from RWC 15. RFU met their ticket and sponsorship sales targets (some way ahead of the tournament, IIRC) so trousered a nice surplus even after the record payment to World Rugby.

All in all, the school report on RWC 15 was A on Spectacle, A on Organisation, A* on Finances and F on Home Team Performance. But by using some of the extra cash to hire Eddie Jones, they're at least a B+ on resits.

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Post by Poorfour on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 1:05 pm

beshocked wrote:Isn't it NZ dodging England, not the other way round? Weren't NZ complaining about revenue? Refusing to play at Twickenham etc?

The RFU are refusing to pay, so NZRU are refusing to play. Who's dodging who depends on whose side you're on. I don't think Eddie's trying to dodge them, at any rate.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 1:40 pm

beshocked wrote:ABs avoided a few countries in their 18 game run.

Of the top 10 isn't the only one missing from England's list NZ?

NZ "dodged" Scotland in their 18 game winning run. Doesn't count.

Here's a good analysis of the two runs:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11815697

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Post by Scottrf on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 1:47 pm

Yeah had a look at the average rankings earlier. NZ have better average opponents (mainly the Italy factor once we strip tier 2 opponents), England beat more of the top 10 and England with more away wins. Most significant for me is that NZs included a WC win.
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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 1:51 pm

It's interesting.... the battle.

But look at it this way.  New Zealand have already started their 'catch-up' on England's 'record' before England has actually reached it.  So they're off to try to reach a new summit and England have to wait until the lose to get after them Wink

So it makes sense - if England lose next week, that means they'll get chasing after New Zealand quicker.  The longer they leave it to lose, the later they get started on the chase. Wink

Eddie.  Don't be a fool.  Don't delay.

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Post by beshocked on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 2:06 pm

Poorfour wrote:
beshocked wrote:Isn't it NZ dodging England, not the other way round? Weren't NZ complaining about revenue? Refusing to play at Twickenham etc?

The RFU are refusing to pay, so NZRU are refusing to play. Who's dodging who depends on whose side you're on. I don't think Eddie's trying to dodge them, at any rate.

Isn't that because the NZRU demanded more money?

Just looked it up - NZ doubling their match fee. Pricing themselves out of the market.

Seems like NZ dodging England that's for sure.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 2:11 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Back on Topic!

England are Champions.........again.

Evidently your temporary ban has expired. Joy. Rolling Eyes

As has you hopes and dreams. Whistle

You may or may not find this a crushing disappointment but my hopes and dreams are not centered on your dreadful contributions on an internet forum.
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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 2:30 pm

music We are the champions........My friends music
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Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 2:47 pm

But it's been no bed of roses

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 2:56 pm

TightHEAD wrote: music  We are the champions........My friends music


music No time for losers
'cause we are the champions
Of the .... ta dah!  music

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Post by Exiledinborders on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 3:09 pm

TightHEAD wrote: music  We are the champions........My friends music
If this is how you celebrate a win I would be surprised if you have any.

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 3:11 pm

Exiledinborders wrote:
TightHEAD wrote: music  We are the champions........My friends music
If this is how you celebrate a win I would be surprised if you have any.

Plenty of fair weather freiends now we are winning stuff

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 3:16 pm

Stop interrupting the song!

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Post by TightHEAD on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 3:21 pm

music Mamma mia, here I go again
My my, how can I resist you?
Mamma mia, does it show again
My my, just how much I've missed you?  music
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Post by George Carlin on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 3:28 pm

SecretFly wrote:Stop interrupting the song!
Laugh Laugh
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Post by munkian on Tue 14 Mar 2017, 3:32 pm

SecretFly wrote:Stop interrupting the song!

He's English - they only know the chorus and occasionally the first verse.
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