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Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Mon 13 Mar 2017, 10:16 am

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ITALY VS SCOTLAND

Date: Saturday 18th March
Venue: Murrayfield Edinburgh
Kick Off: 12h30
Referee:  Pascal Gauzere (France)
TV Coverage: Live on BBC

Scotland and Italy will get proceedings underway on the final weekend of the 2017 Six Nations Championship when they meet at the BT Murrayfield Stadium in Edinburgh on Saturday 18th March.

Scotland ended a run of nine straight Six Nations defeats when they beat Italy 36-20 in the 2016 Championship.

Scotland and Italy have contested a total of 26 rugby test matches since their first meeting in 1996. Scotland have won 18 of those matches, whilst Italy have won 8 matches.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 1:11 pm

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Gwlad wrote:Scotland should win this but after their set piece and first phase defense got rogered mercilessly last week i expect the italians will push them rather close. In fact i wouldn't be surprised if they got stuffed. Also feel sure that performance will put paid to many ideas that Scotland will or should contribute a decent amount of players to the Lions i'm afraid. Lots of marginal selections will now go the way of Wales after their galactic victory. Players like Hogg and Jonny Gray should go, maybe Seymour but few others if any. pity

You wouldn't be surprised if Italy beat us? Please...  Rolling Eyes

It's amazing how many Welsh have come crawling out of the woodwork after beating Ireland.

If Scotland are so bad how did they manage to beat Wales? How did they manage to beat Ireland (a team you seem to think Victory over exonerates all the rubbish your team has been playing over the past few months)? As it stands Scotland have beaten more of the home nations than either Ireland or Wales and by that logic are the 2nd best team with the second best players in the Lions selection pool.

Wales, Scotland and Ireland are all much of a muchness at the moment. The simple truth is that half the Lions team will be English with the remaining half split between Wales, Ireland and Scotland.

All in all I'm very pleased with the selection. I can't believe that Seymour and Wilson in particular have gotten through their head injuries. Those two in particular got absolutely rattled.

I would have persevered with Brown starting at hooker though. Perhaps Ford is on to use the scrum as a weapon but I would have stuck with Brown who untill last weekend was one of the form hookers of the tournament.

Scotland are still unpredictable IMO. They'll either beat Italy and score over 50 points, or lose narrowly. No middle ground. If it's going to be the former then they need as many Glasgow players as possible Wink.

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Post by EWT Spoons on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 2:26 pm

Anglobraveheart wrote:There may be some sense in having Gilcho on from the start to soak up the early pressure from Italy. He's a bigger lump that Swinson, and we maybe need his stodge to soak up their pressure before they start blowing out of their rear ends at 60 mins.
This then allows a very angry, but big impact Swinson to come on and create a bit of havoc against the tired opposition.
It may not be such a bad idea after all.....

But, if I was Toolis, I'd be well and truly hacked off. I'm sure that this is something that Toonie will rectify.

Sadly I think it's more likely that Gilco will get himself injured inside the opening 20 seconds, get stretchered off for some obscure injury that will keep him out for 6-12 months.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 2:28 pm

To be fair to Gilchrist I don't think he's had a single injury this season, and has been available for selection for every game!

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Re: 6N 2017 : Scotland vs Italy Murrayfield Edinburgh "THE BACKLASH?"

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 2:42 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:To be fair to Gilchrist I don't think he's had a single injury this season, and has been available for selection for every game!

hes he's just been dogs droppings...

This is a huge chance for him. He may be out of favour with the incumbent Edinburgh management but if he has a stormer, this is a great chance to show off to Cockerill or anyone else that is looking to sign a half decent lock.
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Post by highland_scot on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 2:44 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:To be fair to Gilchrist I don't think he's had a single injury this season, and has been available for selection for every game!

Yes... But that's helped by the fact they wouldn't let him play - was it the Ospreys game where Bradbury was hobbling round the pitch, took a bash to the head and then Gilchrist came on for the HIA but Gilchrist came back off for Bradbury to hop on despite being unfit to play?

So yes- of course there's no injuries given he's only got on the pitch for 5 mins in case he gets injured!

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 9:27 pm

Under 20s winning 14-0 at halftime and looking pretty good.

Italy should have had a red - on 40 minutes their player did a late swinging arm to the head. Can't believe he only gave a yellow. The Italian had the audacity to complain about even getting a yellow!

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 9:39 pm

BP secured with 2 quick 2nd half tries - Fagerson just ran the length of the pitch!

He must have got the running genes in the family...

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 10:04 pm

Our reserve props are being annihilated in the scrums and Italy pulled it back to 31-17 - massive forward pass for their latest try!

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 10:10 pm

Red card for Italy for pulling our lineout jumper down in the air making him tip over and land head first.


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Re: 6N 2017 : Scotland vs Italy Murrayfield Edinburgh "THE BACKLASH?"

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 10:19 pm

This is a horrendously dirty Italian team - now 2 red cards and should have been another one earlier in the game.

So many cheap shots!

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Post by EWT Spoons on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 10:21 pm

I still can't believe the earlier incident wasn't given as a red.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 17 Mar 2017, 10:25 pm

Scotland win 38-17 in a really good performance.

Our starting tighthead was a bit of s beast (and looks about 40!) And Hunter-Hill looks a real prospect at lock. The whole backrow looked good with Fagerson a standout player.

In the backs the 13 looked a big strong runner and Graham is rapid at 15.

Still can't believe how dirty the Italians were - it was like watching the bad old days of thuggery.

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Re: 6N 2017 : Scotland vs Italy Murrayfield Edinburgh "THE BACKLASH?"

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 8:25 am

Full game here

https://youtu.be/LDmbGeg97wI



Skip to 3 hours 1 minute - any ideas on how that wasn't a red??

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Post by cakeordeath on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 9:17 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Scotland win 38-17 in a really good performance.

Our starting tighthead was a bit of s beast (and looks about 40!) And Hunter-Hill looks a real prospect at lock. The whole backrow looked good with Fagerson a standout player.

In the backs the 13 looked a big strong runner and Graham is rapid at 15.

Still can't believe how dirty the Italians were - it was like watching the bad old days of thuggery.

It was cheap shot after cheap shot. The Italians were lucky not to have 3 red cards

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Re: 6N 2017 : Scotland vs Italy Murrayfield Edinburgh "THE BACKLASH?"

Post by alive555 on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 9:59 am

Richie Gray out
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 10:14 am

That is a big loss Sad
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Post by sensisball on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 11:02 am

Gilchrist being pants all season, even more useless than normal, but still able to wangle a start demonstrates that he still has those uncompromising pics of Big Vern safely stashed away in Swiss bank! Seriously though, it is mental that he gets past being the water boy for the squad whilst Jon Welsh isn't deemed good enough to push past the anonymous big beard Berghan.

I would actually prefer Welsh at 4 for Scotland. He tackles harder, carries better, has a better turn of pace and would be a stronger scrummager than Gilco. Granted his line-out might a a tad less effective.

This game now has banana skin written all over it.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:24 pm

Still think it is a massive mistake to let Cotter go, quality coach. I would have him over Schmidt any day of the week.

Best of luck to ye Scottish fans today thumbsup
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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:26 pm

sensisball wrote:I would actually prefer Welsh at 4 for Scotland.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:36 pm

What happened to Visser? He was really bad but is now playing very well and showing great strength and skill...
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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:42 pm

eirebilly wrote:What happened to Visser? He was really bad but is now playing very well and showing great strength and skill...

He was told to buck up his defence before the last World Cup. Moving to Quins - who have some quality coaches - was a good move. And sorry, but Visser has never been "really bad"!
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Post by cakeordeath on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:43 pm

Scotland continuing the Poopie from last week

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:44 pm

THANK F**K FOR NIGEL OWENS
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Post by tigertattie on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:47 pm

Nige saved us. Then we fooked it ourselves
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Post by mid_gen on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:47 pm

Anyone else watching on iPlayer? Looks like this game is broadcast at 60fps, looks great!

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Post by cakeordeath on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:50 pm

tigertattie wrote:Nige saved us. Then we fooked it ourselves

I dunno I think the Italian 1 is angling in

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:51 pm

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eirebilly wrote:What happened to Visser? He was really bad but is now playing very well and showing great strength and skill...

He was told to buck up his defence before the last World Cup. Moving to Quins - who have some quality coaches - was a good move. And sorry, but Visser has never been "really bad"!

I used to think he was very bad. Defensively very weak, terrible under the high ball and had no handling skills. All he could do was finish (which is his job). Now he seems a far more complete winger.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:51 pm

A Simply Mesmeric Try wrote:THANK F**K FOR NIGEL OWENS

Some French refs seem to struggle understanding the laws ...

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:51 pm

This isn't a good game

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Post by Heaf on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:53 pm

Maybe it will get better Fingers Crossed

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:53 pm

This ref... Why isn't Nige in charge?
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:58 pm

Thought Jason Bourne was in there but looks like he has done his leg...
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Post by tigertattie on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:59 pm

Poor huw.

Time for Scott to show his stuff though
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:02 pm

Well it was coming but my god Scotland made hard work of that.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:06 pm

Penalties for that!!!
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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:13 pm

What? Was that a chip or did the ball pop out?
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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:18 pm

Not the best of games but can't complain about 15-0!

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:21 pm

Tommy Allen has quite the saffer accent. I thought he was half Scots/half Italian.

I hope the second half is more entertaining!
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:23 pm

15-0 is not a bad return so far RDW. Shame for yiz to lose Jones as I think he would have been great in the last 20. Matt Scott is not a bad replacement though. Its not a game that has truly grabbed the attention but I hope it gets better in the 2nd half.
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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:45 pm

Very strange yellow - to me a maul hadn't even formed!

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:45 pm

Fair play to Italy but Scotland seem to have lost their way.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:49 pm

Yep, by far and away the Lions 15 on show here today.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 1:58 pm

The work rate of Hamish Watson is very impressive.
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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 2:01 pm

Started watching the game, fell asleep, woke up and it's still as boring!

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 2:03 pm

Is there really a need to make such comments GeordieFalcon?
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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 2:04 pm

Not really,just expressing my disappointment in the game.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 2:06 pm

Ps the crowd now doing a Mexican wave would suggest they feel the same!

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 2:15 pm

Finally Scotland get the TBP. They are in with a very big shout of finishing second in the 6N now.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 2:16 pm

Dilema for the Scots now - they have to support England against Ireland Shocked

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 18 Mar 2017, 2:22 pm

Job done to be fair Geordie. Yes the game is pretty boring, but it's a very professional performance.
Think if that idiot winger hadn't butchered two tries and the ten had kicked his pens, maybe 29-16 would be a fairer score line, but as I said Scotland have done all they've had to.

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