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6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by George Carlin on Mon 13 Mar 2017, 6:15 pm

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IRELAND v ENGLAND
18 March 2017
KO: 17:00 GMT
Aviva Stadium, Dublin

Referee: Jerome Garces (France)
Touch judges: Mathieu Raynal (France) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

Live on [BBC, RTE, DMAX, FR2, ITV (H)]

A. Head to Head

131 Played 131
47 Won 76
8 Drawn 8
76 Lost 47
1,079 Points 1,526

B. Recent Form

27 February 2016
Twickenham, London
21 – 10 to England

5 September 2015
Twickenham, London
21 – 13 to England

1 March 2015
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
19 – 9 to Ireland

22 February 2014
Twickenham, London
13 – 10 to England

10 February 2013
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
6 – 12 to England

17 March 2012
Twickenham, London
30 – 9 to England

C. Teams

IRELAND

Payne; Earls, Ringrose, Henshaw, Zebo; Sexton, Marmion; McGrath, Best (captain), Furlong; Ryan, Henderson; Stander, O'Brien, Heaslip,

Replacements: Scannell, Healy, Ryan, Toner, O'Mahony, McGrath, Jackson, Conway.

ENGLAND

Brown; Watson, Joseph, Farrell, Daly; Ford, Youngs; Marler, Hartley (captain), Cole; Launchbury, Lawes; Itoje, Haskell, B Vunipola.

Replacements: George, M Vunipola, Sinckler, Wood, Hughes, Care, Te'o, Nowell.


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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:39 am

15. Mike Brown
14. Anthony Watson
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. Owen Farrell
11. Elliot Daly
10. George Ford
9. Ben Youngs
1. Joe Marler
2. Dylan Hartley (captain)
3. Dan Cole
4. Joe Launchbury
5. Courtney Lawes
6. Maro Itoje
7. James Haskell
8. Billy Vunipola
Replacements:
16. Jamie George
17. Mako Vunipola
18. Kyle Sinckler
19. Tom Wood
20. Nathan Hughes
21. Danny Care
22. Ben Te’o
23. Jack Nowell

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by BamBam on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:39 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
beshocked wrote:England start away a lot too.

Away in 2011,2012,2014,2015 and 2016 first game.

Not really fair in my opinion.

Id rather that than get Wayne Barnes every year for Ireland v Wales games. Now that's dodgy.

Do you not like Wayne Barnes, Guns?

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:42 am

BamBam wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
beshocked wrote:England start away a lot too.

Away in 2011,2012,2014,2015 and 2016 first game.

Not really fair in my opinion.

Id rather that than get Wayne Barnes every year for Ireland v Wales games. Now that's dodgy.

Do you not like Wayne Barnes, Guns?

Not really no. It surprises me a lot that world rugby would appoint the same referee to the same fixture every year. seems like very bad governance.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by dummy_half on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:44 am

Obviously happy with the England team - slightly surprised that Nowell is dropped to the bench, as I thought his quick feet style could be useful to give us go forward in traffic, but Watson offers more outright pace (as probably does Daly). Again, perhaps a horses for courses choice given the thought that Ireland's back 3 lack a bit of speed. (Watson being a much better rugby player than the perhaps even quicker Johnny May).

Billy for Hughes looked a no brainer after the Italy performance, but I thought Hughes had probably his most effective match in an England shirt on Saturday. Suspect Billy's greater power and ability to make a yard or two off slow ball will count this week though.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by beshocked on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:46 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
beshocked wrote:England start away a lot too.

Away in 2011,2012,2014,2015 and 2016 first game.

Not really fair in my opinion.

Id rather that than get Wayne Barnes every year for Ireland v Wales games. Now that's dodgy.

Getting one of the best refs in world rugby to look after your matches is dodgy?

Easier to blame Barnes for your stodginess in attack than looking at why despite chance after chance you can't score more points vs Wales.

Wales have a good defence but it's not unbreakable and Wales aren't unbeatable.


If you take out the 9 try battering of Italy - Ireland only have 4 tries in 3 games vs France,Scotland and Wales.

England in contrast scored 7 vs Scotland, 1 vs France, 2 vs Wales - that's 10 vs those 3.


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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by SecretFly on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:48 am

Nowell is on the bench? Ah, so his quick feet style will aid the second half at some point Wink

In today's world the bench really has as much influence as the starters.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:50 am

beshocked wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
beshocked wrote:England start away a lot too.

Away in 2011,2012,2014,2015 and 2016 first game.

Not really fair in my opinion.

Id rather that than get Wayne Barnes every year for Ireland v Wales games. Now that's dodgy.

Getting one of the best refs in world rugby to look after your matches is dodgy?

Easier to blame Barnes for your stodginess in attack than looking at why despite chance after chance you can't score more points vs Wales.

Wales have a good defence but it's not unbreakable and Wales aren't unbeatable.

No Barnes is the worst refs on the elite refereeing panel and has been for many years now. He is only there to give England a representative because JP Doyle is really Irish. I would take any referee over him for any game.


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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:51 am

Nearly got my 606 bingo done. Now for someone to mention George on the bench.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:51 am

Well im probably with everyone else...the only surprise being the Nowell v Daly selection.

Watson is our best winger(IMO) a top class strike runner so no surprise he's back. But I thought Nowell was very active and popped up all over the pitch looking for the ball. He deserved his selection, but I guess Jones just sees much more in Daly.

I still think if he doesn't tour with the lions (dark horse multi position cover) then he will tour to Argentina as the starting FB.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:52 am

It looks to be the natural progression for him doesn't it geordie.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by BamBam on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:53 am

And gets our 3 most dangerous back 3 players playing together

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by beshocked on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:55 am

JP Doyle is one of the worst refs.

Barnes is quality.

Shouldn't use him as a scapegoat for your toothless attack vs Wales.

The so called controversial decisions weren't really controversial - Sexton was preventing quick ball on his line. Henshaw deserved to be penalised.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:57 am

11 Watson
14 Nowell
15 Daly

Is a pretty handy back 3 for the future...and all 3 have different traits and skills. A nice balance.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 11:57 am

No he is the most controversial and blunder prone ref in world rugby. He probably has the biggest ego too now that Steve Walsh has gone.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by beshocked on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:04 pm

What do you feel Barnes got wrong in the Wales-Ireland game?

I thought he was good as usual.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:05 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:No he is the most controversial and blunder prone ref in world rugby. He probably has the biggest ego too now that Steve Walsh has gone.

Just sounds like an excuse for losing.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by LondonTiger on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:05 pm

Wayne Barnes is an irrelevance to this thread. Perhaps set up another one to discuss him - and who knows like the last time users may be banned again.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:07 pm

Barnes is world class.
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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:08 pm

Was Nigel busy this weekend why isn't he Refereeing this game?
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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by beshocked on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:10 pm

Talking about the previous game Ireland played is not a bad thing in my opinion.

Need to talk about it to look at what went wrong. In my opinion it wasn't Barnes who let Ireland down. It was Ireland letting Ireland down.

Not turning territory and possession into points enough.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by Gooseberry on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:16 pm

So it wasn't Scmidts fault after all?

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:43 pm

First twenty will be important. Hopefully we get hold of the ball and just take the sting out of Ireland and the atmosphere. Yeah I'd like a few tries like vs Scotland but I'd take a lead of 3 playing for territory with no handling errors.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 12:55 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:No he is the most controversial and blunder prone ref in world rugby. He probably has the biggest ego too now that Steve Walsh has gone.

Just sounds like an excuse for losing.

You dont have to win or lose to see how bad he is.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:01 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Was Nigel busy this weekend why isn't he Refereeing this game?

Who is the ref?

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:03 pm

I see its Jerome Garces. Happy with that. Big improvement on Barnes.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:06 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:First twenty will be important. Hopefully we get hold of the ball and just take the sting out of Ireland and the atmosphere. Yeah I'd like a few tries like vs Scotland but I'd take a lead of 3 playing for territory with no handling errors.

I have been to about 8 or so Ireland v England games. I have only seen Ireland lose one and it was the hammering in '03 in the same venue. This England side are probably close to being as good as that side. Interesting day ahead.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by carpet baboon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:48 pm

Well Payne at Fullback is good and conway on the bench

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:49 pm

Yeah Payne in is good. Murray is out.

Marmion starts at 9. Henderson starts too.


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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by carpet baboon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:49 pm

Will miss murray at 9 but will be good to see what marmion can do from the start

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by carpet baboon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:51 pm

And I like Henderson is starting

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:51 pm

carpet baboon wrote:Will miss murray at 9 but will be good to see what marmion can do from the start

Billy V will have fun with Marmion.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by the-goon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:54 pm

what is the team then? Hend, marm, payne for dev, murray and RK?

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:56 pm

the-goon wrote:what is the team then? Hend, marm, payne for dev, murray and RK?

Yes

Conway on the bench

Ireland ( v England )
15. Jared Payne
14. Keith Earls
13. Garry Ringrose
12. Robbie Henshaw
11. Simon Zebo
10. Jonathan Sexton
9. Kieran Marmion
1. Jack McGrath
2. Rory Best (Capt)
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Donnacha Ryan
5. Iain Henderson
6. CJ Stander
7. Sean O’Brien
8. Jamie Heaslip
Replacements
16. Niall Scannell
17. Cian Healy
18. John Ryan
19. Devin Toner
20. Peter O’Mahony
21. Luke McGrath
22. Paddy Jackson
23. Andrew Conway


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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by carpet baboon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:56 pm

the-goon wrote:what is the team then? Hend, marm, payne for dev, murray and RK?

Yup all others the same. But Conway in at 23

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:58 pm

Decent side IMO

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 1:59 pm

Watching the 'IRISH' press conference now a kiwi and a saffer are answering questions.
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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by carpet baboon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:00 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Watching the 'IRISH' press conference now a kiwi and a saffer are answering questions.

And?

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:00 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Watching the 'IRISH' press conference now a kiwi and a saffer are answering questions.

As opposed to an Aussie and a Kiwi when England do their pressers?

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:00 pm

Bait.
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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:01 pm

Calm down lads, enjoy the ride.
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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by Gooseberry on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:01 pm

Ill be honest I preferred the England Scotland thread. Can we have that back please?

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:02 pm

Just testing the water chaps, and boy are they biting and its only Thursday. Very Happy
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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by Geen sport voor watjes on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:05 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Watching the 'IRISH' press conference now a kiwi and a saffer are answering questions.

You are a credit to your education system. Well done

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by GunsGermsV2 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:05 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Just testing the water chaps, and boy are they biting and its only Thursday. Very Happy

Think you are confusing us for Dylan Hartley.

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by marty2086 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:05 pm

Payne at 15 Drool

Now we have someone in the team who will tell Earls to tackle rather than running backwards Rolling Eyes


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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:06 pm

It was nice being able to understand what was being said.
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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by carpet baboon on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:07 pm

Think we will see a lot of henshaw in full flight down the ten channel

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by marty2086 on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:07 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Just testing the water chaps, and boy are they biting and its only Thursday. Very Happy

Think you are confusing us for Dylan Hartley.

That's not fair, he's just as likely to gouge, abuse, punch, headbutt, elbow or clothesline

With so many Irishmen in one place we could get the full repertoire from him this weekend

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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by TightHEAD on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:08 pm

Ford will be waiting for him
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Re: 6N 2017: Ireland v England, 18 March

Post by Geen sport voor watjes on Thu 16 Mar 2017, 2:09 pm

TightHEAD wrote:It was nice being able to understand what was being said.  

Said the baaaarf supporter. Found your combine 'arvester yet Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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