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Post by pedro on Thu 09 Mar 2017, 11:17 am

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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by super_realist on Fri 19 May 2017, 7:20 am

SmithersJones wrote:If it does transpire that the Russians influenced the election in Drumpf's favour would there not be a strong case for a rerun?

Why? What possible influence could Russia have on the election? Could they have influence on the American public any more than a party political broadcast? I doubt it.

It's not whether Russia had any influence whatsoever, it's more that there might have been some collusion with them, regardless of any effect it might have had. It's a bit like Fat Sam and his involvement with a 3rd party. It's more that it's against the expected behaviour of a Presidential nominee.

I suspect Trump will hoist himself by his own petard. It seems unlikely and a bit of barrel scraping that this Russia angle could have swayed any result.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Fri 19 May 2017, 8:10 am

If it turns out the ruskies helped bring about (the equally unlikable) Clintons downfall, then I would think that could be seen as having an influence in the election.
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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by super_realist on Fri 19 May 2017, 8:18 am

How exactly would/did they do that?

This has the hallmark of tinfoil hattery about it.

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Post by puligny on Fri 19 May 2017, 8:30 am

Maybe hacking computers and releasing details from them along with the continual propaganda that there is more to come makes some appear less trustworthy. I don't believe anyone has said they were the main impact, but it's a brick in the wall.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 19 May 2017, 8:36 am

Are we to imagine that Trump's campaign is so technically inept that they couldn't dig into such information without detection and required the work of Russian technical help or that they couldn't get a domestic mole to dig up such information that they could keep a tighter reign on?

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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by puligny on Fri 19 May 2017, 8:37 am

Yes

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Post by super_realist on Fri 19 May 2017, 8:46 am

Seems a bit far fetched. Rather like a 9/11 "truther" or "chem trail" conspiracy.

Why need the Russians? America is full of technically adept people who could do this sort of thing simply because they are Trump supporters. It's absurd to think they'd have to rely on Russia to dig dirt on someone.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:03 am

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Post by puligny on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:12 am

Well Super the last time it happened (old technology) it was called Watergate. Maybe it's a higher risk domestic activity?

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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:15 am

super_realist wrote:
SmithersJones wrote:If it does transpire that the Russians influenced the election in Drumpf's favour would there not be a strong case for a rerun?

Why? What possible influence could Russia have on the election? Could they have influence on the American public any more than a party political broadcast? I doubt it.

It's not whether Russia had any influence whatsoever, it's more that there might have been some collusion with them, regardless of any effect it might have had. It's a bit like Fat Sam and his involvement with a 3rd party. It's more that it's against the expected behaviour of a Presidential nominee.

I suspect Trump will hoist himself by his own petard. It seems unlikely and a bit of barrel scraping that this Russia angle could have swayed any result.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:23 am

super_realist wrote:How exactly would/did they do that?

This has the hallmark of tinfoil hattery about it.
No, it hasn't:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

Even if not solely Russia, it's something everyone should be concerned about:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/14/robert-mercer-cambridge-analytica-leave-eu-referendum-brexit-campaigns

Also, every single intelligence agency in the U.S. (and GCHQ) says Russia was involved in influencing the outcome of the recent U.S. Presidential election, but you know better??? Really?
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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by MontysMerkin on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:36 am

You're sounding like a lentil knitting, sandal wearing, goddam loony lefty with a tin foil hat on (standard response on here to things we don't agree with or believe).
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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:41 am

MontysMerkin wrote:You're sounding like a lentil knitting, sandal wearing, goddam loony lefty with a tin foil hat on (standard response on here to things we don't agree with or believe).
Thanks. I'll wear the badge with pride. There's enough conspiracy nonsense around, but as it stands, I'll still take The Observer and their investigative journalism seriously.
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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by puligny on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:44 am

Excellent Radio 4 piece on Cambridge Analytica in last couple of weeks. Well worth tracking down. Basics are dividing the pie until you can identify a segment you can influence with very direct and targeted messages. Hacking Democrat emails is a little less sophisticated, but the target audience to be influenced, or maybe kept in a heightened state might not need too much in the way of sophisticated messaging?

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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by super_realist on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:45 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
super_realist wrote:How exactly would/did they do that?

This has the hallmark of tinfoil hattery about it.
No, it hasn't:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

Even if not solely Russia, it's something everyone should be concerned about:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/14/robert-mercer-cambridge-analytica-leave-eu-referendum-brexit-campaigns

Also, every single intelligence agency in the U.S. (and GCHQ) says Russia was involved in influencing the outcome of the recent U.S. Presidential election, but you know better??? Really?

I have NEVER said I know better, I'm saying that it seems preposterous that Trump would NEED Russian expertise where if he were really duplicitous then he would have plenty people on his side IN America able to do this without the obvious trail linking him to Russia, or to be held ransom by Russia.

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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by puligny on Fri 19 May 2017, 9:52 am

I wonder why one of Trumps progeny said a while back that they had all the financing they needed for future plans from Russia (my best synopsis) but now they apparently have no dealings with Russia? Oh actually I think the phrase used last week was no income from Russia on the tax returns - well that covers everything doesn't it?

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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by McLaren on Fri 19 May 2017, 12:21 pm

Super

Nobody thinks Trump "needed" Russian help because they were the only people who could do it.   But for some reason or another he does seem to be entangled with Russian organisations and people, and has potentially tapped into what they can offer him.  

You also seem to be missing that however small his connections to Russion influences are, it is still a problem.  Even a cent of Russian money going to his campaign would be illegal.


Having said that I doubt he will be impeached and unless he resigns he will still be here in 4 years time.  It doesn't seem like he can sink low enough for the republicans to actually do something about initiating his removal in one way or another.  It is also hard to see how the investigations into Russian links to his campaign and advisers will be finished any time in the next 4 years anyway.  Sadly it might remain a fantasy that Trump will go before the end of his term.  Even if the GOP took a totally beating in midterms would they do anything?
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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by pedro on Fri 19 May 2017, 3:58 pm

Government funded newspapers and television stations all across Europe, including many top European politicians, pretty openly ran smear campaigns against Trump throughout 2016. Yet noone amongst the political correctness thinks that is foreign involvement.

90% of major US newspapers and TV stations openly supported Clinton and ran smear campaigns against Trump.

Yet, the bitterness is still so prevalent amongst the hipocrates that Trumps victory is linked to a bunch of pimpled russian teenagers.

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Post by puligny on Fri 19 May 2017, 4:04 pm

Lots of pimpled Russians in the Russian Govt are there?
You are quite correct though - most media were anti Trump. Haven't wasted too much time thinking why!

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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by navyblueshorts on Fri 19 May 2017, 5:21 pm

pedro wrote:Government funded newspapers and television stations all across Europe, including many top European politicians, pretty openly ran smear campaigns against Trump throughout 2016. Yet noone amongst the political correctness thinks that is foreign involvement.

90% of major US newspapers and TV stations openly supported Clinton and ran smear campaigns against Trump.

Yet, the bitterness is still so prevalent amongst the hipocrates that Trumps victory is linked to a bunch of pimpled russian teenagers.
What Government-funded newspapers/television stations?
I don't think you'll find any European politicians did anything of the sort. Direct quotations please....?

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Post by Diggers on Fri 19 May 2017, 5:34 pm

I don't personally think who said what about who or who smeared who is relevant (at the moment). What matters is what is going on between the Trump team and the Putin team, and whether it's legal. And whether the head of the FBI was sacked to slow down/bury an investigation.
It is looking incredibly fishy, but I think the Trump administration are constantly managing to walk a very blurred line where they can make a case that everything is legit.
Whether that's through pure luck or clever planning who knows!!

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Post by McLaren on Fri 19 May 2017, 8:09 pm

pedro wrote:Government funded newspapers and television stations all across Europe, including many top European politicians, pretty openly ran smear campaigns against Trump throughout 2016. Yet noone amongst the political correctness thinks that is foreign involvement.

90% of major US newspapers and TV stations openly supported Clinton and ran smear campaigns against Trump.

Yet, the bitterness is still so prevalent amongst the hipocrates that Trumps victory is linked to a bunch of pimpled russian teenagers.

Again, as was pointed out to Super, if Trump goes down for any ties to Russia it will be more along the lines of a money flowing from them to his campaign or someone close to him or a failure on his part to properly divest after reaching the oval office.

If it turns out Hillary was getting back handers from a liberal government like Denmark of Sweden she will also be in trouble. Has there been any suggestion of this?
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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 19 May 2017, 10:50 pm

Whatever is happening, it's making for compelling viewing/reading, sort of like a slow-motion F1 crash where you can't imagine anyone comes out of it alive.

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Your rhetoric vis-a-vis Clinton could be applied to almost any politician, local or national, in this country; the only difference might be the scope and size (not of hands). We are in a true-Dem city where there's no doubt the Mayor has conflicts of interest and the former iconic Mayor, (Saint Bernard), is married to an old bag who has also probably had her fingers in the till.

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Post by Be_the_ball on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:57 am

Shocking events in Manchester last evening, awful and horrific.

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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by beninho on Tue 23 May 2017, 9:35 am

Lets hope Trump does not get impeached, a Mike Pence presidency will surely be worse! Throughout the whole campaign it was clear that Trump is a buffoon, but he was looking best of a bad bunch. The career politicians all jostling seemed a hell of a lot worse.

And terrible news from Manchester, while we have no confirmation on who carried it out, likelihood is some sort of Islamic terrorist, while Trumps is cuddling up with the Saudis.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 23 May 2017, 10:25 am

beninho wrote:Lets hope Trump does not get impeached, a Mike Pence presidency will surely be worse! Throughout the whole campaign it was clear that Trump is a buffoon, but he was looking best of a bad bunch. The career politicians all jostling seemed a hell of a lot worse.

And terrible news from Manchester, while we have no confirmation on who carried it out, likelihood is some sort of Islamic terrorist, while Trumps is cuddling up with the Saudis.  
Bit like us as well, and all the while the al-Sauds export/fund their brand of Wahabist hate in the rest of the World. Couldn't make it up.
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Post by MontysMerkin on Tue 23 May 2017, 10:31 am

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, where's your tin hat?
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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 23 May 2017, 10:35 am

MontysMerkin wrote:Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, where's your tin hat?
picard Constructive, as ever.
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Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

Post by beninho on Tue 23 May 2017, 10:37 am

15 of the 9/11 bombers were Saudi the rest from the UAE. Right minded people can see that the Saudis are funding a lot of the extremists in the middle east while wiping out Yemen ( with USA help)

Yet we sell them barrel bombs and call them our allies.

This world is messed up.

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Post by JAS on Tue 23 May 2017, 3:00 pm

Live & Let Die...old Roger just has :-(

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Post by MontysMerkin on Tue 23 May 2017, 3:23 pm

Roger no moore....
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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 23 May 2017, 4:25 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:Roger no moore....
Laugh
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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 23 May 2017, 4:27 pm

beninho wrote:15 of the 9/11 bombers were Saudi the rest from the UAE. Right minded people can see that the Saudis are funding a lot of the extremists in the middle east while wiping out Yemen ( with USA help)

Yet we sell them barrel bombs and call them our allies.

This world is messed up.
Ah, but think of all those $billions we make from selling destruction to those turds? Heaven forfend that it might ultimately bite us on the arse.
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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 6:15 pm

Always liked Roger Moore, self deprecating and funny. Reached a right old age so it's not a surprise.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 6:28 pm

Turns out the Manchester bomber is a carpet sniffer. Surprise surprise.

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Post by beninho on Tue 23 May 2017, 6:40 pm

Think it was a given that it was an extremist who carried out the attack when they said it was terrorism. But born and bred British. Tells you that its bloody hard for the services to keep an eye on everyone, and its got jack all to do with the refugees!

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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 6:42 pm

I don't think anyone had even considered it was or could be an immigrant.

I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen more often actually. In a pure numbers game I'd have thought more people would slip through the net.

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Post by beninho on Tue 23 May 2017, 6:53 pm

I just dont get how the bloody hell a 22 year old can be so brainwashed he thinks its ok to blow up himself and kill 22 others.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 7:15 pm

beninho wrote:I just dont get how the bloody hell a 22 year old can be so brainwashed he thinks its ok to blow up himself and kill 22 others.

Religion.

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Post by beninho on Tue 23 May 2017, 7:38 pm

Religion is to simplistic an answer. Its more then that. I have no idea. Its not im a muslim im going to kill people, like the nazis was more than wanting to rid the jews and non christians. The base is religion, but it has so many layers and bricks its just crazy.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 7:50 pm

Without the Koran giving them justification (or the bible giving justification to subjugate women, commit genocide, keep slaves, commit raape etc) then people wouldn't have the starting point for their crimes. Their holy books give them explicit instruction.

Take religion out of it, or something like religion (e.g. Stalin, Pol Pot, North Korea) then you don't have much of a basis for anything that these people do.


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Post by beninho on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:06 pm

You think that the world would be one big utopia if religion had not been founded?

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Post by pedro on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:16 pm

The fact is that religion divides and always has. Just look at this forum for instance.

And no wonder some people get effed up if you're expected to pray 5 times a day, live according to dogmatic medieval rules etc etc. in a modern western society, regardless if you're born here or not.


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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:18 pm

I didn't even infer that, but there would most likely be a lot less trouble and irrational intolerance if there wasn't organised religion.

I don't think there is such a thing as utopia, you can never create a perfect society, but the societal health is greatest in the world where religion has the least impact. That can't be ignored.

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Post by pedro on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:20 pm

beninho wrote:You think that the world would be one big utopia if religion had not been founded?  
John Lennon thinks so... and was an effing genious.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:22 pm

pedro wrote:
beninho wrote:You think that the world would be one big utopia if religion had not been founded?  
John Lennon thinks so... and was an effing genious.

One of the worst songs ever written. Grade A dirge.

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Post by pedro on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:30 pm

super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:
beninho wrote:You think that the world would be one big utopia if religion had not been founded?  
John Lennon thinks so... and was an effing genious.

One of the worst songs ever written. Grade A dirge.
Being a traditional leftist manifesto song I wonder what happended to the stance on religion.. Whistle

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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:50 pm

It's an awful awful song regardless of the meaning behind it. Sentimental old crap from a lunatic.


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Post by beninho on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:50 pm

super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:
beninho wrote:You think that the world would be one big utopia if religion had not been founded?  
John Lennon thinks so... and was an effing genious.

One of the worst songs ever written. Grade A dirge.

You try so hard to be anti populism dobt you. Bet you dont like any beatles, rolling stones, or general popukar songs?

Imagine is still a very good song, and lennon was a musical genius. Peace and love to everyone!

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Post by super_realist on Tue 23 May 2017, 8:52 pm

beninho wrote:
super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:
beninho wrote:You think that the world would be one big utopia if religion had not been founded?  
John Lennon thinks so... and was an effing genious.

One of the worst songs ever written. Grade A dirge.

You try so hard to be anti populism dobt you. Bet you dont like any beatles, rolling stones, or general popukar songs?

Imagine is still a very good song, and lennon was a musical genius. Peace and love to everyone!

I much prefer the Stones and Kinks to The Beatles. Imagine is toss. Utter drivel.

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